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The one, very small, crumb of comfort being that it's beginning to look like the crew did not suffer as it would all have been over in a very short time.
Whatever happened, RIP to the crew and commiserations to their friends and families.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-65967464
I bet Netflix were gutted it was an implosion and they didn't sink to the bottom and slowly suffocate.
Interesting point made by Goose on the main forum
Human lives have been lost , its sad
But this is 5 probably fairly wealthy explorers
Hundreds of people are drowning in migrant boats ?
Where is the coverage of that in comparison ?
Very good point and of course if there is coverage it's always negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It's all blokes etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
You could say that about almost any story. The starkest example by far of this example is the George Floyd murder.
There was loads in the news about the Greek migrant disaster. It led the main news at some points last week, none of them are 'negative' about the story, apart from it being an absolute tragedy and the stories actually mention the number of kids onboard
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-65985001
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ulled-sea.html
I do take the wider point, news values are fkd up, but it's understandable that certain topics catch the public interest sometimes
Even if we had footage of the poor sods near Greece in their final moments it wouldnt get the coverage this titanic survey thing has hadQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yeah but you can say that about anything. At any given point in time there is a massacre, or a catastrophe somewhere on earth. The news would be the same every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
And particularly when that bloke with the big ears had that hat placed on his head; no news about anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It was the same when his mother died.
Well when it comes to the same old news you are the champQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Thanks Sludge, that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
An interesting paragraph from webpage https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65934887
When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500mph (2,414km/h) - that's 2,200ft (671m) per second, says Dave Corley, a former US nuclear submarine officer.
The time required for complete collapse is about one millisecond, or one thousandth of a second.
A human brain responds instinctually to a stimulus at about 25 milliseconds, Mr Corley says. Human rational response - from sensing to acting - is believed to be at best 150 milliseconds.
The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapours.
When the hull collapses, the air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion, Mr Corley says.
Human bodies incinerate and are turned to ash and dust instantly
So many warnings.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65998914
I work in the pressure vessel industry, if you want to put a vessel into service in the UK or Europe, if its holding pressureQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
of 0.5 bar or over, the pressure equipment regulation kicks in, domestic central heating generally runs at 2 to 3 bar, how this
unit was allowed to operate at the depth it was and without regulatory requirement is beyond comprehension, it seems that as
it was in international waters all the code requirements were exempt, deep sea exploration is important IMO but tourism at these depths isn't necessary.
that is interesting , apparently over a thousand women and children on board , but the only survivors were adult malesQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Irresponsible act, leave the dead alone its a bloody graveyard not a sight seeing attraction
I read that article too and, I don't know about you, but I find it almost unbelievable. The speed and timings of events are just incredible, as is the concluding sentence that the human body is instantly incinerated!Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
It reminded me of what I once read about the effect when a high velocity shell hits a tank and goes right through it creating a vacuum which sucks the crew through the exit hole.
Some good may come of this then , as this incident may deter the migrants from using unsuitable submersibles and other non sea worthy vessels . They are much safer on the shores of Europe, rather than risking one's life,Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
death at sea must be dreadful.
A truly inspiring display of empathy. If the people you were referencing weren't actually trying to reach the safe shores of Europe and they were doing it in a submarine then it might have been an inspiring display of accuracy as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
In this case it was High risk - High reward tourism, They thought they had the money to take them down and see the Titanic, Im pretty sure they knew the risks as they certainly knew the rewardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
sounds bad, I hope they're okQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Did they? Everything that keeps coming out seems to suggest the owner/builder of the sub cut every conceivable corner in it’s creation.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
The viewport was only rated for depths of 1500m instead of 4000m
The carbon fibre hull was bought for cheap from Boeing(?) because it’s shelf life had expired.
It hadn’t passed any safety regulations and the owner had been warned multiple times it was a disaster waiting to happen.
I doubt any of that was included in the pamphlet.
These were not idiots, if you are going to do a high risk trip ( and this in everyones world is high risk, its almost 4KM under water, its high risk ) the you do some research, but even with all the research in the world, its still high riskQuote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Yes I am guessing they knew it was a high risk trip, but with that came high risk rewards seeing the Titanic up close
In this case I think its because we have become so used to stories about migrants on the water whereas the titan is a one off event. I'm not justifying it, but one is more newsworthy that the other, given how desensitised we've purportedly become to the plight of migrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
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Originally Posted by blue matt
not really sure that counts as a high risk reward to be honest. not like you can get out and sit on the deckchairs. you can learn about the history online or in the museum, this is just 5 people in a metal tin looking at a hunk of metal through a window. This is just bored rich people who likely dont give a **** about safety regulations.
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Originally Posted by TheGoose
true about the bored rich people, I guess it makes them interesting dining folk :shrug:
A reminder you are talking about five people with families who died in a tragic accident.
It's all 1been very respectful so far though. Nobody is being offensive to them are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
saw something about them recovering some of the sub and some "human remains" not sure how reliable at this stage though
They would not have appreciated just how risky the trip was - as the owner played down the risk factor considerably to all and sundry, it now seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Yes, this was far more of a death trap than those passengers would have known.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie