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Suella Braverman saying "lefties" in Parliament this week is one of the cringiest things that I have ever witnessed.
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Jordi Culé
is that the same grundian that had us all clutching our pearl necklaces because they reported david attenbrough had been cancelled
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Tito Fuente
Suella Braverman saying "lefties" in Parliament this week is one of the cringiest things that I have ever witnessed.
And yet , anybody with an opinion which differs from the narrative is called right wing by posters like you which is the cringiest about this board.
Let’s hope you cherish free speech and don’t ask Mike to remove the post :hehe:
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TWGL1
And yet , anybody with an opinion which differs from the narrative is called right wing by posters like you which is the cringiest about this board.
Let’s hope you cherish free speech and don’t ask Mike to remove the post :hehe:
The narrative? You are aware we have a massively right wing government and the majority of newspapers in this country are also massively right wing?
Yet you act like the victim constantly.
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+ the native hipster
is that the same grundian that had us all clutching our pearl necklaces because they reported david attenbrough had been cancelled
The problem is that the events of the last few days have shown that the scenario was/is entirely believable under the current management of the BBC. Rather than you playing the sort of party political games on here that you accuse those on the left of doing, an acknowledgment that political interference from Governments of the right or left shouldn't be allowed when it comes to appointments of Director Generals, Chairmen/women etc. at the BBC and that it should be down to the same sort of independent person/body which is supposed to be conducting the inquiry into impartiality wouldn't go amiss..
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Doucas
The narrative? You are aware we have a massively right wing government and the majority of newspapers in this country are also massively right wing?
Yet you act like the victim constantly.
A victim because of a football message board..,..that’s a new one I’ll give you that :hehe:
You are taking things far too seriously.
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TWGL1
A victim because of a football message board..,..that’s a new one I’ll give you that :hehe:
You are taking things far too seriously.
Says the child that gets so wound up on a football message board that he calls other posters a c*nt during his little tantrums :cry: :hehe:
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You were on a wind up during your passive aggressive rants and I fell for it rather than ignoring for which I apologised. That’s your style and why I usually ignore you.
As long as your wind ups are what you would say face to face then there is no problem is there.
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TWGL1
You were on a wind up during your passive aggressive rants and I fell for it rather than ignoring for which I apologised. That’s your style and why I usually ignore you.
As long as your wind ups are what you would say face to face then there is no problem is there.
There he goes again.
Calm down mate. It's just a football messageboard, remember? :biggrin:
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Doucas
The narrative? You are aware we have a massively right wing government and the majority of newspapers in this country are also massively right wing?
Yet you act like the victim constantly.
Both of those things are incorrect.
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Jordi Culé
The BBC absolutely should not bow down to political pressure, we all agree on that. I'm not sure this is quite what the guardian thinks it is though. Govts will always put pressure on the media in terms of language. If it wasn't called a lockdown, then when it's a public health message is it right to call it such? I dunno.
The second point appears more damning but it is pretty routine for media editors etc to suggest more focus on different things, the question is how much that was steered by downing st. A good BBC wouldnt need advising that Labour were changing their position daily anyway.
The last point appears to be nonsense but every guardian has to get a dig about Brexit in to drive up advertising revenue by enraging a few people.
It's a useful article in the wider debate about BBC impartiality but I'm not sure it's killer evidence.
My issue is more the editorial decisions and news values on what they report on. I don't think there is a party political bias and we can see that with BBC Wales that does a decent job of holding the (Labour) Welsh Govt to account
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JamesWales
Both of those things are incorrect.
You're completely delusional.
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JamesWales
The BBC absolutely should not bow down to political pressure, we all agree on that. I'm not sure this is quite what the guardian thinks it is though. Govts will always put pressure on the media in terms of language. If it wasn't called a lockdown, then when it's a public health message is it right to call it such? I dunno.
The second point appears more damning but it is pretty routine for media editors etc to suggest more focus on different things, the question is how much that was steered by downing st. A good BBC wouldnt need advising that Labour were changing their position daily anyway.
The last point appears to be nonsense but every guardian has to get a dig about Brexit in to drive up advertising revenue.
It's a useful article in the wider debate about BBC impartiality but I'm not sure it's killer evidence.
