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Wonderful
https://apple.news/A9MogDigCTlqRs8DVJUNm3A
And everyone will have “speeding points” before long !!!!
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BLUETIT
Cost of vehicle insurance has gone up full stop, and slightly more for electric by the look of it. According to the article £24 a year difference? Pretty sure you'd cover that with lower running cost
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bluesp
Cost of vehicle insurance has gone up full stop, and slightly more for electric by the look of it. According to the article £24 a year difference? Pretty sure you'd cover that with lower running cost
It will have to go down next year it's almost impossible to have a bump into anything at 20mph!!!
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bluesp
Cost of vehicle insurance has gone up full stop, and slightly more for electric by the look of it. According to the article £24 a year difference? Pretty sure you'd cover that with lower running cost
Doesn’t seem much, I assume the value of an electric car is generally higher?
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2b2bdoo
Doesn’t seem much, I assume the value of an electric car is generally higher?
I’ve got a hybrid currently, and did a bit of research into affordability of electric cars last year. Yes electric models are more expensive, I’m hoping when I’m due to change in a couple of years that the gap will have narrowed a bit.
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bluesp
I’ve got a hybrid currently, and did a bit of research into affordability of electric cars last year. Yes electric models are more expensive, I’m hoping when I’m due to change in a couple of years that the gap will have narrowed a bit.
how do you find a hybrid ?
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bluesp
I’ve got a hybrid currently, and did a bit of research into affordability of electric cars last year. Yes electric models are more expensive, I’m hoping when I’m due to change in a couple of years that the gap will have narrowed a bit.
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poc
how do you find a hybrid ?
I’d also like to hear your experience of a hybrid. I’m in the market for a new motor and one of the options is a hybrid. In theory it seems to make the most sense and has great mpg and much better range than just electric.
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Michael Morris
I’d also like to hear your experience of a hybrid. I’m in the market for a new motor and one of the options is a hybrid. In theory it seems to make the most sense and has great mpg and much better range than just electric.
I am happy with my 10 year old Mercedes diesel...(!)...Does 50mpg even at top of speed limits...but if I WAS in the market to change I would certainly go for a hybrid rather than electric......Toyota Prius seem to have a lasting pedigree.
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Maurice Swan
I am happy with my 10 year old Mercedes diesel...(!)...Does 50mpg even at top of speed limits...but if I WAS in the market to change I would certainly go for a hybrid rather than electric......Toyota Prius seem to have a lasting pedigree.
Consider yourself lucky that you don’t live in or near a ULEZ then, and have to face paying £12.50 a day or selling what is a perfectly usable car :-/
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bluesp
Cost of vehicle insurance has gone up full stop, and slightly more for electric by the look of it. According to the article £24 a year difference? Pretty sure you'd cover that with lower running cost
How do you work that out when on average an electric car costs up to 40% more than a conventional combustion engine car , the equivalent car I have costs around £25,000 more and it’s a lesser model and looks awful.
Depreciation costs plummet as well on EV’s
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bluesp
Cost of vehicle insurance has gone up full stop, and slightly more for electric by the look of it. According to the article £24 a year difference? Pretty sure you'd cover that with lower running cost
My insurance with M & S has gone down the last 2 years
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TWGL1
How do you work that out when on average an electric car costs up to 40% more than a conventional combustion engine car , the equivalent car I have costs around £25,000 more and it’s a lesser model and looks awful.
Depreciation costs plummet as well on EV’s
He said the cost of insuring an EV is about £24 more than an ICE. He then said that this is likely covered by the reduced cost of running one.
And he is right. Mileage is materially free on an EV. My EV costs £75k and it costs me less to run (with all the depreciation etc) than a ford fiesta.
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Really like having the hybrid, to answer the above questions. Definitely has changed my driving style a bit, especially when I first had it - you look for ways to encourage the car in to EV mode such as coming off the gas, not accelerating hard, etc. Overall in the 13 months I’ve had it I’m averaging 47 mpg, not as good as the 50 plus of my diesel van but pretty good for a petrol based vehicle. Mine is a self charging one, so ni plugging in required and with the 20 limits coming in I’m expecting more EV usage around towns. another benefit is the cracking acceleration if needed that the electric adds to the ICE, nice surprise when you first put your foot down. Overall I’d highly recommend getting one, or at the very least going for a test drive.
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bluesp
Really like having the hybrid, to answer the above questions. Definitely has changed my driving style a bit, especially when I first had it - you look for ways to encourage the car in to EV mode such as coming off the gas, not accelerating hard, etc. Overall in the 13 months I’ve had it I’m averaging 47 mpg, not as good as the 50 plus of my diesel van but pretty good for a petrol based vehicle. Mine is a self charging one, so ni plugging in required and with the 20 limits coming in I’m expecting more EV usage around towns. another benefit is the cracking acceleration if needed that the electric adds to the ICE, nice surprise when you first put your foot down. Overall I’d highly recommend getting one, or at the very least going for a test drive.
thanks :thumbup:
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Optimistic Nick
He said the cost of insuring an EV is about £24 more than an ICE. He then said that this is likely covered by the reduced cost of running one.
