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FT: LEICESTER CITY 2 - 1 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
Saturday 19th August, ko 3:00pm
King Power Stadium
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Match Officials:
Referee: Graham Scott
Assistant Referee: Timothy Wood
Assistant Referee: Derek Eaton
Fourth Official: James Linington
Tickets:
The away allocation has sold out
Last game:
Cardiff City 1 - 2 Q.P.R.
Cardiff City: Alnwick, Ng, McGuinness, Goutas, O’Dowda, Wintle, Adams (Robinson 54’), Ramsey © (R. Colwill 84’), Bowler (Collins 84’), Grant (Tanner 73’), Ugbo (Etete 84’).
Subs not used: Luthra, Romeo, Simpson, Rinomhota.
Huddersfield Town 0 - 1 Leicester City
Leicester City: Stolarczyk; Pereira (c) (Choudhury 84), Faes, Vestergaard, Doyle; Marcal-Madivadua (Ndidi 55), Winks, Dewsbury-Hall; Praet (Albrighton 84), Iheanacho (Vardy 67), Mavididi
Substitutes not used: Ward (GK), Iversen (GK); Justin, Thomas, Nelson
Opposition Manager:
Enzo Maresca
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Re: LEICESTER CITY v CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
Mr Scott doth like a “red card” !!!!
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On the next episode of "Will I be happy or will I be sad?"...
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
On the next episode of "Will I be happy or will I be sad?"...
You'll be sad and frustrated because we will play well in patches, and lose three one to Leicester, two of them misplaced passes.
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Could do with one of those Ku Klux Klan looking things to hide behind for this.
I just can't see it being anything but a mauling
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Any news on Ralls and Adams knocks?
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Originally Posted by
PhyllisStant
Any news on Ralls and Adams knocks?
Joe said last night that he hopes to be available on Saturday
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I have to say, I'd much rather be playing this lot in September.
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
I have to say, I'd much rather be playing this lot in September.
Tad unfortunate to play both Leicester & Leeds in August
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Yes I do fear for us here, especially with our defence.
I think we may struggle even with Ralls added to the eleven!
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Alsopp
Romeo
Ng
Goutas
O'Dowda
Bowler
Ralls (if fit)
Ramsey
Wintle (unfortunately)
Robinson
Ugbo
4-0 Leicester.
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I am working on the positive assumptions that we can't possibly be as bad as last week, that Bulut will have put the proverbial bulut up a few backsides, and that Leicester will be caught off guard.
Please correct me if I am missing any injuries:-
Alsopp
Romeo
McGuiness
Goutas
Collins
Bowler
Ralls
Ramsey
Wintle
O'Dowda
Robinson
2:2 (yes, we concede last minute equaliser).
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Allsop? Really?
Oops, I copied, pasted and changed from the previous post. No, the other one.
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Originally Posted by
City123
Tad unfortunate to play both Leicester & Leeds in August
And Ipswich so soon….
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Leicester’s results have been better than their performances. We can win this.
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Originally Posted by
City123
Tad unfortunate to play both Leicester & Leeds in August
Not particularly hopeful of a result but I think the argument the other way would be you hope to play the relegated teams early in the season, when they maybe haven’t completely sussed the style of play in division out, have a post relegation hangover and maybe have a few disgruntled players whose heart isn’t in it because they are looking for moves away.
Think you can probably make the argument that we caught Leeds by surprise in the first half, and maybe some of the factors above played some part?
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Re: LEICESTER CITY v CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Alsopp
Romeo
Ng
Goutas
O'Dowda
Bowler
Ralls (if fit)
Ramsey
Wintle (unfortunately)
Robinson
Ugbo
4-0 Leicester.
Alsopp was a mistake I did mean to put in Alnwick, but none theless i'll revise this and stick both of the new boys straight in.
Runarsson
Romeo
Ng
Goutas
O'Dowda
Bowler
Ralls
Ramsey
Siopis
Robinson
Ugbo
3-0 Leicester
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Alsopp was a mistake I did mean to put in Alnwick, but none theless i'll revise this and stick both of the new boys straight in.