My issue is more the editorial decisions and news values on what they report on. I don't think there is a party political bias and we can see that with BBC Wales that does a decent job of holding the (Labour) Welsh Govt to account
"it is pretty routine for media editors etc to suggest more focus on different things".
That part is correct but media editors don't have to remain impartial at other news outlets/broadcasters.
The message read:
"D St complaining that we’re not reflecting Labour’s mess of plan b online. ie Ashworth said it earlier this week, then reversed. Can we turn up the scepticism a bit on this?”
'Downing Street' complained about a lack of focus of negativity on Labour from the BBC so a senior editor kowtowed to them and told his staff to be more critical.
For what it's worth, I've always felt that the BBC were pretty balanced in terms of news coverage.
The left & right equally complain that it's biased - which, on the balance of probability, shows that they generally do a good job - but how much more damning testimony do you personally need to see that this incarnation of the BBC is in cahoots with the Tory government?
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TWGL1
And yet , anybody with an opinion which differs from the narrative is called right wing by posters like you which is the cringiest about this board.
Let’s hope you cherish free speech and don’t ask Mike to remove the post :hehe:
It makes sense since he is the alter ego of Blippy Evans, allegedly.
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Tito Fuente
There he goes again.
Calm down mate. It's just a football messageboard, remember? :biggrin:
For once I agree with you Cyril :thumbup:
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Doucas
You're completely delusional.
No I just don't like hyperbole. Notwithstanding the fact that accurately defining left and right is very tricky, how do we have a 'massively' right-wing government? We don't. Some policies may be considered right-wing, some left-wing. That's probably the case for every government in the world dealing with practical problems.
And whilst by a slim margin the majority of newspapers (only one sector of the media if course and a declining one at that) are centre-right or right- wing, that doesn't mean a majority are 'massively right&wing' at all.
The debate just spirals out of the realms of reality when people exaggerate these things.
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Wales-Bales
For once I agree with you Cyril :thumbup:
It's Mr Awaydays to you.
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TWGL1
You were on a wind up during your passive aggressive rants and I fell for it rather than ignoring for which I apologised. That’s your style and why I usually ignore you.
As long as your wind ups are what you would say face to face then there is no problem is there.
The obsessive trait he shares with Blippy is a dead giveaway.
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Wales-Bales
The obsessive trait he shares with Blippy is a dead giveaway.
Coming from a poster who mentions "Cyril and Lardy" 50x per day, I guess you know what an obsessive trait is first hand.
Thanks Wales Bales, you made me giggle :hehe:
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Tito Fuente
Coming from a poster who mentions "Cyril and Lardy" 50x per day, I guess you know what an obsessive trait is first hand.
Thanks Wales Bales, you made me giggle :hehe:
Hey Blippy, it's Lardy & Cyril™ :thumbup:
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JamesWales
The BBC absolutely should not bow down to political pressure, we all agree on that. I'm not sure this is quite what the guardian thinks it is though. Govts will always put pressure on the media in terms of language. If it wasn't called a lockdown, then when it's a public health message is it right to call it such? I dunno.
The second point appears more damning but it is pretty routine for media editors etc to suggest more focus on different things, the question is how much that was steered by downing st. A good BBC wouldnt need advising that Labour were changing their position daily anyway.
The last point appears to be nonsense but every guardian has to get a dig about Brexit in to drive up advertising revenue by enraging a few people.
It's a useful article in the wider debate about BBC impartiality but I'm not sure it's killer evidence.
My issue is more the editorial decisions and news values on what they report on. I don't think there is a party political bias and we can see that with BBC Wales that does a decent job of holding the (Labour) Welsh Govt to account
I threw the article in primarily for consideration and discussion.
I don't see the Beeb being a government propaganda source by any stretch...
I think it's interesting that a government may comment, suggest or advice on vocabulary, content and specific parts of a political item to make itself look better or mask the story and issue?
I know it's today's politics but what sort of governments or controlling parties historically have attempted to influence, direct and contain press/media output?
These days granted it seems the norm in a number of countries?
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JamesWales
Both of those things are incorrect.
oh come on. The biggest selling dailies are right wing. This government is right wing, you'd only think otherwise if you believe the orphan crushing machine is necessary.
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JamesWales
No I just don't like hyperbole. Notwithstanding the fact that accurately defining left and right is very tricky, how do we have a 'massively' right-wing government? We don't. Some policies may be considered right-wing, some left-wing. That's probably the case for every government in the world dealing with practical problems.
And whilst by a slim margin the majority of newspapers (only one sector of the media if course and a declining one at that) are centre-right or right- wing, that doesn't mean a majority are 'massively right&wing' at all.
The debate just spirals out of the realms of reality when people exaggerate these things.
Can you let us have a list of this Government’s left wing policies (not including Covid “hand outs”) please.
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the other bob wilson
Can you let us have a list of this Government’s left wing policies (not including Covid “hand outs”) please.
Sure! I don’t see all of these as necessarily left wing btw, as the right would claim moral ownership over many of these, but unquestionably they are topics that people on the left would typically reference and rightly support. So, excluding the greatest universal support package in the history of the country (related to Covid) off the top of my head, I would note the following:
Record investment in the universal healthcare NHS
Record rises in the minimum wage
Equalising immigration laws, rising to record high immigration levels
Enormous is increase in renewable energy production and reduction in fossil fuel use
Support for Ukraine against Russian invasion
Marriage equality
Ensuring the result of a referendum was enacted
Raising the top rate of tax
Lowering the threshold for the top rare of tax
Producing the first non-white prime minister in history
Providing direct support for refugees from Hong Kong, Afghanistan and Ukraine
Energy support scheme knocking £60 a month off everyones bills.
Increasing corporation tax.
There are counter examples of course, and people can question whether all of these have worked, but my point isn’t that the government are left-wing, it’s that they are not ‘massively right wing’, as was claimed earlier.
Is there really that much to distinguish them from Blairs New Labour?
Either way, whether it's posters here or TV pundits, I just don't see the benefit in using exaggerated language really
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Tito Fuente
"it is pretty routine for media editors etc to suggest more focus on different things".
That part is correct but media editors don't have to remain impartial at other news outlets/broadcasters.
The message read:
"D St complaining that we’re not reflecting Labour’s mess of plan b online. ie Ashworth said it earlier this week, then reversed. Can we turn up the scepticism a bit on this?”
'Downing Street' complained about a lack of focus of negativity on Labour from the BBC so a senior editor kowtowed to them and told his staff to be more critical.
For what it's worth, I've always felt that the BBC were pretty balanced in terms of news coverage.
The left & right equally complain that it's biased - which, on the balance of probability, shows that they generally do a good job - but how much more damning testimony do you personally need to see that this incarnation of the BBC is in cahoots with the Tory government?
You've replied to everyone except me, James.
Give a brother some love and let me know what your opinion is on this.
I'm feeling a bit left out here.
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Tito Fuente
You've replied to everyone except me, James.
Give a brother some love and let me know what your opinion is on this.
I'm feeling a bit left out here.
Sorry buddy.
Well, I agree with you on party political bias. I do think the BBC is generally impartial on that, which isn't easy but they do okay. They naturally challenge the Tories more (as the govt) but again I think they challenge Labour more in Wales so that seems reasonable
On its own I don't think it's that damning without wider context. What did the rest of the email say? Did the Tories bombard them with thousands of emails but the BBC only enacted one? Would they have reported on Labours change of policies more?
I agree it doesn't look great, but context does matter.
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I had a contract advising BBC journalists in the 2000s before I moved to the US. Based on knowing many producers, editors and journalists of that time, I'd say a majority of them were liberal progressives in outlook. I don't know whether some on here want to translate that as "lefties". Personally, I don't think it is.
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JamesWales
Sorry buddy.
Well, I agree with you on party political bias. I do think the BBC is generally impartial on that, which isn't easy but they do okay. They naturally challenge the Tories more (as the govt) but again I think they challenge Labour more in Wales so that seems reasonable
On its own I don't think it's that damning without wider context. What did the rest of the email say? Did the Tories bombard them with thousands of emails but the BBC only enacted one? Would they have reported on Labours change of policies more?
I agree it doesn't look great, but context does matter.
What context do you think would improve the fact that a senior editor (at the official public broadcaster for the nation) told staff to report more negatively on the Labour party at the behest of the Tory government?
I'm all for balance when it comes to the BBC and I have always defended them in conversation when they are being called right or left wing - but this is an example of damning evidence that they are favouring one party over another.
This is a deep cut for Richard Sharp. His death by a thousand of them must be close now when you factor all of the other controversies.
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JamesWales
Sure! I don’t see all of these as necessarily left wing btw, as the right would claim moral ownership over many of these, but unquestionably they are topics that people on the left would typically reference and rightly support. So, excluding the greatest universal support package in the history of the country (related to Covid) off the top of my head, I would note the following:
Record investment in the universal healthcare NHS
Record rises in the minimum wage
Equalising immigration laws, rising to record high immigration levels
Enormous is increase in renewable energy production and reduction in fossil fuel use
Support for Ukraine against Russian invasion
Marriage equality
Ensuring the result of a referendum was enacted
Raising the top rate of tax
Lowering the threshold for the top rare of tax
Producing the first non-white prime minister in history
Providing direct support for refugees from Hong Kong, Afghanistan and Ukraine
Energy support scheme knocking £60 a month off everyones bills.
Increasing corporation tax.
There are counter examples of course, and people can question whether all of these have worked, but my point isn’t that the government are left-wing, it’s that they are not ‘massively right wing’, as was claimed earlier.
Is there really that much to distinguish them from Blairs New Labour?
Either way, whether it's posters here or TV pundits, I just don't see the benefit in using exaggerated language really
Glad you said you didn’t necessarily see them as left wing.
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JamesWales
Sure! I don’t see all of these as necessarily left wing btw, as the right would claim moral ownership over many of these, but unquestionably they are topics that people on the left would typically reference and rightly support. So, excluding the greatest universal support package in the history of the country (related to Covid) off the top of my head, I would note the following:
Record investment in the universal healthcare NHS
Record rises in the minimum wage
Equalising immigration laws, rising to record high immigration levels
Enormous is increase in renewable energy production and reduction in fossil fuel use
Support for Ukraine against Russian invasion
Marriage equality
Ensuring the result of a referendum was enacted
Raising the top rate of tax
Lowering the threshold for the top rare of tax
Producing the first non-white prime minister in history
Providing direct support for refugees from Hong Kong, Afghanistan and Ukraine
Energy support scheme knocking £60 a month off everyones bills.
Increasing corporation tax.
There are counter examples of course, and people can question whether all of these have worked, but my point isn’t that the government are left-wing, it’s that they are not ‘massively right wing’, as was claimed earlier.
Is there really that much to distinguish them from Blairs New Labour?
Either way, whether it's posters here or TV pundits, I just don't see the benefit in using exaggerated language really
You can't claim record levels when it's just a result of inflation.
Corporation tax you're wrong - https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...orate-tax-rate
According to political scientists they are extreme right - https://www.ft.com/content/d5f1d564-...d-9c6c7759f2b8
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the other bob wilson
The problem is that the events of the last few days have shown that the scenario was/is entirely believable under the current management of the BBC. Rather than you playing the sort of party political games on here that you accuse those on the left of doing, an acknowledgment that political interference from Governments of the right or left shouldn't be allowed when it comes to appointments of Director Generals, Chairmen/women etc. at the BBC and that it should be down to the same sort of independent person/body which is supposed to be conducting the inquiry into impartiality wouldn't go amiss..
except it simply wasn't true, but every grundian reader believed it was, so they/ you believed what you wanted to believe , show me one bbc program with a right wing bias, show me one news item on the bbc web page with a right wing bias, in inquiry into impartiality wouldn't go amiss
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+ the native hipster
except it simply wasn't true, but every grundian reader believed it was, so they/ you believed what you wanted to believe , show me one bbc program with a right wing bias, show me one news item on the bbc web page with a right wing bias, in inquiry into impartiality wouldn't go amiss
Being the Guardian, you’ll say it doesn’t count, but I’d say this shows that BBC news programmes can have a right wing bias. All Governments would try to influence how the BBC reports a story I’m sure, but, until about ten days ago, I believed the BBC was independent enough to, effectively, tell them to piss off, but it seems the current management at the Corporation are happy enough to do this Government’s bidding.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...rt-of-pandemic
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the other bob wilson
Being the Guardian, you’ll say it doesn’t count, but I’d say this shows that BBC news programmes can have a right wing bias. All Governments would try to influence how the BBC reports a story I’m sure, but, until about ten days ago, I believed the BBC was independent enough to, effectively, tell them to piss off, but it seems the current management at the Corporation are happy enough to do this Government’s bidding.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...rt-of-pandemic
i didn't remember any labour mp's saying don't call it a lock down at the time, if there was a change of government you would be happy to see them do their bidding? let the bbc declare its political leaning and stand on it's own two feet scrap the licence tax
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+ the native hipster
i didn't remember any labour mp's saying don't call it a lock down at the time, if there was a change of government you would be happy to see them do their bidding? let the bbc declare its political leaning and stand on it's own two feet scrap the licence tax
You only have to read my message at 7,03 two days ago for proof that what you’re saying is rubbish - the BBC should be independent of Government interference from the right or left. I thought that, broadly speaking, it was until the last ten days or so, but the Lineker episode proved me wrong and that story proves it was going on long before that.
