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1986 Thatcher opened up the bus services to the evil private sector and it led to a free for all with higher prices and poorer services
Manchester , a fine liberal socialist city is turning back the tide
Would be great if it led to the return of a simplified and improved service for gas , electricity etc
I cannot believe that the numerous energy companies out there have price and service at their foremost minds , its all about money
Do you believe that all private sector is evil/ Do you think that all services, everything including housing food travel (or prevention of it) etc should he controlled by the state.? I seem to remember a couple of other people trying that method. It failed miserably.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
that is not to say I don't agree with some nationlisation but you seem to be suggesting a blanket control of everything.
In fairness to Sludge, he's only mentioned utilities such as gas and electric.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
You've got him down as him wanting a government that brings back food rationing.
Bit of a leap isn't it?
I'm with Sludge - Transport, Gas, Electric and Water should never have bene privatized. ****ing Tories.
I certainly think energy , public transport etc should be state controlledQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
All this talk about efficiency and competition for the buses and trains had led to higher prices and fewer services
It makes me laugh when tory voters complain about the trains and roads
Don't vote for them then
It's a disasterQuote:
Originally Posted by alan_corneli
I would nationalise broadband if I could , that's a complete carve up too
All of of em are dirty double dealers
True. Ideological and cynical madness. But someone pocketed a few £. Wonder who?Quote:
Originally Posted by alan_corneli
I remember the old nationalised industries and yes they worked n times , sadly destroyed by overly greedy unions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Unions created Thatcher and private sector.
In fairness to sludge, yes he did. i added the rest to wind him up. (As if I would :biggrin:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Tory votersQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Who are now complaining
I remember travelling around the country by train and up to Manchester in particular from CardiffQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It was ok
Now it's two carriages and often late
You rotterQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I remember the old nationalised industries and they were fabulous. We can only hope they will return.
Time has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Imagine water , gas , elec all being under one roof or at most just a few providers ?
Broadband is a nightmare and they are all devils
Broadband is a joke in UK. i pay peanuts for 1tb fiber. I hear of people paying 50 plus a month in blighty
I pay 41 for broadband and phone with plus netQuote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
That's due up in a year
So then it's messing about trying to get a new deal
It's pathetic
" Greater Manchester Renationalises The Bus Services"
Didnt realise Manchester was a nation ?
It's never a good idea to have a monopoly providing a service.
ps Cardiff Bus is majority Council owned and they are beyond c rap with a workforce at the same level of crapness.
Sludge
"I remember travelling around the country by train and up to Manchester in particular from Cardiff
It was ok
Now it's two carriages and often late"
I was in Manchester a few weeks back, left on time arrived on time from Cardiff to Piccadilly. Reserved a seat, charged my phone and laptop on the way and used the wifi.
That's your opinion , the ridiculous situation of a shed load of bus and train companies chasing the buck is the current situationQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
What then happens is the private company becomes the same as the council which previously provided the service
What a complete and utter waste of time and money
Lucky youQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Thank god there were only 25 people on the train . Imagine being packed onto that beauty .
I pay £30 for broadband, and TV with neflix thrown in as a free extra. Don't need a landline, i hadn't used mine since it was installed.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
And ****ing Labour presumably for not bring them back into public ownership during their 13 years in office. "Yeah, but that was Blair. This time it will be different under Starmer" 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by alan_corneli
Always look for better deals on everything. Half an hour of your time at worst and it can save you a lot of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Got shares in privatised companies have we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
What an odd comment. I actually support renationalising utilities and rail. To pretend the nationalised industries were 'fabulous' is lunacy. They were cumbersome, bureaucratic monstrosities. Whatever model is used for any renationalised industries shouldn't follow what we had in the 70s. I genuinely thought your comment was sarcasm, hence the smilies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
The cost would be staggeringQuote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
Care services
Utilities
All too late
The best we can hope for is improvement
The horse has bolted
All down to the Tories
The whole point is having to do it in the first placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
It's idiotic
No it doesnt - a private company wins a contract to perform a service for x years. If at the end of the tenure it's deemed to be providing a bad service - then they dont win the next contract term.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It keeps them on their toes and gives the client (us) the ability to change provider and let someone else have a go.
Whereas - if it someone like British Rail - you cant get rid of them, you cant get them to improve ro change you are just stuck with them.
If you want to specifically about rail - then take a look at Japan and the way they operate
Without the typos
No it doesnt - a private company wins a contract to perform a service for x years. If at the end of the tenure it's deemed to be providing a bad service - then they dont win the next contract term.
It keeps them on their toes and gives the client (us) the ability to change provider and let someone else have a go.
Whereas - if it's someone like British Rail and a Govt owned industry etc - you cant get rid of them, you cant get them to improve or change you are just stuck with them.
If you want to specifically talk about rail - then take a look at Japan and the way they operate. JR (JapanRail) is run like a private company even though it's Govt owned. It is required to make a profit etc.
Other train companies are also allowed to operate train services on the same track and are 100% private companies. When I was there - the system worked perfectly.
It makes me laugh that you actually think that anything nationalised can actually be successful. Successive labour governments ran all the nationalised industries into the ground, costing us, the British taxpayer billions of pounds in the process. And none of them ever actually worked properly either. If you think the current situation is bad, stand back and admire the mess in Manchester in a few years time. PS. Anyone who votes for Labour in Wales after the mess Drakeford has made must be bonkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
No point - like putting lipstick on a pig, Sludge and Co will always vote Labour regardless as he "hates" anyone that dares to vote for anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
I remember the 70's and the mess created by Labour being controlled by the unions as well as then thinking they could run a business. Dont get me wrong the Tories have plenty of feck ups as well. Both Lab and Con have wrecked the economy.
Drakeford is a living example of what happens when you put the wrong person in charge. After 26 years of Labour being in charge in Wales - you would think we would learn a lesson. But dyed in the wool socialists never admit that. They just want more of the same. Like a perpetual clone Rhodri / Carwyn / Mark and so the cycle continues
Carwyn was a superb leaderQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Drakeford is hopeless and needs to retire
Well plenty of people think the shit storm of privatisation is even worseQuote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Labour will trounce you tory filth at the election in Wales
Shows how bad the Tories are
You are not very brightQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
The big energy providers and big phone providers and big two or three train operators are private sector monopolies in all but name
It's a total feck up and stacks of money is being made on shitty service
It's all very well having Japan as an example but the infrastructure is properly funded and the state will step in if it goes tits up
How is the state going to step in now the care service is privatised ?
How's that been working out ?
If you try to defend that I will phone the men in white coats for you and the other mad clown on this thread
That's going to go up after a few years , they all doQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Privatisation of the bus services .......reduced services , bus fares rising twice that of wages
The Tories said fares would reduce under competition and services would improve
Water privatisation , bollocks
Energy , bollocks
Rail , bollocks
The care system ......absolute disaster
It hasn't worked
Tories can argue the toss but their electoral strategists know the public want decent public services and that isn't going to be through privatisation
Improve efficiency , improve management are good policies but at the core there needs to be infrastructure and core funding
The private sector ain't interested in that , it just wants quick profit
Greedy unions? They did the work. They deserved their fair share. Transport and utilities don't have to be nationalized just run as not-for-profit companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Thatcher created the greed.
Are they on strike yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Or all on the sick?
Or working from home (tricky on the bus) :hehe:
I bet the staff breathed a sigh of relief as they can take a rest.
AbsolutelyQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue