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Will Dalman buy the City off Tan?
I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking about this but he may be (or already has) putting together a consortium.He seems to be far better connected in football terms than I previously thought and there seems to be a marked change in him lately.
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I think that's a perfectly fair question
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Won't reach Tan's OTT valuation.
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bobh
Won't reach Tan's OTT valuation.
I've a feeling the sands may be shifting.
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Is this a difficult Dalman to the one who’s repeatedly slagged off and called on to resign?
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I thought the way he opened the conference by setting the record straight about some of the dumb things us idiot fans believe came across as completely arrogant. I don't know what he reads but I hadn't seen a single thing about Bulut being a linguistic moron and Dalman's family ties to the manager.
Despite his acquired home counties accent, slicked back hair and shiny suit, he just has a demeanour of superiority and smugness. I'd prefer someone with a little more humility. Someone who knows a little bit about the game. Someone who just addresses the media and fans with a straight face, answers the questions without imparting his wisdom based on his years working in "the city". Someone who doesn't smirk when a perfectly normal question is put to him.
All Tan has to do is hire some people with credentials in the game and keep his nose out. He'd be a decent owner if he had some sense.
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Divine Wright
I thought the way he opened the conference by setting the record straight about some of the dumb things us idiot fans believe came across as completely arrogant. I don't know what he reads but I hadn't seen a single thing about Bulut being a linguistic moron and Dalman's family ties to the manager.
Despite his acquired home counties accent, slicked back hair and shiny suit, he just has a demeanour of superiority and smugness. I'd prefer someone with a little more humility. Someone who knows a little bit about the game. Someone who just addresses the media and fans with a straight face, answers the questions without imparting his wisdom based on his years working in "the city". Someone who doesn't smirk when a perfectly normal question is put to him.
All Tan has to do is hire some people with credentials in the game and keep his nose out. He'd be a decent owner if he had some sense.
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Agreed but I think you are asking a little too much of Tan.
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Divine Wright
I thought the way he opened the conference by setting the record straight about some of the dumb things us idiot fans believe came across as completely arrogant. I don't know what he reads but I hadn't seen a single thing about Bulut being a linguistic moron and Dalman's family ties to the manager.
Despite his acquired home counties accent, slicked back hair and shiny suit, he just has a demeanour of superiority and smugness. I'd prefer someone with a little more humility. Someone who knows a little bit about the game. Someone who just addresses the media and fans with a straight face, answers the questions without imparting his wisdom based on his years working in "the city". Someone who doesn't smirk when a perfectly normal question is put to him.
All Tan has to do is hire some people with credentials in the game and keep his nose out. He'd be a decent owner if he had some sense.
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Don't know about the linguistic one but definitely saw something on one of the message boards about the appointment being because he was a mate of Dalman?
As an approach I personally didn't mind the bite back as there isn't half some shite written on social media and these messageboards that get debated for pages on end as if they are fact. The other bloke who seemed to have been nailed on is a case in point as well as the Bamba assassination when there was no substance to it?
Whether the press conference was the right place to do it I am not so sure.
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How would he afford it?
If it become some sort of financial vehicle with multiple investors that could cause more issues than we have now.
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Don Corleone
Dalman is Swiss Tony
I've heard of Swiss Peter. But who is Swiss Tony?
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Lots of ways to afford it, if he had a desire too
Bring in other investors in a consortium
Agree to take on the debt and pay Tan back over a set period of time
Borrow heavily against the club, similar to what other clubs have done
A mixture of 1and 2, which could mean face saving for Tan as he plans his route out
I doubt anyone actually puts lots of their own personal fortune into this kind of project, and that’s what it would be seen as imho
Invest, get promoted and then sell
Who knows?
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NYCBlue
I've heard of Swiss Peter. But who is Swiss Tony?
Wasn't he a character in the fast show - smooth cars salesman?
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Nobody's Rep
Wasn't he a character in the fast show - smooth cars salesman?
He was. In this context he'd say "Taking over a football club is very much like making love to a beautiful woman..."
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Nobody's Rep
Don't know about the linguistic one
I think it was on twitter, people asking "does he even speak English?"
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Undercoverinwurzelland
He was. In this context he'd say "Taking over a football club is very much like making love to a beautiful woman..."
