There are a few members of here, I think. FYI, this kind of thing makes me want to vote for them less. Gutter politics this is and not needed at all
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65211469
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There are a few members of here, I think. FYI, this kind of thing makes me want to vote for them less. Gutter politics this is and not needed at all
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65211469
If John McDonnell and John Nicholson criticize an ad attacking the Tories, surely the Labour hierarchy can see that they have got this badly wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I don't read a lot of the news, mainly because it's all sensationalised bollocks and crap like this.
I've voted once in my life, for labour.
I won't vote for anyone again in a hurry, this kind of stuff is pathetic. Same as across the pond.
Awful stuff. Looks like some bits of the campaign team have been watching too many US attack ads. Got the backlash it deserves.
Though the idea that something got you wavering on your voting intentions did make me chuckle.
It's pathetic and has been rightly criticised from all sides.
We don't want to see this ugly nonsense brought into UK politics. Labour should be ashamed and should immediately recant.
Labour have seemed determined to hand back their poll lead in recent weeks, the genius who came up with that ad should be fired - Starmer’s playing God far too much for my liking as well.
I hate this advert and I'm disgusted with what's become of Labour, it's extremely unlikely they'll get my vote.
The Labour Party shooting themselves in the foot yet again
They are completely incompetent and always have been
Starmer is indeed seemingly determined to blow a huge lead
I squirmed at the labour party representative on the BBC today failing to condemn the ad which will just turn off floating voters
I would like to see the labour and liberal parties merge to form a left of centre alternative to the Tories
I think both are finished and have too much history to regularly defeat the conservatives
Get rid of starmerQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
A bizarre gardening accident
Anything
Hoe, hoe, hoe.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I’m no fan of this type of thing but some would argue it’s more accurate than Bojos Jimmy saville comments in parliament.
Maybe don’t hate the game but hate those who set the bar of the rules
WittyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Oh indeed the Tories have lots of form for this sort of sewer politicsQuote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
But labour have got to be above this
It wax embarrassing seeing Lucy Powell on the TV today
If it's true, what's the problem?
I don’t like it but don’t really know if they can avoid it entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
When you’ve got this particular group who will lie their way out of anything. They’re gearing up to fight the next election saying that labour have an open door immigration policy and that they don’t know whether someone with a penis is a man. Neither of which are true but give them this sort of sloganeering rubbish. And it sticks with the average person who isn’t interested in politics and gets their news from Facebook
I don’t like it as I said, but the sort of thing thrown at labour towards an election will get worse and they’ll need to counter it somehow.
Although James will say he’s offering balance here, to jump on this as ‘gutter politics’ after defending the indefensible continuously raises an eyebrow to say the least
Starmer and Rayner's decision to resign if they were charged over the Beergate was exactly the right one in the face of the campaign against them by the Daily Mail in particular and the right wing press in general. It also contrasted nicely with Johnson's attitude towards his fine for being held to have broken his own rules. Labour put themselves on the high moral ground there, this puts them down in the sewer with the Tories - as John McDonnell said, Labour should be better than that.
The attack ad is crass, totally hypocritical and an embarrassment.
The attempts to defend it are painful.
Massive and stupid own goal.
Starmer needs to crush it now and do it publiclyQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
The ad doesn't bother me, zero sympathy for anybody with a light touch to perverts, the delivery of the ad isn't well managed, Labour are slowly but positively delivering a massive poll lead into another 4 years of opposition, it was in the bag, they did not have to go down this path and could have just left Rishi & Co continue to destroy themselves.
How could labour and the libs merge? And it would be a right wing party, as is Labour and the libs right now. Left of Centre, behave yourself, Labour aren't even that at the moment. As for the thing on Sunak, absolutely disgusting stuff, Labour attempting Populism, in the ****ing gutter.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The fall out continues following the idiotic and offensive ad.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-ad-in-advance
Left of centre is what will get rid of the ToriesQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Corbyn left will leave the Tories in power for eternity
Bollocks to that
Absolute clowns the Labour partyQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Who sanctioned this stupid and damaging ad ?
Starmer defends the ad in today's Daily Mail - more of them to come apparently.
There was a choice of retract or double down.
Double down it is.
Despite the luke warm attempt by Yvette Cooper and a few others to distance themselves from the ads, most of the Shadow Cabinet have been happily re-tweeting them.
Pathetic!
I agree, but I’ve noticed it’s mainly lefties on here who are disgusted by it, I find it depressing, but could it be that the ad is having no impact, or even a positive one, on the majority of voters?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Apparently, the coming adverts are going to blame Sunak for the economy and tax rises. To me, that’s not as bad as this one - Sunak wasn’t even an MP for the first five years Labour are blaming him for.
The problem Starmer has now is that if you live by the sword you die by it.
Not sure sword is the right term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
More like if you live by the shit shovel you die by it.
Starmer has released his inner BoJo.
It was only a year ago Starmer was complaining that the Tories under Johnson (the Savile slander etc) were dragging UK politics into the gutter. This was followed by the Organ Morgan mob repeating the Savile slur on their tiny demonstrations.
The most depressing part of this episode is (as TOBW suggested) it will probably work. Trumpism on steroids.
More than anything I just don't think Labour need to stoop to this level. At least 15% up in the polls, it isn't necessary.
I do appreciate that generally speaking the Tories are seen (rightly or wrongly) as tougher on crime, but this isn't the way for Labour to demonstrate their capabilities and I don't think people believe them.
My initial response was 'you bastards, poor Rishi'. Which is ridiculous because he is the PM and its valid to criticize him but it needs to be fair or else you just build sympathy for the person being attacked and it feels all a bit like bullying. It felt like an unfair personal attack that I didn't believe in any case. Maybe this stuff would work on Boris Johnson but I don't think it does here.
Lucy Powell , Yvette Cooper , Raynor , Starmer , Emily Thornberry
Get rid of them , all absolutely wet and incompetent
Starmer is a shithouse
He had the opportunity today to Bury this mistake
But he and thornberry are defending it
I give up with him , he's hopeless
Interesting poll which shows a negative reaction to Labour’s ad, yet their lead has gone up three points this week.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...unak-attack-ad
The hypocrisy is bewildering Sir Keir /Bier and other lambasted BorIs for his know antics / jibes ,especially around the Saville /Sir Keir involvement , all they have done is copy from that playbook to suggest the same of the current PM ??Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
My gut feeling this is a test to see if they can win big in the council elections with these tactics , if it backfires they will step back for the media campaign for the General Election , looks like Yvette Cooper's lukewarm response is going to be end of her and Wes of the Street is hovering .
If this backfires Sir Kier is toast and in comes Corbyn and the old gang , bit like a reunion tour for the elderly wonder if they will have a greatest hits released .
Labour has always had at is core a nasty brigade,we just dont get to see em until the attack dogs are unleashed .
Shalom.
Sad ,very sad .
A thread that gives you the chance to have a go at Labour and you completely missed it first time around - you need to up your game.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars