Am I the only one who thinks the "joke" is that Southgate keeps picking him?
https://www.theguardian.com/football...ainst-scotland
Was genuinely shocked at how bad he was playing against us and getting terrorised by Paterson.
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Am I the only one who thinks the "joke" is that Southgate keeps picking him?
https://www.theguardian.com/football...ainst-scotland
Was genuinely shocked at how bad he was playing against us and getting terrorised by Paterson.
He's being bullied, yet he's a decent player, it's a strange one he's not even a nasty bloke, I suppose it's just the modern World.Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpersforGoalposts
He’s a good player that doesn’t suit how the games adapted recently.
If you have 10 men behind the ball and just constant crosses, he’ll fire away or block every one
Put him in a position where he has to play higher, think more he can’t cope.
But agree with first point, he shouldn’t be playing for England or Man Utd
He's just an easy target at this stage, fans and media have in mind he's shit and are waiting to pounce.
He himself is probably then trying too hard.
Needs a move abroad.
https://youtu.be/90c-tIROIuA?si=4F4h8euX97SFxfgo
Fair play :hehe:
Totally agree with this, probably a nice bloke who is committed to England but he's not getting a game for United for a reason, and shouldn't be anywhere near first choice for England for the same reason. The fact that he and Henderson are almost automatic on the team sheet shows how much of a dinosaur Southgate is becoming.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Stick him somewhere like Everton or Burnley he would do an amazing job for you and be loved by their fans, wrong club, wrong time and he's lost his confidence, he's probably out of contention for England for a bit, but could work his way back in, he needs a move to a lower expecting premier club.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
If you stuck him in our defence he would stop most of the stupid soft goals we have conceded.
He is a brilliant player by our standards and it's not his fault that ManU paid £60mllion too much for him!
He wants to count his blessings that he's not Raheem Sterling. The Daily Mail would be printing a weekend supplement criticising him if he was playing as poorly as Maguire, and in every aspect of his life.
He's slow in thought and deed. That inflated fee that was paid for him is the sole reason he still gets picked for England.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
A Player that cost that much HAS to be good, right?
Do you think Southgate makes his selections based on a players previous value? I can't see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Agree he was another one who was very harshly treated, a very good player he's also been bullied by fans, pundits, and the media, Ahsley Cole had loads of stick too, I think it's often the high transfer fees that single some of these players out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Why are you comparing him by our standards - a lower Championship side?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Actually, I think he'd be good for us but not brilliant.
Just pointing out that fans like some us laugh at a player who is ten times better than Goutas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
The main point was that he's a top Premier League quality defender just not currently good enough for the top eight. With full confidence he wouldn't be that far away, he was overpriced but sold at £80Million for a reason.
Are you telling me that a manager wouldn't feel swayed to play someone who cost a world record transfer for a defender?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Then, when he has Maguire in the camp, he finds out he's a really genuine, likeable guy, who's good on the training ground and brings something to the dressing room and follows the manager's instructions.
It's the British trait - knock someone down, then try to build them up again.
Then you can't use the words "top Premier League quality defender" if he's not good enough for a top eight club. That would suggest he's average at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Plenty of assumptions there. I'm not telling you anything. All i can think is that Southgate obviously rates Maguire. This is international football, not club football. It's not like Southgate is being pressured by the owners to play him, or the Fans, And it's not like Southgate doesn't have more choice at his disposal. He obviously rates him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
I'd suggest that Southgate is being blindly loyal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I think he would stand out head and shoulders in lower championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
That is a possibility. I don't think i've ever watched Maguire play, unless i saw him for Leicester when we turned them over at their place (Camarasa Goal) But i'm thinking that he can't be as bad as so many people are saying. He does have some pedigree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Possibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
I am genuinely considered about the boys mental health, it went beyond 'banter' a long time ago. Getting jeered by other teams fans at away grounds, booed by his own fans playing for his country in Wembley.
Go on social media and the amount of supposedly comedic videos and edits of him is alarming, he has become an online meme in many respects. Someone needs to either speak out or take him out of the spotlight for a little bit, because I would be livid when I see the same people who have been bullying him online and at matches, acting all surprised and shocked if the lad reaches a point when he can not take anymore.
I agree with a comment earlier in this thread, that he’s being bullied. Both by the media and fans in general.
Nothing wrong with criticism, but sometimes it goes way too far, and it’s not good for a players confidence or mental health.
Has anyone else on here read the story of our very own Hugh Fergusson (1927 FA cup winning goal scorer) and what happened to him ?
The same idiots who ridicule him online or on social media are probably the type of Twats who are all over mental health, and how it affects them, or how 'brave' they've been etc. There's some right scumbags about.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris lee
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Originally Posted by chris lee
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Originally Posted by chris lee
Not something he can help but unfortunately he has a miserable looking face and I believe that's one of the reasons fans lack empathy for him. He's an easy target for the bully boys. If he was a cheeky chappie like Jack Grealish, I don't think he would receive half the amount of abuse he does, regardless of who he plays for and the huge amount of money he cost them.
I hope for his sake he is able to get through the torrent of abuse he receives without it impacting on his mental health. Good luck to the lad.
Southgate shouldn’t have put him in the firing line. He clearly doesn’t deserve a call up and is going through a period of bad form,he should’ve moved this summer as he’s not good enough to play for Man United.
He’s paid hundreds of thousands a week, I’m sorry I just don’t feel sorry for him. If his mental health is that bad he should remove himself from the squad / spotlight until he’s ready to play and resurrect his career. He’s not a bad player and can comeback from this, just not this way.
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Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Why the hell Southgate felt the need to bring him on at half time when they were 2 nil up and cruising I dont know.
If Southgate hadn't brought him on, the scoreline would have been a lot worse from Scotland's point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I said in the match thread that he was a liability well before his OG.
Mafuire is too slow and cumbersome.
No sympathy for him at all.
A move from Man U with a large payout starting afresh maybe people would have a favourable view on his situ.
I quite liked Southgate initially but choosing HM in his squad is foolish and arrogant.
I have no sympathy with him either and it will be fun when it all starts to go pear shaped again.
Also, I feel a bit of a reality check is required here regarding how good England are.
I don't care who they have beaten in their recent games, it is still Scotland we are talking about who were beaten 3-1 by the people many are drooling over.
Yes, Bellingham was excellent and England have strength in depth but they have had many times before and have always, apart from with a not insignificant piece of intervention from a generous Russian linesman, somehow found a way to feck up.
Long may it continue :biggrin:
Wasn’t the linesman from Azerbaijan ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
He was so much the most famous sportsman from Azerbaijan that their national football stadium was named after him until recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
And we think we are a minor nation....
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