I think the real test would have been finding anything that Swiss Tony didn't think was "very much like making love to a beautiful woman".
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Divine Wright
I thought the way he opened the conference by setting the record straight about some of the dumb things us idiot fans believe came across as completely arrogant. I don't know what he reads but I hadn't seen a single thing about Bulut being a linguistic moron and Dalman's family ties to the manager.
Despite his acquired home counties accent, slicked back hair and shiny suit, he just has a demeanour of superiority and smugness. I'd prefer someone with a little more humility. Someone who knows a little bit about the game. Someone who just addresses the media and fans with a straight face, answers the questions without imparting his wisdom based on his years working in "the city". Someone who doesn't smirk when a perfectly normal question is put to him.
All Tan has to do is hire some people with credentials in the game and keep his nose out. He'd be a decent owner if he had some sense.
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What Dalman said re setting the record straight was absolutely true and needed to be said. There have been some idiotic stories circulating, started by people who have axes to grind and know little about football. Both of the things you mention were on this board and others, as was unwarranted criticism of Bamba’s abilities. Plus Dalman has been Chairman of this club for over twelve years now. At what point would you say that someone who started out as being a bit of a novice in football knowledge terms becomes experienced at that task, because I would say that Dalman reached that point some time ago. He is one of the most experienced Chairmen in the league now and will have built up many contacts and generally in football circles appears well thought of.
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Nobody's Rep
Wasn't he a character in the fast show - smooth cars salesman?
"Polishing a car is like making love to a beautiful woman" :hehe:
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dml1954
What Dalman said re setting the record straight was absolutely true and needed to be said. There have been some idiotic stories circulating, started by people who have axes to grind and know little about football. Both of the things you mention were on this board and others, as was unwarranted criticism of Bamba’s abilities. Plus Dalman has been Chairman of this club for over twelve years now. At what point would you say that someone who started out as being a bit of a novice in football knowledge terms becomes experienced at that task, because I would say that Dalman reached that point some time ago. He is one of the most experienced Chairmen in the league now and will have built up many contacts and generally in football circles appears well thought of.
It’s only right he should put the record straight or at least bat away unfounded criticism,
The real question here is how do you know that in football circles he appears to be well thought of?
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the other bob wilson
I think the real test would have been finding anything that Swiss Tony didn't think was "very much like making love to a beautiful woman".
He's the sort of bloke I'd be left counting my fingers after shaking his hand.
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dml1954
What Dalman said re setting the record straight was absolutely true and needed to be said. There have been some idiotic stories circulating, started by people who have axes to grind and know little about football. Both of the things you mention were on this board and others, as was unwarranted criticism of Bamba’s abilities. Plus Dalman has been Chairman of this club for over twelve years now. At what point would you say that someone who started out as being a bit of a novice in football knowledge terms becomes experienced at that task, because I would say that Dalman reached that point some time ago. He is one of the most experienced Chairmen in the league now and will have built up many contacts and generally in football circles appears well thought of.
Sal man has been Chairman of the club for under 10 years - not over 12. (July 2013).
He has obviously developed some experience and expertise over that time - but as a non executive on the Board. He gets involved with the appointment of managers (in some cases he leads the recruitment and sells the idea to Tan - in other cases he doesn’t). The Sala tragedy has given Dalman a unique insight into football governance and Swiss contract law - but not enough to prevent late payment of the first instalment to Nantes and the 3 window transfer restrictions that came with it. So no - he’s not a novice, but neither is he a top operator in running a big club.
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jon1959
Sal man has been Chairman of the club for under 10 years - not over 12. (July 2013).
He has obviously developed some experience and expertise over that time - but as a non executive on the Board. He gets involved with the appointment of managers (in some cases he leads the recruitment and sells the idea to Tan - in other cases he doesn’t). The Sala tragedy has given Dalman a unique insight into football governance and Swiss contract law - but not enough to prevent late payment of the first instalment to Nantes and the 3 window transfer restrictions that came with it. So no - he’s not a novice, but neither is he a top operator in running a big club.
But hes well thought of in football circles :hehe::hehe:
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dml1954
What Dalman said re setting the record straight was absolutely true and needed to be said. There have been some idiotic stories circulating, started by people who have axes to grind and know little about football. Both of the things you mention were on this board and others, as was unwarranted criticism of Bamba’s abilities. Plus Dalman has been Chairman of this club for over twelve years now. At what point would you say that someone who started out as being a bit of a novice in football knowledge terms becomes experienced at that task, because I would say that Dalman reached that point some time ago. He is one of the most experienced Chairmen in the league now and will have built up many contacts and generally in football circles appears well thought of.
What’s that series called?…Undercover Boss, I think. Which features CEOs, owners etc of companies who, as the title suggests, go undercover as a new recruit. Very often they’re found to have very little knowledge of the workings of the particular occupation that they’re head of yet have ‘run the show’ for many years.
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J R Hartley
But hes well thought of in football circles :hehe::hehe:
And of course expertise trumps experience every time and there ain't much of that to go round on our board; save for selling cars maybe.
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splott parker
What’s that series called?…Undercover Boss, I think. Which features CEOs, owners etc of companies who, as the title suggests, go undercover as a new recruit. Very often they’re found to have very little knowledge of the workings of the particular occupation that they’re head of yet have ‘run the show’ for many years.
Wasn’t Dalman linked as heading up a consortium to buy Charlton a few years back ?
He me very well have aspirations to buy a club but not convinced we would be any better off.
He has recently met with supporters where he has pointed out that EVERY decision is made by Tan.
Is this his way of distancing himself from many of the poor decisions taken at board level ?
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Undercoverinwurzelland
He was. In this context he'd say "Taking over a football club is very much like making love to a beautiful woman..."
That's the one
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Undercoverinwurzelland
I think it was on twitter, people asking "does he even speak English?"
Ahh not on twitter
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Undercoverinwurzelland
I think it was on twitter, people asking "does he even speak English?"
There were some people speculating that Sol Bamba might have a translating job (and stay with the club) if Bulut doesn't speak English.
Sol speaks at least five languages, including Turkish. But as is now obvious - he's not needed for that.
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Dorcus
And of course expertise trumps experience every time and there ain't much of that to go round on our board; save for selling cars maybe.
Assume that you meant this message board, in which case I agree with every word you said.
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jon1959
Sal man has been Chairman of the club for under 10 years - not over 12. (July 2013).
He has obviously developed some experience and expertise over that time - but as a non executive on the Board. He gets involved with the appointment of managers (in some cases he leads the recruitment and sells the idea to Tan - in other cases he doesn’t). The Sala tragedy has given Dalman a unique insight into football governance and Swiss contract law - but not enough to prevent late payment of the first instalment to Nantes and the 3 window transfer restrictions that came with it. So no - he’s not a novice, but neither is he a top operator in running a big club.
OK, he joined the board in January 2012, so I will compromise at 11 years experience, not that it makes much difference. Dalman explained why the Sala payment was late arriving from Tan, so I don't think he can be blamed for that or the three window ban that came with it. He also seems to get quite directly involved with speaking to managers and dealing with the negotiating and financial side of players we want to sign, so that would have brought him into contact with many other club Chairman and owners. As I said, he has been here for considerably longer than quite a few current Chairmen and owners of other clubs and in my book that makes him experienced and knowledgeable at the job, even if mistakes are made sometimes. He certainly doesn't deserve the abuse and personal insults thrown at him that he gets regularly. He knows a damn sight more on the financial situation and running of the club than the people who continually denigrate him.
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NYCBlue
I've heard of Swiss Peter. But who is Swiss Tony?
:hehe:
...and that was genuinely the inspiration for my name when I signed up, whenever it was, in the early 2000s. (My partly Swiss heritage being the other reason).
According to the man himself he was called Swiss Tony as he was 'built like an alp, and ridged like a toblerone'. :shrug:
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Well thought of in football circles. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cardiff City the perfect example of a well run club.
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dml1954
Assume that you meant this message board, in which case I agree with every word you said.
Nice try David 😜
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Swiss Peter
:hehe:
...and that was genuinely the inspiration for my name when I signed up, whenever it was, in the early 2000s. (My partly Swiss heritage being the other reason).
According to the man himself he was called Swiss Tony as he was 'built like an alp, and ridged like a toblerone'. :shrug:
And does he have a place he can call gnome?