Runarsson
Romeo
Ng
Goutas
O'Dowda
Bowler
Ralls
Ramsey
Siopis
Robinson
Ugbo
3-0 Leicester
I can't see the new 'keeper starting, Alnwick hasn't done an awful lot wrong so far.
NG will be right-back and McGuiness will also start.
However, I do think there's a possibility the new defensive midfielder will start or at least be introduced midway during the second half.
4-2 Leicester
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Alsopp was a mistake I did mean to put in Alnwick, but none theless i'll revise this and stick both of the new boys straight in.
Runarsson
Romeo
Ng
Goutas
O'Dowda
Bowler
Ralls
Ramsey
Siopis
Robinson
Ugbo
3-0 Leicester
Youd axe McGuinness and leave Goutas in and add Romeo to the back 4.??
That defence looks shocking.
I suppose its all about opinions.
McGuinness so far looks the only one anywhere near good enough. Goutas looks well dodgy.
Id stick with Ng at RB as hes just much better than Romeo. If Goutas just isnt up to it and we dont sign a CB then maybe put Romeo at RB and Ng at CB but I still think that makes a dodgy back 4.
Allnwick Ng McGuinness Goutas O Dowda Wintle Ralls Ramsey Robinson Ugbo Bowler.
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Youd axe McGuinness and leave Goutas in and add Romeo to the back 4.??
That defence looks shocking.
I suppose its all about opinions.
McGuinness so far looks the only one anywhere near good enough. Goutas looks well dodgy.
Id stick with Ng at RB as hes just much better than Romeo. If Goutas just isnt up to it and we dont sign a CB then maybe put Romeo at RB and Ng at CB but I still think that makes a dodgy back 4.
Allnwick Ng McGuinness Goutas O Dowda Wintle Ralls Ramsey Robinson Ugbo Bowler.
Don't rate McGuiness one bit. Ng isn't a right back. Not by the modern requirements anyway.
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Don't rate McGuiness one bit. Ng isn't a right back. Not by the modern requirements anyway.
Fair enough but im genuinely stunned after our 2 openers that anyone would select Goutas over McGuinness even if we were making a change.
I hope Goutas improves , far too early to write him off but im genuinely concerned about CB. I think we are a injury to McGuinness to being in a disastrous position.
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Don't rate McGuiness one bit. Ng isn't a right back. Not by the modern requirements anyway.
McGuiness struggles like hell when he has time to think, same as loads of defenders at this level. Put him in a position (Like the leeds game) where he has to react, then he does ok, like Lee Peltier did ok when he was getting pressured to shit and back during our Premier league season. Contrary to what some fans think, having to react as opposed to playing, is quite easy for defenders. Somebody else is dictating how they have to play, think etc. Most of them can just stop other players. Give them time on the ball, give them time to think etc, as much part of defending these days as defending a set piece. Then we see how good players are.
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Don't rate McGuiness one bit. Ng isn't a right back. Not by the modern requirements anyway.
Ng isn't a centre back in a back four - and Bulut shows no sign of playing a back three.
If he's not a right back he won't get on the pitch.
I do rate McGunness (although he has some errors in him that need to be ironed out - and Tuerto has seen things that concern me) but I am convinced by the assessment of Bulut (and other managers) that he has the potential to be a Premier League defender.
I also think Ng is a right back - but with limitations. Romeo is safer, but less creative.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
McGuiness struggles like hell when he has time to think, same as loads of defenders at this level. Put him in a position (Like the leeds game) where he has to react, then he does ok, like Lee Peltier did ok when he was getting pressured to shit and back during our Premier league season. Contrary to what some fans think, having to react as opposed to playing, is quite easy for defenders. Somebody else is dictating how they have to play, think etc. Most of them can just stop other players. Give them time on the ball, give them time to think etc, as much part of defending these days as defending a set piece. Then we see how good players are.
Not a bad summary that, desperation defending isn't a good barometer of a players worth. Like you say, given time he struggles massively and is easily one of our worst decision makers, the amount of balls he aimlessly just punts over the top expecting a winger to have Usain Bolt levels of speed is absurd.
My preference for Ng being at centre back is also due to his decision making, he gets halfway up the pitch and then forgets which way the goals are, he isn't a RWB by any measure, which is what is expected of anyone occupying his position in 2023.
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Don't rate McGuiness one bit. Ng isn't a right back. Not by the modern requirements anyway.
He isn't a centre back either, certainly not in a back 4
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
McGuiness struggles like hell when he has time to think, same as loads of defenders at this level. Put him in a position (Like the leeds game) where he has to react, then he does ok, like Lee Peltier did ok when he was getting pressured to shit and back during our Premier league season. Contrary to what some fans think, having to react as opposed to playing, is quite easy for defenders. Somebody else is dictating how they have to play, think etc. Most of them can just stop other players. Give them time on the ball, give them time to think etc, as much part of defending these days as defending a set piece. Then we see how good players are.
It's why they're defenders, if they could think they'd be playing higher up the pitch (at this level at least). Even now most defenders prefer the more "archaic" side of the game (blocks, tackles etc). Joe Rodon comes to mind as a good example of the difference between good and ok defenders, he's fine at the reactive side of defending, blocks, tackles and so on but when he has to think he falls apart (ironically leading to more blocks and tackles because his positioning's so poor). 20 years ago he possibly gets away with it and wouldn't have bombed at Spurs, but not now
As much as some people say a lot of attacking play is "instinctive", it really isn't, it just looks that way at the top because the very best make it look easy. They're constantly making decisions and being proactive (well, they should be) and needing to be brave in taking risks
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Not a bad summary that, desperation defending isn't a good barometer of a players worth. Like you say, given time he struggles massively and is easily one of our worst decision makers, the amount of balls he aimlessly just punts over the top expecting a winger to have Usain Bolt levels of speed is absurd.
My preference for Ng being at centre back is also due to his decision making, he gets halfway up the pitch and then forgets which way the goals are, he isn't a RWB by any measure, which is what is expected of anyone occupying his position in 2023.
Obviously. Defenders are going to have to do that backs to the wall shit from time to time, especially playing for us at the moment. Problem is when it becomes the norm, a regular thing. It's absolutely desperate stuff for long periods of time. The less we have to do it, the better we are at keeping the ball. When we play at home and the emphasis is on us to go out and win the bloody game ( I know,,,,) then our midfield and defence have real problems, especially if the opposition sit a little deeper and invite us to play, in short, we struggle, because for the best part, we can't play. As it stands, we are a better team when we have to react to a situation, we can't dictate the play, the style or tempo. Until that can happen then desperate defending and aimless balls will continue.
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Originally Posted by
City123
It's why they're defenders, if they could think they'd be playing higher up the pitch (at this level at least). Even now most defenders prefer the more "archaic" side of the game (blocks, tackles etc). Joe Rodon comes to mind as a good example of the difference between good and ok defenders, he's fine at the reactive side of defending, blocks, tackles and so on but when he has to think he falls apart (ironically leading to more blocks and tackles because his positioning's so poor). 20 years ago he possibly gets away with it and wouldn't have bombed at Spurs, but not now
As much as some people say a lot of attacking play is "instinctive", it really isn't, it just looks that way at the top because the very best make it look easy. They're constantly making decisions and being proactive (well, they should be) and needing to be brave in taking risks
You do a dis service to defenders, or coaching, maybe both :hehe: This is championship football as well, not League 2, plenty of these players would have had some serious investment in terms of coaching etc. Defenders do need to know how to play a bit, they're in a unique position where the game is in front of them, they're the eyes and ears of the team. I don't think anyone is expecting miracles, but the ability to carry the ball 10 yards and make a comfortable pass or show a bit of composure should be a given for most defenders at Championship level. Sadly, it isn't.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
You do a dis service to defenders, or coaching, maybe both :hehe: This is championship football as well, not League 2, plenty of these players would have had some serious investment in terms of coaching etc. Defenders do need to know how to play a bit, they're in a unique position where the game is in front of them, they're the eyes and ears of the team. I don't think anyone is expecting miracles, but the ability to carry the ball 10 yards and make a comfortable pass or show a bit of composure should be a given for most defenders at Championship level. Sadly, it isn't.
