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End of the honeymoon period for Erol Bulut?
Lessons not being learned as two goal lead is blown for the third time.
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the other bob wilson
Thanks Bob. Your write-ups are usually very good, this one is even better. A great example of how to balance and style a piece of writing.
I watched most of the game via a dodgy stream which gave up on me just after half time. Therefore had the pleasure of watching a very good performance and then the frustration of listening to the self destruction on the radio. And I think that is the thing that really stings about our poor results when they happen: they are SO self-imposed, whether it be non-sensical changes or player errors. These have to be eradicated or, what I think still could potentially be a good season, could turn into the chaos and shambles that we are slowly becoming accustomed to.
I know it is still way too early in the season for this normally to be the case but I believe that the next game up will be key to how things pan out. Both the manager and the team have to get things right, from the first whistle to the last. I really hope that they do.
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Good read as always Bob.
With regard to Bulut's honeymoon period being over, beat the JBs in a fortnight and he will be forgiven a few other mistakes along the way, in his learning curve of the Championship. I think he is having problems adjusting to managing in the English football league at the moment. Hopefully a lot of those issues will be ironed out over the next fortnight.
Lose, and most of he goodwill towards him will surely disappear. I hope he has the players psyched up enough. If not, we need to summon up Dai Hunt to make an appearance in the dressing room pre-match game. Only joking with that last sentence. I do fear for our soft underbelly though with that important game coming up though.
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He has never had a honeymoon period on here as do none of the players - been the same for years now
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Nobody's Rep
He has never had a honeymoon period on here as do none of the players - been the same for years now
And that’s how it should be. These people are highly-paid professionals, not keen amateurs. Their jobs are to get results and they get handsomely paid to do so.
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Mr Soul '68
Good read as always Bob.
With regard to Bulut's honeymoon period being over, beat the JBs in a fortnight and he will be forgiven a few other mistakes along the way, in his learning curve of the Championship. I think he is having problems adjusting to managing in the English football league at the moment. Hopefully a lot of those issues will be ironed out over the next fortnight.
Lose, and most of he goodwill towards him will surely disappear. I hope he has the players psyched up enough. If not, we need to summon up Dai Hunt to make an appearance in the dressing room pre-match game. Only joking with that last sentence. I do fear for our soft underbelly though with that important game coming up though.
The knives will well and truly be out of we lose to them.
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I dont think realistically there was a honeymoon period. Hes a left field unknown manager with no experience at this level who still could be anything.
We played some good football yesterday and it wasnt the horrible slow walk it to the half way line possession game Morison inflicted on us We passed it around with some pace. However over the years ive seen a lot of sides below us in the league who have passed it around for fun but weve comfortably seen off.
What we saw after half time was a complete tactical shambles and he continued with a bad press conference.
As well as the tactics though is our squads fitness levels below what is needed at this level. Is that a contributing factor to us folding in games.
To stay up we cant have a squad who have not done enough fitness work pre season and the squad certainly cant have a manager making such bizarre changes as yesterday.
Lets see where we are after 10-12 games. By then the excuses will be over.
Its no good passing it better and being easier on the eye and keep losing.
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Paul, great article. I particularly like the point you allude to in that the manager is not always right and that the fans can see glaringly mistakes of selection or tactics.
Bulut had a terrible day yesterday and used up a lot, if not all, the credit afforded to new managers. The Swansea match is going to be a big one for him
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Undercoverinwurzelland
The knives will well and truly be out of we lose to them.
It depends how we lose. If the players show up, put a shift in and don't do anything stupid I will begrudgingly accept defeat. For now. As long as we can stay away from the drop zone, I'm prepared to give Bulut some time to adjust. There's certainly been an improvement in our general play. I'd like to see what the club and Bulut do in January.
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NYCBlue
It depends how we lose. If the players show up, put a shift in and don't do anything stupid I will begrudgingly accept defeat. For now. As long as we can stay away from the drop zone, I'm prepared to give Bulut some time to adjust. There's certainly been an improvement in our general play. I'd like to see what the club and Bulut do in January.
I'd agree with that. Many won't though.
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Undercoverinwurzelland
I'd agree with that. Many won't though.
I doubt Vincent Tan would.
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If Tan did sack him though ,he’d probably get a furious reaction from the fans and media.
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TWGL1
If Tan did sack him though ,he’d probably get a furious reaction from the fans and media.
As if he’d care about that…
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WJ99mobile
Morrison MKIi
Harsh. It'll take time to undo the damage Morison and Hudson did to this team.
