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A Travesty Of Justice
https://inews.co.uk/news/shamima-beg...appeal-2165334
The Special Immigration Appeals Commission dismissed Ms Begum’s appeal on all grounds, finding that there had been no fault in the Home Office’s decision to strip her of citizenship.
After the BBC woke lovely influencing documentary to bring the dear lass home ..
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life on mars
https://inews.co.uk/news/shamima-beg...appeal-2165334
The Special Immigration Appeals Commission dismissed Ms Begum’s appeal on all grounds, finding that there had been no fault in the Home Office’s decision to strip her of citizenship.
After the BBC woke lovely influencing documentary to bring the dear lass home ..
Cue the lefty wokes!
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Dorcus
Begin the Begum
The advert at the bottom of this thread was
https://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Rolex/...=Consideration
Who would pay £98,500 for a used 2017 watch?
You can't even read a text on it, have a phone conversation pay for your stuff at the shop pub?
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I'd bring her back and parade her through the streets in the same way Clarkson suggest for Megan
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I'm three and a half hours into the associated podcast (entitled "I'm Not A Monster" and the second series thereof) and can't recall the journalist concerned being sympathetic to her cause whatsoever. In fact, he did a lot of digging into her story and found inconsistencies as well as doubting some things she has related. Does he end up turning turtle at the end of the TV version or is someone talking bollocks?
By the way, the first series of "I'm Not A Monster" covers an American woman who also joined ISIS - and the very same journalist reveals how manipulative, artful and dishonest she was.
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life on mars
I'd bring her back and parade her through the streets in the same way Clarkson suggest for Megan
Yes, but in fairness you’re a deeply disturbed individual who can’t string a coherent sentence together, so yours may not be the wisest of opinions to consider.
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North Cardiff Blue
Cue the lefty wokes!
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...trafficking-uk
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life on mars
https://inews.co.uk/news/shamima-beg...appeal-2165334
The Special Immigration Appeals Commission dismissed Ms Begum’s appeal on all grounds, finding that there had been no fault in the Home Office’s decision to strip her of citizenship.
After the BBC woke lovely influencing documentary to bring the dear lass home ..
I'd swap her for you, every day of the week and twice on a sunday.
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North Cardiff Blue
Cue the lefty wokes!
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Did anyone else notice in today’s news coverage that Ms Begum had dispensed with the traditional hijab which she’d always worn in previous interviews and was wearing a baseball cap t-shirt and jeans.
Was this a vain attempt to convince the British people that she wasn’t radicalised and indeed still had “Western” fashion sense?
At least the judge didn’t see through her
Question is though who exactly is paying her legal teams bill??
Us???
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life on mars
I'd bring her back and parade her through the streets in the same way Clarkson suggest for Megan
You're trying way too hard to look like a massive twaat.
You don't really need to.
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A Quiet Monkfish
A victim of child grooming yet a matter of months later she would be able to vote in Scotland or Wales.
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Robin Friday's Ghost
A victim of child grooming yet a matter of months later she would be able to vote in Scotland or Wales.
was she a child?
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Rjk
was she a child?
She left the UK for Syria (with two school friends) when she was 15 - after being groomed online. She was a child.
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jon1959
She left the UK for Syria (with two school friends) when she was 15 - after being groomed online. She was a child.
And, had she been Welsh, she'd have been able to vote a few months later.
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Robin Friday's Ghost
And, had she been Welsh, she'd have been able to vote a few months later.
Well yes. As long as you consider time a linear concept, as presumably everyone else does, then yes. That is how it works.
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Canton Kev
Well yes. As long as you consider time a linear concept, as presumably everyone else does, then yes. That is how it works.
Good. We're all on the same page.
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Robin Friday's Ghost
Good. We're all on the same page.
I presume therefore that you don't think 16 year olds should have the vote, ergo neither should 15 year olds?
I presume (again) that's because you don't think they're mature enough for such a responsibility?
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I can't say I know the ins and ours of the law here, as it does seem curious that we can wash our hands of her - I rather like the idea of trying her here and finding out who influenced her. It is clear however that she would Garner sympathy from some - there was a human rights lawyer on five Live earlier who made her sound a bit like Nelson Mandela.
