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Championship 2023 / 2024.
Almost EPL 2. Only five clubs I think who have not been Premier League.
Birmingham
Blackburn
Bristol City
Cardiff
Coventry
Huddersfield
Hull
Ipswich
Leeds
Leicester
Middlesbrough
Millwall
Norwich
Plymouth
Preston
QPR
Rotherham
Sheffield W
Southampton
Sunderland
Stoke
Swansea
Watford
West Brom
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
and only Plymouth and Rotherham who haven't been in 1st Division/top flight
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
3 teams worse than us ?
Mmmmm
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
I cannot see one team worse than us...
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
The Prophet of Doom
I cannot see one team worse than us...
Well we don't know how things are going to be but so far things are not encouraging
Possibly Hull, QPR , Rotherham
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Well we don't know how things are going to be but so far things are not encouraging
Possibly Hull, QPR , Rotherham
Hull? They finished 15th last season, 9 points clear of us and beat us home and away. Seem to have money behind them too
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
SkyBet currently have City ranked at 18th. They believe the following will six clubs will finish below the Bluebirds:
Bristol City
Plymouth
Preston
QPR
Huddersfield
Rotherham
Sheffield Wednesday are not very good and have an ageing side. If they don't strengthen significantly in the summer I reckon they'll be in trouble.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
There's always points deductions to come to our rescue..........
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
Little doubt we need to sort manager out and strengthen squad urgently otherwise we will be in big trouble. Looks like a strong league this year.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
SkyBet currently have City ranked at 18th. They believe the following will six clubs will finish below the Bluebirds:
Bristol City
Plymouth
Preston
QPR
Huddersfield
Rotherham
Sheffield Wednesday are not very good and have an ageing side. If they don't strengthen significantly in the summer I reckon they'll be in trouble.
Be very surprised if Plymouth finish below us
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
City123
Be very surprised if Plymouth finish below us
They're only making wild guesses at this stage as nobody knows what the various squads are going to look like when the season begins, but I'd be interested to hear the reasoning behind placing Bristol City and Preston below Cardiff in the betting on this season's evidence.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Almost EPL 2. Only five clubs I think who have not been Premier League.
Birmingham
Blackburn
Bristol City
Cardiff
Coventry
Huddersfield
Hull
Ipswich
Leeds
Leicester
Middlesbrough
Millwall
Norwich
Plymouth
Preston
QPR
Rotherham
Sheffield W
Southampton
Sunderland
Stoke
Swansea
Watford
West Brom
We'll finish above;
- Coventry
- Huddersfield
- Hull
- Ipswich
- Plymouth
- QPR
- Sheff Wed
Positivity starts before the season begins :biggrin: :thumbup:
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
The standard was pretty crap last season apart from a couple of teams. I see no reason why it'll be much different next season. We do need to be better, and there's no sign of that happening at the moment, but I don't think we'll need to be massively better to at least stay up.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
Impossible to tell until we start the season, let’s see what happens. Unimpressed by Wednesday.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
3 teams worse than us ?
Mmmmm
I don't see anything in the three teams that have come up. Other than Ipswich and Sheff Wed being big "names", I think they'll have some work to do to stay up.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
SkyBet currently have City ranked at 18th. They believe the following will six clubs will finish below the Bluebirds:
Bristol City
Plymouth
Preston
QPR
Huddersfield
Rotherham
Sheffield Wednesday are not very good and have an ageing side. If they don't strengthen significantly in the summer I reckon they'll be in trouble.
It's usually the same. Bigger names get more money put on them.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
Ipswich got 98 points and Sheff Weds 96 in L1.
We wouldnt get anywhere near that with our squad.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I don't see anything in the three teams that have come up. Other than Ipswich and Sheff Wed being big "names", I think they'll have some work to do to stay up.
You don't see anything in 3 teams that managed almost 300 points between them this season?
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Ipswich got 98 points and Sheff Weds 96 in L1.
We wouldnt get anywhere near that with our squad.
Is that to do with the strength of those sides or the rest of the division?
This season's top 4 won more points between them than any other season in the 3rd tier's history (since 3 points for a win). By the same token, this season's bottom 4 are one of the worst in terms of points won.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
City123
You don't see anything in 3 teams that managed almost 300 points between them this season?
I've had a look at some of the seasons where the points tally of the top 4/6 have been at their highest.
The second best was in 2013/14 when Wolves and Brentford both finished in the top 7. The fourth best was in 2018/19 when Barnsley went down and Luton and Charlton finished 19th and 21st respectively.
The lowest points tally of the top 6 saw Colchester finish top half and Southend relegated.
I don't buy too much into how many points they won.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
I know we say it every year but this really does look like the strongest Championship in some time.
But then I'm also pretty sure there's three worse teams than us in there (assuming we don't **** up the transfer window).
It's also the least excited / optimistic I'll be going into a season since can't remember when. A long time. It's going to be shit. New manager feels even more important because there's no way we can get enough good players on board for a playoff push. Not even mid table. It's 18th and below for us and it's never been more obvious.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I've had a look at some of the seasons where the points tally of the top 4/6 have been at their highest.
The second best was in 2013/14 when Wolves and Brentford both finished in the top 7. The fourth best was in 2018/19 when Barnsley went down and Luton and Charlton finished 19th and 21st respectively.
The lowest points tally of the top 6 saw Colchester finish top half and Southend relegated.
I don't buy too much into how many points they won.
Sides that get to, or very close to, a hundred points can be very strong, but it can also mean that the opposition was weaker than normal. This season’s League One strikes me more as being a weak division rather than the top three being outstanding. As for the teams coming down, Southampton’s points tally is low, Leicester will probably look a lot different come the autumn than they do now and Leeds will need to get a manager with plenty of Championship experience I feel. Nevertheless, it’s hard to see us being competitive in a strong or a weak Championship if the current sense of drift is allowed to continue much longer.
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Mate of mine in work is from Stoke he reckons they are going to struggle next season
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
They're only making wild guesses at this stage as nobody knows what the various squads are going to look like when the season begins, but I'd be interested to hear the reasoning behind placing Bristol City and Preston below Cardiff in the betting on this season's evidence.
I doubt there's much reasoning behind the odds at this stage. It will mostly be a popularity contest and with so little money on the market even low stakes coming in on us from DML will likely cut our odds a bit.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Sides that get to, or very close to, a hundred points can be very strong, but it can also mean that the opposition was weaker than normal. This season’s League One strikes me more as being a weak division rather than the top three being outstanding. As for the teams coming down, Southampton’s points tally is low, Leicester will probably look a lot different come the autumn than they do now and Leeds will need to get a manager with plenty of Championship experience I feel. Nevertheless, it’s hard to see us being competitive in a strong or a weak Championship if the current sense of drift is allowed to continue much longer.
Undoubtedly. Our destiny is in our own hands, which is more than a bit worrying. Debating whether the Championship will be stronger or weaker (as happens every year) is like two bald guys fighting over a comb. If we're shit next season we go down, regardless.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
Trigger
I doubt there's much reasoning behind the odds at this stage. It will mostly be a popularity contest and with so little money on the market even low stakes coming in on us from DML will likely cut our odds a bit.
I just put 2p on us winning the championship and now we're 1/11 on favourites
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
I'll go for it then. This is not my predicted 1st - 24th, just whether they're be challenging for promotion or fighting against relegation
Top 8
Blackburn
Leeds
Leicester
Middlesbrough
Norwich
Ipswich
Southampton
West Brom
Middle 8
Coventry
Millwall
Preston
Sheffield W
Sunderland
Stoke
Swansea
Watford
Bottom 8
Birmingham
Bristol City
Cardiff
Huddersfield
Hull
Plymouth
QPR
Rotherham
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Not a bad stab at it.Hard to disagree with your choices but there's always surprises.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
I think Coventry might do a Huddersfield and fall of a cliff.
Think Des' Top 8 are spot on. Can maaaybe see Sunderland sneaking in if they don't struggle with injuries like they did last season.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
sneggyblubird
Not a bad stab at it.Hard to disagree with your choices but there's always surprises.
My surprise choice will be Watford. I know I've put them in the middle group but I just have a feeling they could be in free fall and fighting relegation.