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PontBlue
Harsh. It'll take time to undo the damage Morison and Hudson did to this team.
In what way?
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the other bob wilson
That's the problem, isn't it. Mistakes, errors, losses of concentration, they all happen sometimes, but it seems a trait with this City team. Same as the last two home games where sloppy, mis-placed passes were too frequent. I don't think we have a 'leader' in defence. Kipre, Bamba, Morrison, all strong leaders. Whilst McGuiness is my stand-out player for City, with Goutas alongside him there doesn't seem to be someone organizing, pointing, shouting. If there's one position that needs filling it's centre back [alongside McGuiness]
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Morison is now managing in the 7th tier and I couldn't see any improvement in the team or individuals under his stewardship but I'm seeing progress even if yesterday was a few steps back.
Hopefully Bulut learns from the mistakes he made yesterday and make us more resilient without sacrificing the exciting attacking play.
It'll also take the players time to regain confidence only regularly winning can bring.
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The Lone Gunman
And that’s how it should be. These people are highly-paid professionals, not keen amateurs. Their jobs are to get results and they get handsomely paid to do so.
Don't disagree but there is a difference between having a honeymoon period and people calling for his head after 5 games.
Regardless of how much someone is paid this a human being profession so it can take time for people to change habits etc and for those individuals to perform as a team.
Time is something as a club and it's fans and supporters in various guides don't seem to let people have hence our revolving door for managers and expensive turn around of players and no stability at the club.
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Nobody's Rep
Don't disagree but there is a difference between having a honeymoon period and people calling for his head after 5 games.
Regardless of how much someone is paid this a human being profession so it can take time for people to change habits etc and for those individuals to perform as a team.
Time is something as a club and it's fans and supporters in various guides don't seem to let people have hence our revolving door for managers and expensive turn around of players and no stability at the club.
Don’t think anyone is calling for the manager to sacked are they?
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the other bob wilson
Don’t think anyone is calling for the manager to sacked are they?
No but if he continues to fail to get results then the question needs to be asked.
It would be good to compare to Morison’s first few games where we did look like we were going somewhere.
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the other bob wilson
Don’t think anyone is calling for the manager to sacked are they?
On various social media platforms yes apparently
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I think it would be good for bulut to step up and accept he made a faux pas on Saturday
So far he's been a breath of fresh air and for him to accept he messed up would be brilliant to move forward
He's getting most things right
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Which is the bigger problem, being unable to score any goals, or scoring two almost every game but making daft mistakes?
I would say we are in a much better position than we were most of last season, especially Hudsons team, we need to work as a team defensively and stop the soft goals, easier said than done I know, but most Managers far prefer this problem and going back to basics can usually cure these issues quite quickly.
The first half was brilliant and a real surprise we completely outplayed them and could have really got another two, Meite should have scored and Grant cut inside a few times and wasn't far away and their keeper made some great saves.
Swansea is a massive game, Duff is under massive pressure and will probably get the sack if we stuff them after his comments his position is untenable, its the World Cup final to them. Bulut will also be under a lot of pressure now, but personally, regardless of the result I would stick with him, I feel despite the disappointment we are moving in the right direction.
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I don’t understand Bulut bringing on Panzo, wouldn’t it be better, to have let him train with the squad over the international break and then consider him for the Swansea game ?
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SOXY BOY
I don’t understand Bulut bringing on Panzo, wouldn’t it be better, to have let him train with the squad over the international break and then consider him for the Swansea game ?
We have 3 centre backs there
I am sure in rotation we will be ok
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WJ99mobile
It would be good to compare to Morison’s first few games where we did look like we were going somewhere.
First five league games last season under Morison:
Won 2, drew 1, lost 2, scored 3, conceded 4, points 7
First five league games this season under Bulut:
Won 1, drew 1, lost 3, scored 8, conceded 10, points 4
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The Lone Gunman
First five league games last season under Morison:
Won 2, drew 1, lost 2, scored 3, conceded 4, points 7
First five league games this season under Bulut:
Won 1, drew 1, lost 3, scored 8, conceded 10, points 4
Yes he got a couple of results early on but I seem to remember everybody wondering when we were gonna play some football.This season so far seems to be the polar opposite,some good football but bad results which makes it more baffling considering the good stuff being played.