And he is right. Mileage is materially free on an EV. My EV costs £75k and it costs me less to run (with all the depreciation etc) than a ford fiesta.
I’m assuming you’re cost savings are being met via a company benefit in kind ( salary sacrifice) , which we offer , and a Tesla can result in huge savings.
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bluesp
Really like having the hybrid, to answer the above questions. Definitely has changed my driving style a bit, especially when I first had it - you look for ways to encourage the car in to EV mode such as coming off the gas, not accelerating hard, etc. Overall in the 13 months I’ve had it I’m averaging 47 mpg, not as good as the 50 plus of my diesel van but pretty good for a petrol based vehicle. Mine is a self charging one, so ni plugging in required and with the 20 limits coming in I’m expecting more EV usage around towns. another benefit is the cracking acceleration if needed that the electric adds to the ICE, nice surprise when you first put your foot down. Overall I’d highly recommend getting one, or at the very least going for a test drive.
I agree with you about a hybrid changing your driving style. I have a self charging hybrid which monitors your driving style and and the accompanying App shows the route of your last journey and where my acceleration was a bit much or where I braked too hard. It definitely focusses the mind. I’ve had my current hybrid since January and the onboard system tells me that I am averaging 70 mpg. My visits to the filling station are certainly fewer.
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I'm waiting on delivery of a Volvo EV, need to organise a charging point to be fitted, who did the guys with EV's use?
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mrbluejay
I'm waiting on delivery of a Volvo EV, need to organise a charging point to be fitted, who did the guys with EV's use?
I used Pod Point. Pre installation survey process was simple. Turned up at the appointed time, did a good job. No problems.
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TWGL1
I’m assuming you’re cost savings are being met via a company benefit in kind ( salary sacrifice) , which we offer , and a Tesla can result in huge savings.
Correct. Our company car scheme churns out almost exclusively EVs now. We have a list of lead times for cars where they can't meet demand and it is again almost exclusively EV. If you want a Porsche Taycan, the wait is over 2 years. BMW, Audi, VW, Skoda all over a year. The shortest lead times are on the teslas where it is 6 months. I've extended the lease on my current EV by a year because I can't get a new one!
Don't get me wrong: this demand is borne of the fact that for the first time in my working life, there is something approaching a tax-free benefit that is actually worth having. But it's meant I went for EV and having done so, I now know just how easy it is to run one. I won't be going back.
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We have that, too. They fit a new mini consumer unit thing so you don't need to worry about having space for it. Audi arranged ours as part of the deal for the car.
However if I was doing it again I'd look at getting a smart charger compatable with smart tariffs like Agile Octopus. It's not much good at the moment but a while go it meant you got paid to charge, and if energy prices drop that might become a possibility again.
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Hidden Environment Cost of an EV
More C02, tyre wear , damage to road surface (2.24 times more stress to road surface ) ,2,000 deaths per year etc
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petrol and diesel cars to be banned in the Swedish Capitol 2025 :thumbup::wave:
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ToTaL ITK
petrol and diesel cars to be banned in the Swedish Capitol 2025 :thumbup::wave:
I’m not Swedish ,and it’s another psychop as they clearly don’t benefit the environment
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Watching a program last night and I found out a fact that I didn’t know!
Electric cars can’t be towed if they break down (sorry, that if, should be WHEN)
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It will have to go down next year it's almost impossible to have a bump into anything at 20mph!!!
I read somewhere that 20mph roads have MORE minor shunts than higher speeds.
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bobh
I read somewhere that 20mph roads have MORE minor shunts than higher speeds.
Two reasons for this, 1) spending too much time looking at their speedo’s (not the swimming trunks type) 2) f uck ing nodding off through boredom !!!!
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Looks like EVs will cost an average of £3.4k more from January, when tariff exemptions end.
Good old Brexit.
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I read somewhere that 20mph roads have MORE minor shunts than higher speeds.
I've read in more than one place the exact opposite.
we've also had people claiming that it's easier to pull out onto traffic at 30 mph than 20 mph and a "doctor" who claimed that cars hitting pedestrians are safer at 30 than 20 because the pedestrian is knocked out of the way rather than going under the car.
people just make up any old shore that confirms what they already thought
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Love my Hybrid , completely altered my driving behaviours for the better , it such a calming ride ,prey the rise drops so all folk can grab one .
Perhaps the Welsh Government could really help the environment drag back the 33 million badly its spending on 20mph spends and other shite soft policy projects , and subsidy working class folk to buy one ,now that is a real green policy for the people .
