Another brilliant idea from Him and his lot down the Bay :facepalm:
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Another brilliant idea from Him and his lot down the Bay :facepalm:
https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/ne...a48-fall-flat/
Indeed, absolutely pathetic but do you expect anything different from those numpties ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
Buses only run every half hour at best and cyclists are not often seen in any numbers to warrant such major changes. Just more muddled thinking from those idiots down the bay.
We have a transport crisis so we need to do something
A relief road would destroy the gwent levels which are beautiful
Bike lanes ......worth considering but no good in the winter
We could put on more trains and buses between Cardiff and Newport etc but loads of people still prefer to drive .......
So unless people are legally prevented from using their car as much .......or at all .....and that's going to happen in 30 years
What else can we do ?
I'm a cyclist and know a few people who ride that route to work. As long as drivers along that route show respect to cyclists then there's no need for this amount of investment. If the government want to reduce car use along that route, then put more buses on test route with better connections at each end for more local routes.
I wouldn't necessarily blame "him" as it's happening in western aligned countries all around the world, so it's obviously being coordinated by a higher power.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
Stop talking sense - this is CCMB!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
It's that bloody Philip Schofield again isn't it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Whoever it is they don't want people to have cars by the look of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
Yes the drive for change is worldwide, that's a given, but putting these things into practice takes a lot of research and planning, something "him" and "his lot" seem incapable of doing properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The way cycle lanes and bus lanes have been implemented in the last few years, not just the city centre, has been nothing short of disastrous with poor road markings and roadworks all over the place.
If you cannot cycle, very impractical in many cases for many people, you have to get the bus or train.
The bus timetables do not tie up with the times on the bus stops (I have experienced this and know from talking to a bus driver) and TfW have not made it clear to the public which bus goes where.
Their trains are cancelled on a whim.
You have to have the app for "live" timetables and many of the people who would use this service are elderly without the means to access and then use it.
If you want to get "large" or many things from your local shopping centre you have to take your car. There are residents parking areas and double yellow lines everywhere and you are forced to run the risk of being booked.
The alternative is to drive to a superstore or an outlet using roads fit only for cycles and buses!
The guy is as incompetent as the worst members of the cabinet in the last decade and he seems untouchable.
It's either incompetence, or besides not wanting people to have cars they also don't want them moving about. (Occam's razor).Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
Here it is
Even with better metro links and the assassination of Drakeford.......
Unless forced .......most people even with a train line or bus stop outside their house will find an excuse to drive
And that's it
You can increase bus and train provision but unless you have a true metro system ......the tube in London, the metro in tyneside the effects will be negligibleQuote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
The most popular of the three plans ? According to the survey that's the one that has the least effect on car provision
Well that's a surprise
I think you are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Driving a car, although is a necessary for some, is pleasurable to many.
It's both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
All for improving public transport. Would be good to get some segregated busways in if possible, and get these additional train stations built.
I personally think a lot of these bike lanes are bollocks. Just can't see cycling ever being a viable way of commuting for many. The cycle lanes only really seem to be of benefit to recreational cyclists and local authority box tickers
London, Pontcanna, Cardiff Bay... Filled with people who are able to spend their lives without using a car. For the rest, we've got to accept that eventually we'll be either taxed, tolled, or physically prevented from using them. When I think of a typical day I might have just around Cardiff - drive to supermarket, and back. Up to B&Q, then to see my grandson, then back home. Impossible on bike or public transport, but if I just needed to go to those places and not have to bring or take anything, it would take a whole day.
Public transport is great if it's going where you want to when you want to, and you're not transporting anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisp_1927
Him doesn’t drive does he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
There are always exceptions for those who make the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
When I lived in Canton about 12 years ago Newport Bus started running their X30 direct service between Cardiff and Newport via the M4 every 15 or 20 minutes, I forget which. It is now one an hour and has been for a few years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
From Merthyr/Ponty to Cardiff down the A470, Stagecoach trialled running their X4 every 10 minutes. The X4 has gone and the only direct services are half hourly in the WG subsidised Traws Cymru network.
First Cymru trialled a direct service into Cardiff from Maesteg/Bridgend and down the M4. It lasted a year.
You can't say bus operators haven't been willing to give rapid transport to Cardiff a go, but it's simply not been profitable enough and not had good enough patronage. It's a vicious circle - when passenger numbers fall, operators eventually have to reduce frequency on that route. When the frequency is reduced, passenger numbers drop again.