Good to see you finish off with the sort of cheap slogan that the right seem to have cornered the market in.
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the other bob wilson
You only have to read my message at 7,03 two days ago for proof that what you’re saying is rubbish - the BBC should be independent of Government interference from the right or left. I thought that, broadly speaking, it was until the last ten days or so, but the Lineker episode proved me wrong and that story proves it was going on long before that.
Good to see you finish off with the sort of cheap slogan that the right seem to have cornered the market in.
The BBC had the world's best investigative journalist, yet so many low-down staff knew of the late Jimmy Saville’s activities," but strangely, the "trustworthy" Beeb bosses all state that they had "no idea”
Saville was “into all sorts of seediness. We all know about it, but we’re not allowed to talk about it... I did my bit, I said what I had to, but they didn’t air that. I found myself banned from BBC Radio for quite a while"...Johnny Rotten
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TWGL1
The BBC had the world's best investigative journalist, yet so many low-down staff knew of the late Jimmy Saville’s activities," but strangely, the "trustworthy" Beeb bosses all state that they had "no idea”
Saville was “into all sorts of seediness. We all know about it, but we’re not allowed to talk about it... I did my bit, I said what I had to, but they didn’t air that. I found myself banned from BBC Radio for quite a while"...Johnny Rotten
So, is that you agreeing with me or arguing against me? If it's the latter, I've got two posters on here disagreeing with me after I've stated twice categorically, that the BBC should be free of political interference from parties of both the right and left - are you both saying that output should reflect the policies of the Government of the day?
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the other bob wilson
So, is that you agreeing with me or arguing against me? If it's the latter, I've got two posters on here disagreeing with me after I've stated twice categorically, that the BBC should be free of political interference from parties of both the right and left - are you both saying that output should reflect the policies of the Government of the day?
I’m in agreement with you , but it’s clear “auntie” is so reliant on the licence fee and terrified of the module being reformed that it’s bound to “sway” towards the Government, you only have to see how the organisation behaved during the last three years with its reporting on current affairs at the time.
In conclusion, you only have to research as to who has been funding the BBC privately to see why it’s not impartial.
On a totally unrelated issue , the BBC’s propaganda with TV detector vans was nothing more than a hoax to put fear into the public regarding the fee. How many millions was wasted on those things :hehe:
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TWGL1
I’m in agreement with you , but it’s clear “auntie” is so reliant on the licence fee and terrified of the module being reformed that it’s bound to “sway” towards the Government, you only have to see how the organisation behaved during the last three years with its reporting on current affairs at the time.
In conclusion, you only have to research as to who has been funding the BBC privately to see why it’s not impartial.
On a totally unrelated issue , the BBC’s propaganda with TV detector vans was nothing more than a hoax to put fear into the public regarding the fee. How many millions was wasted on those things :hehe:
That's a very unambiguous statement in the last paragraph. I have read as much evidence that they operated as stated as I have seen skepticism.
You couldn't show the proof could you (struggling to decide whether to end that sentence with a question mark or an exclamation mark).
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TWGL1
I’m in agreement with you , but it’s clear “auntie” is so reliant on the licence fee and terrified of the module being reformed that it’s bound to “sway” towards the Government, you only have to see how the organisation behaved during the last three years with its reporting on current affairs at the time.
In conclusion, you only have to research as to who has been funding the BBC privately to see why it’s not impartial.
On a totally unrelated issue , the BBC’s propaganda with TV detector vans was nothing more than a hoax to put fear into the public regarding the fee. How many millions was wasted on those things :hehe:
I'd say it's clear that the government is exploiting that fear to impose itself on the BBC.