She was very young but that doesn't devolve you of any responsibility and she was older than many of the victims of Islamic State and their sick followers. As such, I won't lose any sleep over it. She appealed, she lost. Let that be a lesson to people.
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Claude Blue
I presume therefore that you don't think 16 year olds should have the vote, ergo neither should 15 year olds?
I presume (again) that's because you don't think they're mature enough for such a responsibility?
I think that someone doesn't move from a position of not appreciating that it is wrong to join a group which tortures and murders people, including her fellow countrymen, at one moment and several months later can be trusted to decide the fate of their country.
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Robin Friday's Ghost
I think that someone doesn't move from a position of not appreciating that it is wrong to join a group which tortures and murders people, including her fellow countrymen, at one moment and several months later can be trusted to decide the fate of their country.
Perhaps every prospective voter should undergo psychometric testing before entering the polling station :shrug:
Voter ID and a letter from your shrink stating that you're mature/competent/sane enough to cast your ballot.
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Not from right rag : love the hurtful comment from Labour of "deeply disappointed”
guilty of perverting the course of justice, a charge which usually results in a custodial sentence.
The verdict has ruined the 35-year-old’s career and left Jeremy Corbyn with a significant political problem, given the delicate balance of power in the House of Commons.
A Labour spokesman said the party was “deeply disappointed” in Onasanya’s behaviour and that she had been suspended from the party and should resign as an MP. She may also be struck off as a solicitor.
All up to it and arrogant
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life on mars
Not from right rag : love the hurtful comment from Labour of "deeply disappointed”
guilty of perverting the course of justice, a charge which usually results in a custodial sentence.
The verdict has ruined the 35-year-old’s career and left Jeremy Corbyn with a significant political problem, given the delicate balance of power in the House of Commons.
A Labour spokesman said the party was “deeply disappointed” in Onasanya’s behaviour and that she had been suspended from the party and should resign as an MP. She may also be struck off as a solicitor.
All up to it and arrogant
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Claude Blue
Perhaps every prospective voter should undergo psychometric testing before entering the polling station :shrug:
Voter ID and a letter from your shrink stating that you're mature/competent/sane enough to cast your ballot.
Or just wait until you're of an age where you can make those sort of decisions.
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Robin Friday's Ghost
Or just wait until you're of an age where you can make those sort of decisions.
And what age would that be?
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Claude Blue
And what age would that be?
18?
If you can't be trusted to buy a pint of Fosters in a pub or a lottery ticket in a corner shop, I'm not sure you can be trusted to decide who runs my kids schools or the hospitals my parents can be treated in.
Voting is a right people have sacrificed everything for, I'm not sure it should be given at 16 as a little more life experience is necessary, IMO. Appreciate everyone does mature at different ages though.
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JamesWales
18?
If you can't be trusted to buy a pint of Fosters in a pub or a lottery ticket in a corner shop, I'm not sure you can be trusted to decide who runs my kids schools or the hospitals my parents can be treated in.
Voting is a right people have sacrificed everything for, I'm not sure it should be given at 16 as a little more life experience is necessary, IMO. Appreciate everyone does mature at different ages though.
What age do you think someone should be allowed to fight and die for their country out of interest.
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JamesWales
18?
If you can't be trusted to buy a pint of Fosters in a pub or a lottery ticket in a corner shop, I'm not sure you can be trusted to decide who runs my kids schools or the hospitals my parents can be treated in.
Voting is a right people have sacrificed everything for, I'm not sure it should be given at 16 as a little more life experience is necessary, IMO. Appreciate everyone does mature at different ages though.
I tend to agree that 18 is the correct age to be regarded as an adult, with all the rights and responsibilities it brings.
Just clarifying until what age society should regard you as a child/young person, particularly in relation to the threads topic.
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JamesWales
18?
If you can't be trusted to buy a pint of Fosters in a pub or a lottery ticket in a corner shop, I'm not sure you can be trusted to decide who runs my kids schools or the hospitals my parents can be treated in.
Voting is a right people have sacrificed everything for, I'm not sure it should be given at 16 as a little more life experience is necessary, IMO. Appreciate everyone does mature at different ages though.