With all of those routes listed above, there are alternatives, albeit slower ones. Between Ponty and Cardiff there's the 132, which goes through Treforest estate, Taffs Well, Tongwynlais, Whitchurch and into Cardiff. That's not particularly appealing for those commuting into Cardiff but those routes make much more money for operators as passengers are regularly getting on and off, often for shortish journeys. Routes like the X30, X4 etc might have a decent load but they'll go for miles without picking up passengers. These days, most bus users have free bus passes, which reimburse operators at a pitiful level and would pay the same to go from Merthyr to Cardiff as they do from Cardiff to Grangetown.
Whose fault is this? Most of it boils down to deregulation, where independant operators run them for profit, not for passengers.
Essentially I think it's a mixture of poor transport planning , geology and lack of train lines in some densely populated areas ........Ely, llanrhumney , St Mellons.....no train service and people liking the independence of having a carQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
For a lot of leisure pursuits public transport is a complete waste of time
I have been in current job only 5 months, almost impossible to get to on public transport but am totally fked off with almost 2 hours on my day driving, have now started looking to get back to the City and a location easily gettable via a bus or train, until i can no longer drive I'll have a car, but i do try and use public transport whenever i can. It is poorly utilised by the public but its a poor service, it's chicken and egg.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
There needs to be a public transport revolution. It needs to be funded through taxation and either no payment or incredibly cheap to use with an almost constant flow of buses, trains etc. It would take years to implement and even longer to convince people of the benefits, a complete culture change that the public would need to get on. Problem is that ir wouldn't be a popular policy amongst certain groups of people and the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I only really drive for work, because my vehicle is my office. If i could hop on and off public transport at a very cheap cost, then i would. I hate driving and the responsibility of a vehicle.
In RCT all buses were free in March. My understanding is that it did little to raise passenger numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
A station at St Mellons was announced over 30 years ago - not a brick in sight yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisp_1927
You live in a big city with trains and busesQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
For some in say parts of the valleys there is one train an hour and it takes over an hour ...into central or queen Street
You can see why say in the winter a woman whose office offers a car park would prefer to drive to work ?
I agree with you that the transport system in Cardiff and its metropolitan area needs massive investment but its the same in Bristol, Leeds , Birmingham etc
Encouraging people to use public transport needs firstly lots of investment and secondly a realisation that people outside of the big urban centres have already relied on a mix of a poor bus or train service and the car
Even parts of Cardiff have no train service
I'm gonna drive foreverQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I'm gonna learn how to fly
Be handy mind, I might fancy cycling there once a year or so!Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
And I can do more than 20 mph without getting a ticket.
And still the thickos will vote for Drakeford and not criticise. :facepalm:
Hardly anyone will cycle because it rains almost every day for nine months of the year, why would you want to go to town, or work like a drowned rat?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Also if there is no brick wall between cars and cyclists the chances of getting killed by some idiot texting or posting on facebook while looking down at their phone for 4 second intervals at a time are quite high.
More so in Wales, he's killing the car, and the planes in Wales both are being axed to oblivion, with no aircraft at the airport and no lanes to drive on, and speeds to make it unpleasurable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Nonsense who in their right mind would wnt to risk that cycle route in the rain day after day, OK in Spain but in Wales the weather is terrible, you need a car.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
Why do you think it's only 1% that commute by bike more than four times a week?
I hope drakeford steps down ASAP but the alternative is another labour leader or the conservativesQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
And there is no way Wales will vote for the fat conservative to run the country
Probably because there are bigger issues for most people. I admire your stance that we should have as many roads as possible, regardless of what ecological problems that causes, and that we should be able to drive as fast as possible, regardless of what effect that has on pedestrians.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
NHS on its arse in the UK - so what, we haven't got enough roads.
Cost of living crisis - so what, we haven't got enough roads.
I think this is far bigger than a single party issue, we almost have to have an immediate ban on cars in City's to enable infrastructure to begin but our modern day living is almost reliant on cars, if the money was available, our current way of life gets in the way, many of us can now work from the home but a welder isn't bringing home a 10 tonne fabrication to plonk on his kitchen table to root, fill and cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
NHS is poor in England, but it's completely on its arse in Wales, as is the economy, instead of Let's take advantage of covid and boost the economy, it was ban the Engish from Wales, and stopped the Welsh moving more than five miles, then lock down longer and keep closed as long as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Now it's let's tax the visitors to Wales with a tourist tax, triple council people's second homes, so they have to sell or commercialise their properties, and let's make life unbearable for landlords and motorists.
Why not? We're Wales. We're not for taking over.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Cardiff Parkway should have been nearly finished by now. Private money in place to build it, Cardiff council approved it and are fully behind it. Welsh government called it in for planning and it's now indefinitely delayed. They're a bloody shambles tbfQuote:
Originally Posted by bobh