Cheapest hybrid cars
Renault Clio E-Tech Hybrid - £21,995
Toyota Yaris - £22,110
Dacia Jogger Hybrid 140 - £22,595
Mazda 2 Hybrid - £22,720
Honda Jazz - £22,930
Suzuki Vitara Full Hybrid - £23,249
Toyota Yaris Cross - £24,840
Renault Captur E-Tech Hybrid - £25,695
Hyundai Kona Hybrid - £26,315
Suzuki S-Cross Hybrid - £27,249
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Had a plug in hybrid (A3) since mid August.
Plug in because it attracts a much better BIK value than the self-charging version, saving a fortune on tax.
Charge via an standard garden 240v socket, from empty = 5 hours, so ~£2.50.
EV mode gives me ~30 miles max 80mph, goes like sh*t off a shovel. Longer motorway drives gives me ~55mpg at 75mph, similar to my last A4 diesel.
Recommended.
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Blue Dwr
Had a plug in hybrid (A3) since mid August.
Plug in because it attracts a much better BIK value than the self-charging version, saving a fortune on tax.
Charge via an standard garden 240v socket, from empty = 5 hours, so ~£2.50.
EV mode gives me ~30 miles max 80mph, goes like sh*t off a shovel. Longer motorway drives gives me ~55mpg at 75mph, similar to my last A4 diesel.
Recommended.
The car you’re driving is probably ~25% more expensive than the combustion version ,my question is , would you save more than the 25% in fuel, extra tyres etc
It seems to me unlikely.
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Michael Morris
I’d also like to hear your experience of a hybrid. I’m in the market for a new motor and one of the options is a hybrid. In theory it seems to make the most sense and has great mpg and much better range than just electric.
My last 2 cars have been KIA's on 3 year PCP, the current deal is just about up, 2 weeks ago i called into Gravells to get a price on a NIRO which is hybrid, trading my car back in it was going to be £350 a month for three years and an 18 k payment at the end, I'm going back to plan A, I'm going to buy my car out, I owe 7k and have been offered 12k in PX against a 3 year old A class Merc with 25k on the clock, with a couple of car options, I'm mulling over diesel or petrol it will be an AUTO, I'm done with gear changes!!!
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TWGL1
I’m not Swedish ,and it’s another psychop as they clearly don’t benefit the environment
You don't have to be Swedish.
https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/greenest-countries
there you go
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Blue Dwr
Had a plug in hybrid (A3) since mid August.
Plug in because it attracts a much better BIK value than the self-charging version, saving a fortune on tax.
Charge via an standard garden 240v socket, from empty = 5 hours, so ~£2.50.
EV mode gives me ~30 miles max 80mph, goes like sh*t off a shovel. Longer motorway drives gives me ~55mpg at 75mph, similar to my last A4 diesel.
Recommended.
Do you think you'd get better mpg if you stay under the speed limit?
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ToTaL ITK
Considering the amount of environmental damage that’s going on in respect of conflicts around the planet , it’s clearly not that important otherwise western nations wouldn’t be funding the Military Industrial Complex would they? They would be calling out the military for the sake of climate change.
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I'm sure I would. Thank you for the question.
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My Mrs hates our electric vehicle she reckons it's cold in the winter.I said it's all we need with this 20mph malarkey.
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This is a CAT994A.
It burns about 1,000 liters of fuel in 12 hours, moving about 250 tons of dirt to remove the materials needed to produce ONE Tesla battery.
To make any drums you have to edit:
- 12 tons of lithium silk
- 15 tons of ore for cobalt
- 3 tons of ore per nickel,
- 12 tons of copper ore
And move 250 tons of crust.
For just - one - battery, approximately:
- 12 kg of lithium
- 30 kg of nickel
- 22 kg Manganese
- 15 kg of Kobalt
- 100 kg Kupfer
- 200 kg of aluminum, steel and plastic
And people believe in zero emissions when they drive their electric car. 🥳
"sustainability" 😂🤣
Império Tártaro ®️
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life on mars
Love my Hybrid , completely altered my driving behaviours for the better , it such a calming ride ,prey the rise drops so all folk can grab one .
Perhaps the Welsh Government could really help the environment drag back the 33 million badly its spending on 20mph spends and other shite soft policy projects , and subsidy working class folk to buy one ,now that is a real green policy for the people .
Cheapest hybrid cars
Renault Clio E-Tech Hybrid - £21,995
Toyota Yaris - £22,110
Dacia Jogger Hybrid 140 - £22,595
Mazda 2 Hybrid - £22,720
Honda Jazz - £22,930
Suzuki Vitara Full Hybrid - £23,249
Toyota Yaris Cross - £24,840
Renault Captur E-Tech Hybrid - £25,695
Hyundai Kona Hybrid - £26,315
Suzuki S-Cross Hybrid - £27,249
I bet you're always the first to be invited to parties.
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