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The Lone Gunman
First five league games last season under Morison:
Won 2, drew 1, lost 2, scored 3, conceded 4, points 7
First five league games this season under Bulut:
Won 1, drew 1, lost 3, scored 8, conceded 10, points 4
Pretty much as it seems then, think we have looked noticeably more attractive on the ball and going forward but looking poorer going towards our own goal. Just seem a bit of a mess when teams have a go, unable to turn momentum back in our favour.
Of course such a small sample size, will be interesting to look at after the next 5.
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sneggyblubird
Yes he got a couple of results early on but I seem to remember everybody wondering when we were gonna play some football.
The Birmingham game early last season was only a 1-0 victory but was a distance better in terms of the football than either of the two home games so far this season. City were pretty good that day:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62445400
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Bin him. Very questionable decision making which makes him a high risk. Who in their right mind does that (unprompted!) in the second half alone
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Blooburd
Bin him. Very questionable decision making which makes him a high risk. Who in their right mind does that (unprompted!) in the second half alone
Most Managers go more defensive when they are two nil up in the second half, it's common practice to tighten things up play on the break and when the gaps open nick a thrid.
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North Cardiff Blue
Most Managers go more defensive when they are two nil up in the second half, it's common practice to tighten things up play on the break and when the gaps open nick a thrid.
We went defensive at 2-1. With half hour to play that is asking for trouble.
Not convinced by Bulut so far, the next set of games before the October break will be telling considering 4 of those fixtures are at home and on paper all winnable.
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It's tricky, it looks great when it works, but often you invite pressure and it fails. If he had gone more attacking and we still lost I guarantee all the posts would be that he's stupid and why didn't he shore it up and keep the lead?
The jury is out and he's under real pressure, we can't score three goals a game just to get a draw it's ridiculous, and his players are letting him down defensively.
We've had tough away games so far, QPR was terrible and we are a bit unlucky not to have three or four more points, after Swansea I think we will be okay and improve and pick up the points, the team should learn from this a few weeks off games should help.
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North Cardiff Blue
It's tricky, it looks great when it works, but often you invite pressure and it fails. If he had gone more attacking and we still lost I guarantee all the posts would be that he's stupid and why didn't he shore it up and keep the lead?
The jury is out and he's under real pressure, we can't score three goals a game just to get a draw it's ridiculous, and his players are letting him down defensively.
We've had tough away games so far, QPR was terrible and we are a bit unlucky not to have three or four more points, after Swansea I think we will be okay and improve and pick up the points, the team should learn from this a few weeks off games should help.
He shouldn't be under pressure
And he probably isn't
But on here certain factions of our support will only be happy if they can moan and talk nonsense about tactics
He's deffo got to put the Ipswich cock up behind him but I am sure that's being looked at
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North Cardiff Blue
It's tricky, it looks great when it works, but often you invite pressure and it fails. If he had gone more attacking and we still lost I guarantee all the posts would be that he's stupid and why didn't he shore it up and keep the lead?
The jury is out and he's under real pressure, we can't score three goals a game just to get a draw it's ridiculous, and his players are letting him down defensively.
We've had tough away games so far, QPR was terrible and we are a bit unlucky not to have three or four more points, after Swansea I think we will be okay and improve and pick up the points, the team should learn from this a few weeks off games should help.
Yes and if we had defended well as he would have intended he'd be called a tactical genius by some.
Truth is we have no idea how good he really is or will be for us. I'm more than happy to concede he knows far more about football management than me and even more so the qualities of the squad at his disposal.
He deserves time, what is it 8 new signings again, we just need a settled squad and manager for a bit.
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SOXY BOY
I don’t understand Bulut bringing on Panzo, wouldn’t it be better, to have let him train with the squad over the international break and then consider him for the Swansea game ?
He was actually signed weeks ago and had
probably spent plenty of time with the squad.
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The Lone Gunman
The Birmingham game early last season was only a 1-0 victory but was a distance better in terms of the football than either of the two home games so far this season. City were pretty good that day:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62445400
Maybe for that game and we only scrapped past Wed I'll admit but that side hadn't faced any team near the quality of the sides we.ve faced so far.Theres no doubt we have more quality now and yet managed to snatch defeat our of the jaws of victory in 2 of our last 3 away matches.
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SOXY BOY
I don’t understand Bulut bringing on Panzo, wouldn’t it be better, to have let him train with the squad over the international break and then consider him for the Swansea game ?
Yes.
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Wash DC Blue
He was actually signed weeks ago and had probably spent plenty of time with the squad.
:hehe:
Nice one.