Medieval pantomime a right embarrassment on the world stage

After Brexit this pantomime today makes Britain look very old fashioned, frugal, definitely not inclusive and frankly an embarrassment. The country really is a little island going backwards with delusions of grandeur and importance in the World.

Whilst a very large number of people are struggling to go about their daily lives and feed their families we see this pompous, arrogant decadence which is completely insensitive and unnecessary.

Nobody in power seems to be focussing on the key issues in society and the pain, worry and upset so many are enduring.

I'll keep it polite and respectful but something needs to change pretty quickly and GB needs to be more representative of everyone and the playing field levelled. It's 2023 and not 1623!

Frugal? Anything but.

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Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost

Frugal? Anything but.

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oops sorry typo meant feudal!

14 million in poverty, every public service failing, but we have pomp which makes everything better.

Utter embarrassment on the world stage, only the elderly care.

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Originally Posted by Taffy Blue in Berkshire

After Brexit this pantomime today makes Britain look very old fashioned, feudal, definitely not inclusive and frankly an embarrassment. The country really is a little island going backwards with delusions of grandeur and importance in the World.

Whilst a very large number of people are struggling to go about their daily lives and feed their families we see this pompous, arrogant decadence which is completely insensitive and unnecessary.

Nobody in power seems to be focussing on the key issues in society and the pain, worry and upset so many are enduring.

I'll keep it polite and respectful but something needs to change pretty quickly and GB needs to be more representative of everyone and the playing field levelled. It's 2023 and not 1623!

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sorry I meant 'feudal' it's definitely not frugal! sorry my mistake.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

14 million in poverty, every public service failing, but we have pomp which makes everything better.

Utter embarrassment on the world stage, only the elderly care.

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you could put a lot of food in the foodbanks with £150m which is what this panto has supposedly cost!

Well, if the King was responsible for running the country I might have more sympathy for your viewpoint. Politics got us where we are today. If they got rid of the royal family tomorrow there would be no change in the fortunes of the people in this country.

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Originally Posted by Taffy Blue in Berkshire

you could put a lot of food in the foodbanks with £150m which is what this panto has supposedly cost!

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You like pantos ?
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-...end-it-in-time

Great turnout in Cardiff https://twitter.com/beckyjohnsonsky/...ZQyp-iO2wYo4Kg

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Originally Posted by Doucas

14 million in poverty, every public service failing, but we have pomp which makes everything better.

Utter embarrassment on the world stage, only the elderly care.

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From this thread I take it that you aren't of age (it creeps up very quickly) :hehe: I'm not an anti royalist or pro royalist and wish it ended when Liz popped her clogs, i think you make a very valid point on the obscene cost of this and every occasion like this, I don't have a counter argument, and my only observation would be that without this event there would still be 14 million in poverty. Poverty isn't a single issue problem.

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Originally Posted by Taffy Blue in Berkshire

After Brexit this pantomime today makes Britain look very old fashioned, frugal, definitely not inclusive and frankly an embarrassment. The country really is a little island going backwards with delusions of grandeur and importance in the World.

Whilst a very large number of people are struggling to go about their daily lives and feed their families we see this pompous, arrogant decadence which is completely insensitive and unnecessary.

Nobody in power seems to be focussing on the key issues in society and the pain, worry and upset so many are enduring.

I'll keep it polite and respectful but something needs to change pretty quickly and GB needs to be more representative of everyone and the playing field levelled. It's 2023 and not 1623!

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What's your solution to solving these problems? Do they not exist in republics?

It's just another rant with no substance. .

And you aren't correct about how it looks around the world; you can see that by googling le monde, sud Deutsche zeitung, CNN, Sydney Morning Herlaf etc etc etc.

If the rant makes you feel good, then good for you, but you don't offer solutions to problems that have zero connection to the ceremony today

The poverty that exists is down to some who are a million times more wealthy than the Royal family. Through debts, tax to pay off government debt and corporate ownership and greed, these few take a lot more of our money than do these royals.

However, we have all been programmed to defend them, as I'm sure some will shortly demonstrate.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

What's your solution to solving these problems? Do they not exist in republics?

It's just another rant with no substance. .

And you aren't correct about how it looks around the world; you can see that by googling le monde, sud Deutsche zeitung, CNN, Sydney Morning Herlaf etc etc etc.

If the rant makes you feel good, then good for you, but you don't offer solutions to problems that have zero connection to the ceremony today

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You can't assume that coverage in newspapers is an accurate reflection of the attitudes of everyone in that country. Read the Guardian if you want to know how everyone in the UK feels.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

What's your solution to solving these problems? Do they not exist in republics?

It's just another rant with no substance. .

And you aren't correct about how it looks around the world; you can see that by googling le monde, sud Deutsche zeitung, CNN, Sydney Morning Herlaf etc etc etc.

If the rant makes you feel good, then good for you, but you don't offer solutions to problems that have zero connection to the ceremony today

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having lived abroad, have a second home abroad and working all over the world I believe in being integrated and more friendly to people from other countries. it's the job of politicians to do what's best for society not the likes of me. there are people risking their lives crossing the channel with families, parts of the world killing civilians, our own citizens starving and reliant on foodbanks and we have this pomp.

this government ought to be doing better and today really is unfortunate in that it comes at a time when we have a mess.

the disparity in society is very sad and also that nobody seems to be doing anything to address it.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

What's your solution to solving these problems? Do they not exist in republics?

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That’s a pretty sloppy argument tbh. I don’t think the claim would be that a ceremony like today is the only cause of, let’s say, poverty in society. But perhaps that it’s not justifiable or shouldn’t be a priority in a society where poverty exists. Pointing out that poverty also exists elsewhere is really not a reasoned reply.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

You can't assume that coverage in newspapers is an accurate reflection of the attitudes of everyone in that country. Read the Guardian if you want to know how everyone in the UK feels.

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I don't assume that. It will be a mixture of interest, respect, bemusement, humour, boredom, reverence.

Ie, a variety of opinions...exactly NOT how Taffy Blue presented it

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Originally Posted by Baloo

That’s a pretty sloppy argument tbh. I don’t think the claim would be that a ceremony like today is the only cause of, let’s say, poverty in society. But perhaps that it’s not justifiable or shouldn’t be a priority in a society where poverty exists. Pointing out that poverty also exists elsewhere is really not a reasoned reply.

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So where do we draw the line, whilst poverty exists?

Should we find sport? Eisteddfod? Museums? Galleries? Arts? Old buildings? Where should we stop?

The reality is that poverty exists everywhere, esp when measured by the relative poverty. Nearly every famine in the last 80 years or so has occured in s country that made a point of stressing its egalitarian values.

No one can point to any clear benefit of UK being a republic. It's just endless moans and sneering

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Originally Posted by Taffy Blue in Berkshire

having lived abroad, have a second home abroad and working all over the world I believe in being integrated and more friendly to people from other countries. it's the job of politicians to do what's best for society not the likes of me. there are people risking their lives crossing the channel with families, parts of the world killing civilians, our own citizens starving and reliant on foodbanks and we have this pomp.

this government ought to be doing better and today really is unfortunate in that it comes at a time when we have a mess.

the disparity in society is very sad and also that nobody seems to be doing anything to address it.

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You have a second home? I bet theres many on here who don't have one. Why don't you give up your second home and give that cash to those who are hungry?

This fits with my suspicion. Most arch republicans are pretty wealthy. Those who are ambivalent know that the debate doesn't matter to their lives. It's a luxury concern

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

So where do we draw the line, whilst poverty exists?

Should we find sport? Eisteddfod? Museums? Galleries? Arts? Old buildings? Where should we stop?

The reality is that poverty exists everywhere, esp when measured by the relative poverty. Nearly every famine in the last 80 years or so has occured in s country that made a point of stressing its egalitarian values.

No one can point to any clear benefit of UK being a republic. It's just endless moans and sneering

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Benefits - put the money and obscene wealth on display to those in genuine need.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

So where do we draw the line, whilst poverty exists?

Should we find sport? Eisteddfod? Museums? Galleries? Arts? Old buildings? Where should we stop?

The reality is that poverty exists everywhere, esp when measured by the relative poverty. Nearly every famine in the last 80 years or so has occured in s country that made a point of stressing its egalitarian values.

No one can point to any clear benefit of UK being a republic. It's just endless moans and sneering

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The Tories you vote for have tried their best to Slash the arts and culture to the bone

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Originally Posted by Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond

The poverty that exists is down to some who are a million times more wealthy than the Royal family. Through debts, tax to pay off government debt and corporate ownership and greed, these few take a lot more of our money than do these royals.

However, we have all been programmed to defend them, as I'm sure some will shortly demonstrate.

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This

as we're all on a rant today it seems look at the money being spent on the military last year from the major players around the world . These figures are obscene with so much poverty around the world and don't get me started on the WEF !

Military spend : 2022

China: $291 billion
India: $66 billion
Russia: $61 billion
UK: $55 billion
France: $51 billion
Japan: $48 billion
Germany: $46 billion
Italy: $33 billion
Brazil: $20 billion
Iran: $6 billion

Total: $677 billion

US military spending, 2022: $877 billion

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Originally Posted by Taffy Blue in Berkshire

After Brexit this pantomime today makes Britain look very old fashioned, frugal, definitely not inclusive and frankly an embarrassment. The country really is a little island going backwards with delusions of grandeur and importance in the World.

Whilst a very large number of people are struggling to go about their daily lives and feed their families we see this pompous, arrogant decadence which is completely insensitive and unnecessary.

Nobody in power seems to be focussing on the key issues in society and the pain, worry and upset so many are enduring.

I'll keep it polite and respectful but something needs to change pretty quickly and GB needs to be more representative of everyone and the playing field levelled. It's 2023 and not 1623!

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What's the estimated figure of how much that family cost us compared to how much tourism revenue they generate ? - as long as they break even or earn the UK some money - I dont mind that much. What gets my goat are people Duke and Duchess or x and their self entitled elitist attitude - they need to be given the 'French' treatment

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Originally Posted by pipster

What's the estimated figure of how much that family cost us compared to how much tourism revenue they generate ? - as long as they break even or earn the UK some money - I dont mind that much. What gets my goat are people Duke and Duchess or x and their self entitled elitist attitude - they need to be given the 'French' treatment

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15,000,000 tourists per year visit The Palace of Versailles.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

The reality is that poverty exists everywhere, esp when measured by the relative poverty. Nearly every famine in the last 80 years or so has occured in s country that made a point of stressing its egalitarian values.

No one can point to any clear benefit of UK being a republic. It's just endless moans and sneering

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"A clear benefit" of your choosing? If a republic or monarchy is irrelevant to economic stability then you can't use it as a criticism. We spend a lot of public money on events like today. To many of us they're pompous, patronising, condescending, infantilising, have a fantastic lack of self-awareness and maintain a baffling hierarchy. The "king" is not accountable and we can't get rid of him.

Museums, galleries, old buildings etc are seen as a benefit. So if you're going to eschew the economic question, then what cultural benefit does royalty have for the entire country (and not just your own personal taste)?

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Originally Posted by pipster

What's the estimated figure of how much that family cost us compared to how much tourism revenue they generate ? - as long as they break even or earn the UK some money - I dont mind that much. What gets my goat are people Duke and Duchess or x and their self entitled elitist attitude - they need to be given the 'French' treatment

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Tourism revenue wouldnt stop just because we havent got a stupid thing such as a feckin King in this day and age.

May even increase.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Tourism revenue wouldnt stop just because we havent got a stupid thing such as a feckin King in this day and age.

May even increase.

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You’d have thought so, tours of Buckingham Palace alone would bring in a right few bob.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

You’d have thought so, tours of Buckingham Palace alone would bring in a right few bob.

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I think so, I was having this discussion yesterday in work with two full on royalists, there would always be those who would come to see the sights irrespective if we have the crown or not, I'd just ban the French :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Taffy Blue in Berkshire

After Brexit this pantomime today makes Britain look very old fashioned, frugal, definitely not inclusive and frankly an embarrassment. The country really is a little island going backwards with delusions of grandeur and importance in the World.

Whilst a very large number of people are struggling to go about their daily lives and feed their families we see this pompous, arrogant decadence which is completely insensitive and unnecessary.

Nobody in power seems to be focussing on the key issues in society and the pain, worry and upset so many are enduring.

I'll keep it polite and respectful but something needs to change pretty quickly and GB needs to be more representative of everyone and the playing field levelled. It's 2023 and not 1623!

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Reads like a page from the Socialist Workers Party manifesto. You just don't get it do you ? Some of the most fervent supporters of the Royal Family and all the history they bring to this country are the ordinary working class people. In difficult times especially the monarchy's presence and all the history the UK has brings comfort and solidity to people who might be struggling and gives them pride in their country. Go and live somewhere like Albania if you don't like it here.

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

"A clear benefit" of your choosing? If a republic or monarchy is irrelevant to economic stability then you can't use it as a criticism. We spend a lot of public money on events like today. To many of us they're pompous, patronising, condescending, infantilising, have a fantastic lack of self-awareness and maintain a baffling hierarchy. The "king" is not accountable and we can't get rid of him.

Museums, galleries, old buildings etc are seen as a benefit. So if you're going to eschew the economic question, then what cultural benefit does royalty have for the entire country (and not just your own personal taste)?