Oh absolutely, they're a million times better than the average person but when compared with their peers there is a reason they aren't the ones (generally) making things happen and some of that is mental rather than just purely physical or technical
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Originally Posted by
LA Bluebird
Not particularly hopeful of a result but I think the argument the other way would be you hope to play the relegated teams early in the season, when they maybe haven’t completely sussed the style of play in division out, have a post relegation hangover and maybe have a few disgruntled players whose heart isn’t in it because they are looking for moves away.
Think you can probably make the argument that we caught Leeds by surprise in the first half, and maybe some of the factors above played some part?
Compare the attack they've put out tonight to the one they did against us, I imagine we'd have held on against that lot
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COME ON CITY!!!!
LET'S DO A LEEDS AWAY AND NOT A QPR AT HOME PLEASE :ayatollah:
LESS BALL WATCHING MORE EFFORT!
**** 'EM UP AND GET INTO 'EM!!!!!!!!
:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:
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Gotta be honest, not sure where NG fits in when we play 4 at the back. He's great in a 3 CB system, but he's pretty poor positionally as a RB and pretty hopeless as 1 of 2 CBs. Romeo has to start for me at RB.
Mcguiness and Goutas.. Still has a long way to go to strike up a good partnership and convince me.
Left back... O dowda wasted there so would start him on left forward position... While JC is returning to fitness I may be tempted to play Ralls at LB.
Really really disappointed with wintle so far... People say Sawyers 'legs have gone'... But then wintle stops whenever he receives the ball and looks to pass sideways or backwards or those diagonal balls which were intercepted every time against qpr... So sawyers might have well have played because at least hes positive and is a much better passer... Wintle stops and slows everything down. Sawyers starts for me at home but away he maybbe a luxury we can ill afford. Adams starts for me against Leicester... Who to partner him with is the issue assuming our new greek god isnt ready to start.
I'd start Robinson up front with odowda behind on the left and bowler on the right and rambo in the 10.
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
COME ON CITY!!!!
LET'S DO A LEEDS AWAY AND NOT A QPR AT HOME PLEASE :ayatollah:
LESS BALL WATCHING MORE EFFORT!
**** 'EM UP AND GET INTO 'EM!!!!!!!!
:ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:
please not a Leeds away second half, that was a lot worse than anything we did against qpr
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It wouldnt suprise me if Adams plays today we see a red.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
please not a Leeds away second half, that was a lot worse than anything we did against qpr
It wasnt a lot worse. At least we defended well.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
please not a Leeds away second half, that was a lot worse than anything we did against qpr
Hard disagree.
The first half against a bad QPR side was 10x worse than the second half against a good Leeds side.
We defended like it was The Alamo and they got through because of a ridiculously lucky bounce. The effort was amazing and you can see how crushed our players were when that went in. Brutal.
QPR first half was just plain shit.
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
Hard disagree.
The first half against a bad QPR side was 10x worse than the second half against a good Leeds side.
We defended like it was The Alamo and they got through because of a ridiculously lucky bounce. The effort was amazing and you can see how crushed our players were when that went in. Brutal.
QPR first half was just plain shit.
well agree to disagree then, first half against QPR was 2 pretty crap sides, and we went in a goal down due to an individual error.
second half against Leeds was men Vs boys , they absolutely battered us for 45 minutes, we barely got the ball into their half, even if we draw a big premier League side in a cup I hope I don't see us outclassed like that again.
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Ng not in the squad. Is he injured.?
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Re: LEICESTER CITY v CARDIFF CITY. Match thread
Cardiff City XI: Alnwick; Romeo, McGuinness, Goutas, Collins; Wintle, Ralls; Bowler, Ramsey, O'Dowda; Ugbo.
Subs: Runarsson, Etete, Grant, Adams, Meite, Siopis, Simpson, Tanner, Robinson.