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dml1954
OK, he joined the board in January 2012, so I will compromise at 11 years experience, not that it makes much difference. Dalman explained why the Sala payment was late arriving from Tan, so I don't think he can be blamed for that or the three window ban that came with it. He also seems to get quite directly involved with speaking to managers and dealing with the negotiating and financial side of players we want to sign, so that would have brought him into contact with many other club Chairman and owners. As I said, he has been here for considerably longer than quite a few current Chairmen and owners of other clubs and in my book that makes him experienced and knowledgeable at the job, even if mistakes are made sometimes. He certainly doesn't deserve the abuse and personal insults thrown at him that he gets regularly. He knows a damn sight more on the financial situation and running of the club than the people who continually denigrate him.
Just an observation on your view of Dalman, I agree with you that, undoubtedly, he will have learned to a degree on the job but at the last meeting of fans' reps that he chaired (prior to the Bulut appointment) he expressed his considerable frustration about Tan's unwillingness to appoint someone to the board with football expertise. Seemingly, down to Tan's belief that, in the past he has been conned in relation to specific transfers which Tan has previously outlined. Dalman clearly stated at that meeting that, of all the boards he sits on, Cardiff City is the only one without any specific expertise on the board relating to the business they are in. If Dalman himself is bemoaning the fact that the board lacks football expertise then he must be including himself in those board members who are not sufficiently expert.
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dml1954
OK, he joined the board in January 2012, so I will compromise at 11 years experience, not that it makes much difference. Dalman explained why the Sala payment was late arriving from Tan, so I don't think he can be blamed for that or the three window ban that came with it. He also seems to get quite directly involved with speaking to managers and dealing with the negotiating and financial side of players we want to sign, so that would have brought him into contact with many other club Chairman and owners. As I said, he has been here for considerably longer than quite a few current Chairmen and owners of other clubs and in my book that makes him experienced and knowledgeable at the job, even if mistakes are made sometimes. He certainly doesn't deserve the abuse and personal insults thrown at him that he gets regularly. He knows a damn sight more on the financial situation and running of the club than the people who continually denigrate him.
Your last sentence seems to mean that nobody in any job/profession can be criticised by anybody not in the same line. Of course he should know more than any of us about the financial situation and running of the club than us, he’s the chairman for Christ’s sake. But, as in any walk of life, failure (and we have been gradually (or swiftly) failing these last few seasons) will attract denigration and criticism and the finger pointing inevitably is aimed at the top. He’s being well rewarded,I’d imagine, for overseeing a club in decline on the field and a club with a cloak and dagger approach off the field, the buck has to stop somewhere. How you can’t see that and continue posting your ‘everything in the garden is rosy’ messages is beyond me.............Your favourite band has to be Blind Faith.
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splott parker
Your last sentence seems to mean that nobody in any job/profession can be criticised by anybody not in the same line. Of course he should know more than any of us about the financial situation and running of the club than us, he’s the chairman for Christ’s sake. But, as in any walk of life, failure (and we have been gradually (or swiftly) failing these last few seasons) will attract denigration and criticism and the finger pointing inevitably is aimed at the top. He’s being well rewarded,I’d imagine, for overseeing a club in decline on the field and a club with a cloak and dagger approach off the field, the buck has to stop somewhere. How you can’t see that and continue posting your ‘everything in the garden is rosy’ messages is beyond me.............Your favourite band has to be Blind Faith.
Anyone know what happens if you tug your forelock too much?
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the other bob wilson
Anyone know what happens if you tug your forelock too much?
You end up like Cousin (tw)Itt!
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People need to go easy on dml1954. He's having a hard time of it.
The team has just endured a dismal season, culminating in its lowest league finish in 20 years. The chairman has admitted he's been disengaged for the last 18 months and has publicly taken the mickey out of the owner, and the club has employed a Turk nobody had ever heard of this time last week. That must be hard to stomach for someone like dml1954 who has consistently expressed a preference for young, British managers.
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[QUOTE=The Lone Gunman;5427688
That must be hard to stomach for someone like dml1954 who has consistently expressed a preference for young, British managers.[/QUOTE]
And old Malaysian dictators.