You can drive and get married at 17. You can work and pay taxes when you’re 16, have sex, leave full time education and are charged as an adult for trains and busses.
I’ve no strong opinions on the voting age but I wouldn’t say putting an X in a box requires any more maturity than driving a 1500kg lump of metal at 70mph. We already give 16 and 17 year olds the chance to make plenty of big, life changing decisions.
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Claude Blue
And what age would that be?
A bit later than you've decided that joining a group which decapitates people is a good idea
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Canton Kev
You can drive and get married at 17. You can work and pay taxes when you’re 16, have sex, leave full time education and are charged as an adult for trains and busses.
I’ve no strong opinions on the voting age but I wouldn’t say putting an X in a box requires any more maturity than driving a 1500kg lump of metal at 70mph. We already give 16 and 17 year olds the chance to make plenty of big, life changing decisions.
But people several months younger can't be expected to know that beheading people is wrong?
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Robin Friday's Ghost
A bit later than you've decided that joining a group which decapitates people is a good idea
Seems an odd argument. So Jihadi John was in his early 20s when he joined ISIS.
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Robin Friday's Ghost
But people several months younger can't be expected to know that beheading people is wrong?
I’m not sure what your point is.
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cyril evans awaydays
What age do you think someone should be allowed to fight and die for their country out of interest.
18. I don't believe you can go into active service and 'fight and die' in the British Armed Forces until 18, although you can join at 16
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Canton Kev
You can drive and get married at 17. You can work and pay taxes when you’re 16, have sex, leave full time education and are charged as an adult for trains and busses.
I’ve no strong opinions on the voting age but I wouldn’t say putting an X in a box requires any more maturity than driving a 1500kg lump of metal at 70mph. We already give 16 and 17 year olds the chance to make plenty of big, life changing decisions.
You are right of course, and I acknowledge there is no easy fit. I just think when you vote you are making a decision for the next 4-5 years and at 16 you are doing that with zero adult experience.
It's not something I feel hugely strongly about, but I think 18 is preferable to 16 in terms of voting.
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JamesWales
You are right of course, and I acknowledge there is no easy fit. I just think when you vote you are making a decision for the next 4-5 years and at 16 you are doing that with zero adult experience.
It's not something I feel hugely strongly about, but I think 18 is preferable to 16 in terms of voting.
I don't really have a strong opinion about the age at which you should be able to vote, although I think 18 is more sensible than 16. However, I do think that if you believe someone is mature enough to decide the future of your country at age 16 then claiming that they were not mature enough to know that beheading and burning people alive is wrong just months prior to this is ludicrous.
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JamesWales
You are right of course, and I acknowledge there is no easy fit. I just think when you vote you are making a decision for the next 4-5 years and at 16 you are doing that with zero adult experience.
It's not something I feel hugely strongly about, but I think 18 is preferable to 16 in terms of voting.
Looking at this thread, I'd say that the voting rights for fifty plusses should be assessed by a psychologist and, in the same way that driving licences can be taken away from over seventy years olds by GPs, a decision should be made as to whether the person is sane enough to retain their right to vote - one contributor to this thread in particular really seems to have lost it in recent weeks.
Also, I'd have no problem with votes for sixteen year olds.
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so this was a 15 year old child, born in this country, who was groomed online and then ran away abroad, where she was immediately "married" to a much older man she had met for a total of 10 minutes before she was "married". she cot pregnant almost immediately, so you can add statutory rape to that too.
it honestly sounds like she's the victim in all this. yes she's joined a terrorist organisation, so let her face the appropriate justice for that here.
does anyone genuinely think that she represents a threat to the UK any more? it seems to me that she's being made an example of to appease the tabloid reading section of the population.
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the other bob wilson
Looking at this thread, I'd say that the voting rights for fifty plusses should be assessed by a psychologist and, in the same way that driving licences can be taken away from over seventy years olds by GPs, a decision should be made as to whether the person is sane enough to retain their right to vote - one contributor to this thread in particular really seems to have lost it in recent weeks.
Also, I'd have no problem with votes for sixteen year olds.
I think in the case of the Brexit referendum in particular, 16 year olds should have been able to vote because their generation is the one which is most affected by the decision and for the longest.