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I dont criticise republics. I criticise people moaning, slagging people off, manufacturing false consequences of the monarchy and talking about things like this (often from a position of privilege themselves) that have no consequence on people's lives.

And don't give me this 'let the people' decide stuff either, cos there's a big crossover between people who whinge about the monarchy and whinge about Brexit, which the people voted for (esp poorer people).

In fact, if there is anything that links it all is whingeing. Show me a positive vision, and I'll listen. Until then, there is no reason to change, and some reasons to keep the status quo, given they have no legislative power but do provide some stability as well as serving the country abroad etc.

But I don't care what people think, that's up to them..live and let live as I said the other day to the first ranting thread on CCMB aboti this.

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Originally Posted by pipster

What's the estimated figure of how much that family cost us compared to how much tourism revenue they generate ? - as long as they break even or earn the UK some money - I dont mind that much. What gets my goat are people Duke and Duchess or x and their self entitled elitist attitude - they need to be given the 'French' treatment

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It's an utter myth. Chester Zoo has more visitors than any of the Royal Family properties. In addition France gets far more visitors than us without one. Why do plebs constantly fall for whatever the status quo media tells them.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Reads like a page from the Socialist Workers Party manifesto. You just don't get it do you ? Some of the most fervent supporters of the Royal Family and all the history they bring to this country are the ordinary working class people. In difficult times especially the monarchy's presence and all the history the UK has brings comfort and solidity to people who might be struggling and gives them pride in their country. Go and live somewhere like Albania if you don't like it here.

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John Cleese, Ronnie Barker & Ronnie Corbett springs to mind reading this post. ‘I Know My Place’.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

It's an utter myth. Chester Zoo has more visitors than any of the Royal Family properties. In addition France gets far more visitors than us without one. Why do plebs constantly fall for whatever the status quo media tells them.

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Probably because snobby people like you call them plebs

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I dont criticise republics. I criticise people moaning, slagging people off, manufacturing false consequences of the monarchy and talking about things like this (often from a position of privilege themselves) that have no consequence on people's lives.

And don't give me this 'let the people' decide stuff either, cos there's a big crossover between people who whinge about the monarchy and whinge about Brexit, which the people voted for (esp poorer people).

In fact, if there is anything that links it all is whingeing. Show me a positive vision, and I'll listen. Until then, there is no reason to change, and some reasons to keep the status quo, given they have no legislative power but do provide some stability as well as serving the country abroad etc.

But I don't care what people think, that's up to them..live and let live as I said the other day to the first ranting thread on CCMB aboti this.

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People voted for Brexit because they were lied to by the government. And because they were stirred up jingoistic nonsense about how "great" Britain is and the demonization of Europe, the third largest economy on the planet.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Probably because snobby people like you call them plebs

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I've called myself a pleb on here plenty of times. I mean it more as the average person.

Mike, any luck with that forelock tugging emoji?

A lot of angry Royal loons on here this afternoon.

Didnt enjoy the freak show?

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Reads like a page from the Socialist Workers Party manifesto. You just don't get it do you ? Some of the most fervent supporters of the Royal Family and all the history they bring to this country are the ordinary working class people. In difficult times especially the monarchy's presence and all the history the UK has brings comfort and solidity to people who might be struggling and gives them pride in their country. Go and live somewhere like Albania if you don't like it here.

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🤣🤣🤣🤣 Brilliant not up there with the Rotherham result the other day but still great stuff.

Has to be a wind up account.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Reads like a page from the Socialist Workers Party manifesto. You just don't get it do you ? Some of the most fervent supporters of the Royal Family and all the history they bring to this country are the ordinary working class people. In difficult times especially the monarchy's presence and all the history the UK has brings comfort and solidity to people who might be struggling and gives them pride in their country. Go and live somewhere like Albania if you don't like it here.

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Working class Tories: pity help them

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Originally Posted by pipster

What's the estimated figure of how much that family cost us compared to how much tourism revenue they generate ? - as long as they break even or earn the UK some money - I dont mind that much. What gets my goat are people Duke and Duchess or x and their self entitled elitist attitude - they need to be given the 'French' treatment

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France get more tourists than us and they ain't got a monarchy. If all the countries in all the world with present day monarchies became republics immediately do you think tourism would die a death? No, me neither.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

🤣🤣🤣🤣 Brilliant not up there with the Rotherham result the other day but still great stuff.

Has to be a wind up account.

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He's in a world of his own. I doubt he was the most popular kid in school.