Birmingham starting on minus 2. Don't think that's a problem but they're also in that verge of collapse mode.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
Des Parrot
My surprise choice will be Watford. I know I've put them in the middle group but I just have a feeling they could be in free fall and fighting relegation.
Birmingham starting on minus 2. Don't think that's a problem but they're also in that verge of collapse mode.
Birmingham's points deduction is suspended. It won't be applied at all if they behave themselves.
https://www.bcfc.com/news/club/club-statement-may-2023
The Club has cooperated fully with the EFL throughout the investigation and has accepted a two-point deduction, suspended until the end of the 2023/24 season. The suspended deduction will only come into effect upon any future breach of the OADT before the end of next season. In addition, the Club will make a contribution to the EFL’s costs of the investigation.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
It would be great to get a decent manager in , a few journeymen and finish mid table , upsetting a few of the big boys on the way
But I think bottom 6 is most likely and we deffo are poor enough at present to be relegated
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
It's difficult to see how City are going to be better this season than last. We were fortunate with a number of loanees but that may easily change next time out.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It would be great to get a decent manager in , a few journeymen and finish mid table , upsetting a few of the big boys on the way
But I think bottom 6 is most likely and we deffo are poor enough at present to be relegated
Don't think I've seen anyone call for a team to sign journeymen before
Regardless they're the last thing we need and our reliance on overpaid, over the hill journeymen got us into this mess
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
City123
Don't think I've seen anyone call for a team to sign journeymen before
Regardless they're the last thing we need and our reliance on overpaid, over the hill journeymen got us into this mess
Journeymen like bothroyd
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It would be great to get a decent manager in , a few journeymen and finish mid table , upsetting a few of the big boys on the way
But I think bottom 6 is most likely and we deffo are poor enough at present to be relegated
We need to be identifying young talented players and developing our own young players.
Not old journeymen with no sell on value.
I dont mind the odd older head on a 1 year deal to keep us up but unless we start bringing through players with sell on values we are going to further and further into debt.
The club isnt sustainable in its current format. In fact its a total joke on and off the pitch.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
Des Parrot
I'll go for it then. This is not my predicted 1st - 24th, just whether they're be challenging for promotion or fighting against relegation
Top 8
Blackburn
Leeds
Leicester
Middlesbrough
Norwich
Ipswich
Southampton
West Brom
Middle 8
Coventry
Millwall
Preston
Sheffield W
Sunderland
Stoke
Swansea
Watford
Bottom 8
Birmingham
Bristol City
Cardiff
Huddersfield
Hull
Plymouth
QPR
Rotherham
Mostly makes sense, I'm not familiar enough with the 3 promoted sides to comment on those really, but on paper at least I'm not sure Wednesday look that great.
I know a few who think that Blackburn are going to struggle this year, so that will be an interesting one.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
City123
Don't think I've seen anyone call for a team to sign journeymen before
Regardless they're the last thing we need and our reliance on overpaid, over the hill journeymen got us into this mess
We need pace. We have to sign 3 or 4 players that are quick. Hopefully one in midfield, one or two out wide and one up top. We are the most one paced side in the league.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Mostly makes sense, I'm not familiar enough with the 3 promoted sides to comment on those really, but on paper at least I'm not sure Wednesday look that great.
I know a few who think that Blackburn are going to struggle this year, so that will be an interesting one.
Wednesday got 96 points this season, they'll be fine. They'll add to it but they win games. Bannan and Windass walk into our side, to be fair I'd take Smith too. Plymouth are going to lose a few players (loans ending and Ennis has going to Blackburn) so they might be the ones to struggle. Ipswich will be top half, easy.
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Re: Championship 2023 / 2024.
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Wednesday got 96 points this season, they'll be fine. They'll add to it but they win games. Bannan and Windass walk into our side, to be fair I'd take Smith too. Plymouth are going to lose a few players (loans ending and Ennis has going to Blackburn) so they might be the ones to struggle. Ipswich will be top half, easy.
Lots of their main players are the wrong side of 30 though they might still be fine, or they might suddenly drop off a cliff performance wise, or just start to pick up a lot of injuries.