Message from Trust about embargo

Trust Chair Reports on Transfer Embargo and Cardiff City Football Club Legal Cases


There has been a lot of discussion between fans over several months regarding the above topics so this report to members is by way of update on the current position.

Transfer Embargo

I have been in correspondence with both the English Football League (EFL) and senior management of CCFC to seek clarification on this.

The EFL, through their Director of Communications Mark Rowan has stated in writing that CCFC is "not subject to a registration embargo".

After raising this with CCFC officials they have stated that they do not agree with this statement as they have received different information from the EFL and will be raising the matter with the EFL.

I have asked the club to revert to me as soon as they have received a response from the EFL and they have promised to do so.



Legal Cases

Subsequent to the Court of Arbitration For Sport (CAS) ruling against the club in August last year regarding the Emiliano Sala case, the club have reported that they will pursuing the matter further through the Swiss Federal Tribunal (SFT), which is the Supreme Court, within whose jurisdiction CAS falls.

The club has informed me within the last few days that this matter is ongoing and they are currently awaiting a final decision from the SFT, all relevant paperwork having been submitted some time ago.

The club has also confirmed that their case against the club`s insurers/brokers continues to be pursued.



Keith Morgan,

It baffles me how there can be any ambiguity about something like this.

EFL: “Cardiff City are not under a transfer embargo.”

Cardiff City: “Yes we are.”

Brilliant.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

EFL: “Cardiff City are not under a transfer embargo.”

Cardiff City: “Yes we are.”

Brilliant.

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That’s how I read it.......sheeesh!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

EFL: “Cardiff City are not under a transfer embargo.”

Cardiff City: “Yes we are.”

Brilliant.

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Madness.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

EFL: “Cardiff City are not under a transfer embargo.”

Cardiff City: “Yes we are.”

Brilliant.

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It's an interesting approach to shifting season tickets for next season ill give them that!

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

EFL: “Cardiff City are not under a transfer embargo.”

Cardiff City: “Yes we are.”

Brilliant.

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like the reverse haggling scene in the life of Brian

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Originally Posted by Rjk

like the reverse haggling scene in the life of Brian

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We're probably only days away from Tan threatening the EFL with legal action unless they put City under an embargo.

Is the EFL being pedantic? The rule that's being applied to us technically isn't an embargo I think. If that's the case though then the club could have pointed that out in their response.
Why can neither of them be clear on what the situation is?

Is a registration embargo different to a transfer embargo?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Is a registration embargo different to a transfer embargo?

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we can register players can't we, Free's and Loans

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

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We're probably only days away from Tan threatening the EFL with legal action unless they put City under an embargo.

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god willing we will have our embargo

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Originally Posted by blue matt

we can register players can't we, Free's and Loans

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yep, we just can't pay a fee for them.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

yep, we just can't pay a fee for them.

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But the quote above refers to a registration embargo. And we know we can register players. The issue is paying fees for players? So perhaps the EFL guy is correct and the club are also correct they are just talking about different things?

Anyway be good if they spoke to each other to clarify!

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Originally Posted by blue matt

we can register players can't we, Free's and Loans

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That's how I read it.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Is a registration embargo different to a transfer embargo?

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That’s what jumped out ar me when I read it. The question “are we under an embargo” should be able to be answered with a straightforward yes or no, but if there are different types of embargo, then it becomes more complicated - the qualification of the EFL’s answer to the question implies that we are not under a certain type of embargo, but may be under a different type of one. This would tie in with what’s been reported, but the EFL could have stopped all of this speculation by going on to explain what type of embargo we are under - assuming that we are under one.

Of course, all we can do is speculate because the Trust’s message leaves things still hanging in the air, but, from the info we have so far, they’re not to blame for that and I don’t think the club are - the EFL have been presented with an opportunity to fully explain the position and have failed to do so. Let’s not forget either that we’re, presumably, not under any sort of embargo according to their website because we’re not on their list of clubs who are.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

EFL: “Cardiff City are not under a transfer embargo.”

Cardiff City: “Yes we are.”

Brilliant.

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The EFL quote refers to registering players not transfers though - so we can sign free agents, loans. Unless the Trust have got things wrong, it's odd that EFL wouldn't use unambiguous language like "Cardiff are not under a transfer embargo".

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Originally Posted by logic

… wouldn't use unambiguous language…

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Possibly the best double negative ever. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Jamsarnie

Possibly the best double negative ever. :hehe:

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Always been positive :hehe:

Does anyone at the club have a Scooby about anything?

Is there anyone even there day to day?

All the trust had to do to clear this up is to ask the simple question to the EFL - can Cardiff City sign players on loans, frees and by paying transfer fees or not. They obviously didn't or the EFL chose not to answer. Still, who cares ? Its always good to have a good old round of club bashing, just for a laugh.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

All the trust had to do to clear this up is to ask the simple question to the EFL - can Cardiff City sign players on loans, frees and by paying transfer fees or not. They obviously didn't or the EFL chose not to answer. Still, who cares ? Its always good to have a good old round of club bashing, just for a laugh.

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I asked Keith about this issue at the Trust Office before the Stoke game. He showed me the confusingly worded email from the EFL. He also showed me his subsequent email to the EFL asking what exactly their response meant and the EFL's further response that the matter was confidential and advising him to take it up with the club which is what he did.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

All the trust had to do to clear this up is to ask the simple question to the EFL - can Cardiff City sign players on loans, frees and by paying transfer fees or not. They obviously didn't or the EFL chose not to answer. Still, who cares ? Its always good to have a good old round of club bashing, just for a laugh.

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You’d rather bash a supporters’ group who are trying to get clarity on the situation than the club’s officials, who have told us absolutely nothing. Kind of sums you up. Mug punter.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

All the trust had to do to clear this up is to ask the simple question to the EFL - can Cardiff City sign players on loans, frees and by paying transfer fees or not. They obviously didn't or the EFL chose not to answer. Still, who cares ? Its always good to have a good old round of club bashing, just for a laugh.

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Ff sake this is an utter shambles

We really do deserve to be relegated it's a pathetic operation on and off the pitch

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You’d rather bash a supporters’ group who are trying to get clarity on the situation than the club’s officials, who have told us absolutely nothing. Kind of sums you up. Mug punter.

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From the post above yours.

"I asked Keith about this issue at the Trust Office before the Stoke game. He showed me the confusingly worded email from the EFL. He also showed me his subsequent email to the EFL asking what exactly their response meant and the EFL's further response that the matter was confidential and advising him to take it up with the club which is what he did. "

Somehow it's all the fault of the club though.

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Originally Posted by Trigger

Does anyone at the club have a Scooby about anything?

Is there anyone even there day to day?

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It really is like we've got one person who works 1 day a week, and never catches up on their emails. We've probably got a court case we don't even know about currently underway.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort

I asked Keith about this issue at the Trust Office before the Stoke game. He showed me the confusingly worded email from the EFL. He also showed me his subsequent email to the EFL asking what exactly their response meant and the EFL's further response that the matter was confidential and advising him to take it up with the club which is what he did.

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Perhaps Keith should ask why our embargo is confidential when embargoes are normally put on their website.

What have the EFL got to hide?

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Perhaps Keith should ask why our embargo is confidential when embargoes are normally put on their website.

What have the EFL got to hide?

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The EFL made it very clear (in writing) that they were not willing to provide any further explanations and basically said "ask your club" which I did .

Keith

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Originally Posted by logic

Somehow it's all the fault of the club though.

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Logic would indicate that a failure by Cardiff City Football Club to inform its supporters of its position in relation to the alleged embargo is indeed the fault of the club.

Logic would also indicate that if the club is under an EFL transfer embargo of any sort, it will indeed be the fault of the club for breaking EFL rules.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Logic would indicate that a failure by Cardiff City Football Club to inform its supporters of its position in relation to the alleged embargo is indeed the fault of the club.

Logic would also indicate that if the club is under an EFL transfer embargo of any sort, it will indeed be the fault of the club for breaking EFL rules.

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I assume Keith's posts aren't relevant to you then?

Unless you're claiming he's lying, seems EFL are being very evasive.

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Originally Posted by logic

I assume Keith's posts aren't relevant to you then?

Unless you're claiming he's lying, seems EFL are being very evasive.

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I know Keith well, he's a friend of mine. He's not lying.

The EFL's alleged evasiveness doesn't change anything I've said. The club could and should have informed its supporters of its position long ago. Do you disagree with that idea?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I know Keith well, he's a friend of mine. He's not lying.

The EFL's alleged evasiveness doesn't change anything I've said. The club could and should have informed its supporters of its position long ago. Do you disagree with that idea?

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I don't disagree no.

Would you disagree with the notion that EFL's clear ambiguous language and evasiveness could also be towards the club as well as the Trust?

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Originally Posted by logic

Would you disagree with the notion that EFL's clear ambiguous language and evasiveness could also be towards the club as well as the Trust?

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I believe the club will know exactly what its position is.

The fact of the matter is that Cardiff City have not been listed on the EFL's website as being under an embargo on any occasion I've checked it in recent months. I think a statement from the club on the matter is very long overdue.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I believe the club will know exactly what its position is.

The fact of the matter is that Cardiff City have not been listed on the EFL's website as being under an embargo on any occasion I've checked it in recent months. I think a statement from the club on the matter is very long overdue.

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I agree a statement is overdue, the EFL comments to Keith are odd, they appear shifty.

Nothing stopped EFL from providing a clear and coherent response to the enquiry.

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Originally Posted by Ninian1962

The EFL made it very clear (in writing) that they were not willing to provide any further explanations and basically said "ask your club" which I did .

Keith

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Sorry Keith, there was no criticism of you intended there, you have obviously done what you could as your further explanation shows, but I can't see why on the one hand the league appear to openly publish details those who under embargo with the reasons for it (as in the case of Burnley)
but then appear to be underhand by not putting us down on the list or be open with the reasons why they have placed the embargo

It makes them appear deceitful (should I really be surprised?)

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Originally Posted by logic

I don't disagree no.

Would you disagree with the notion that EFL's clear ambiguous language and evasiveness could also be towards the club as well as the Trust?

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I don’t see the EFL wording as ambiguous. They stated we aren’t under a registration embargo, but we knew that, the club know that, if we were well couldn’t have signed players in January. For the club to tell the trust that we are is clearly nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Sorry Keith, there was no criticism of you intended there, you have obviously done what you could as your further explanation shows, but I can't see why on the one hand the league appear to openly publish details those who under embargo with the reasons for it (as in the case of Burnley)
but then appear to be underhand by not putting us down on the list or be open with the reasons why they have placed the embargo

It makes them appear deceitful (should I really be surprised?)

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The only thing I can think of which would reasonably justify the EFL response would be maybe if we were taking legal action against them?
Citing "confidentiality" is odd, unless their view is that they don't want to respond to entities that aren't officially part of the club?

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Originally Posted by logic

I agree a statement is overdue, the EFL comments to Keith are odd, they appear shifty.

Nothing stopped EFL from providing a clear and coherent response to the enquiry.

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I suspect the owner's apparent penchant for litigation may be a factor. It could also be that some sort of process is going on behind the scenes that prevents the EFL from making a definitive statement at this stage, as was the case when the rumours about Reading's latest points deduction started circling a few months back.

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Originally Posted by cityhammer

I don’t see the EFL wording as ambiguous. They stated we aren’t under a registration embargo, but we knew that, the club know that, if we were well couldn’t have signed players in January. For the club to tell the trust that we are is clearly nonsense.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the original post imply Keith enquired about a transfer embargo. EFL respond about registrations solely. Club response sounds like it's referring to a transfer embargo.

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Originally Posted by logic

The only thing I can think of which would reasonably justify the EFL response would be maybe if we were taking legal action against them?

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Exactly what I've just posted.

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