Nottingham Panthers Tragedy

BBC News - Adam Johnson: Nottingham Panthers forward dies after neck cut in Challenge Cup match
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/ice-hockey/67253892

Shocking stuff.
It happened to a Canadian player in the NHL years ago and I think he survived. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often tbh.

Devastating. Saw it earlier. Certainly puts things into perspective.
R.I.P.

I remember when I used to go to the ice skating disco's in the rink in Cardiff in the early 90s, a man fell and smashed his glasses glass went in his eyes. Blood everywhere. Put me off for life.

Horrible accident to happen.

Years ago, I remember seeing someone's hand badly cut at Bristol ice rink. But a cut to the neck... it doesn't bear thinking about. Poor sod.

Dear God absolutely shocking.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Shocking stuff.
It happened to a Canadian player in the NHL years ago and I think he survived. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often tbh.

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Goalie for the Sabres in the 80's... they said the only reason he survived was the team medic was a veteran Vietnam combat medic who was used to dealing with that kind of trauma. Do not look up any photos unless you have a very strong stomach.

There've been a few other incidents involving bad, bad skate cuts including one to the neck and they've since mandated the goalies wear neck protectors as they are often on the ice around the other players skates, but don't think it's really realistic to ask the skaters to wear the same kind of thing... just a freak accident.

Just awful.

After the Bristol match I went to Devils v Blaze. One of the latter's players went off with what looked like a broken hand or wrist. There was a further stoppage whilst his blood was scraped up after leaving a trail on the ice. Confusingly, this happened roughly the same time as the Panthers incident. People were getting messages that a player had died after a serious bleed and incorrectly put two and two together. Not sure how the Blaze player is but Johnson had no chance. All matches postponed today as a mark of respect.

Worst thing I have ever seen on a sporting field.

That’s truly terrible and a tragedy for the sport.

Poor bloke

I don't want to see the video that's doing the rounds, but what happened?

I’ve seen the incident, I still can’t get my head around why the players leg was that high.

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Originally Posted by mrbluejay

I’ve seen the incident, I still can’t get my head around why the players leg was that high.

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He was losing his balance going forward, so tried to regain it by extending his leg back and upwards.

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I don't want to see the video that's doing the rounds, but what happened?

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People who watch death videos like that need to see a psychiatrist

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

People who watch death videos like that need to see a psychiatrist

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The video is not as gruesome as you might think. He is helped up and is being assisted to skate off the ice. You can clearly see blood on his jersey.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

He was losing his balance going forward, so tried to regain it by extending his leg back and upwards.

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I’m not at all sure that’s the case. He seemed to intentionally lift his leg to impede the player, clearly the horrible outcome was not intentional.

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Originally Posted by mrbluejay

I’m not at all sure that’s the case. He seemed to intentionally lift his leg to impede the player, clearly the horrible outcome was not intentional.

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Think you're in a very small minority with that conclusion.

Just 29 years of age.

Being an American citizen, it's perhaps doubtful if he had any family in the UK either.

Absolutely tragic.

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Think you're in a very small minority with that conclusion.

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Maybe, I'm not an expert and not trying to troll, just looked a completely unnatural position.

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Originally Posted by mrbluejay

Maybe, I'm not an expert and not trying to troll, just looked a completely unnatural position.

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I agree. I just can't see any reason why his leg should be four foot in the air. There's nowhere near enough momentum.

Interested to see that neck protectors are compulsory in many countries / leagues due to exact same causes of fatalities.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

I agree. I just can't see any reason why his leg should be four foot in the air. There's nowhere near enough momentum.

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Good to know the board has professional ice skating accident investigation knowledge on it to go with every other subject where we know best

Tell us how much high level ice hockey collisions you've experienced to decide this

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Originally Posted by fugsyphil

Good to know the board has professional ice skating accident investigation knowledge on it to go with every other subject where we know best

Tell us how much high level ice hockey collisions you've experienced to decide this

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Ah got you, nobody is ever allowed an opinion in anything ever unless they've got a masters degree in whatever the subject is. Plenty of ex ice hockey players on Twitter are saying the same thing.

I'll leave it at that.

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Ah got you, nobody is ever allowed an opinion in anything ever unless they've got a masters degree in whatever the subject is. Plenty of ex ice hockey players on Twitter are saying the same thing.

I'll leave it at that.

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Are people seriously thinking he did it deliberately. I'm genuinely shocked

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Are people seriously thinking he did it deliberately. I'm genuinely shocked

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Didn't you just say 'Good to know the board has professional ice skating accident investigation knowledge' so how can you have an opinion on it if you aren't a 'professional ice skating accident investigator?;

Nobody thinks he went out to deliberately to hurt the guy. But quite a few think he lifted his leg on purpose in an attempt to stop the player. I don't know why that's so unfathomable to believe.

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Didn't you just say 'Good to know the board has professional ice skating accident investigation knowledge' so how can you have an opinion on it if you aren't a 'professional ice skating accident investigator?;

Nobody thinks he went out to deliberately to hurt the guy. But quite a few think he lifted his leg on purpose in an attempt to stop the player. I don't know why that's so unfathomable to believe.

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Flippant humor rather than keyboard warrior who has responded to you but in reality reacted to other stories I've been reading on the accident. Didn't mean to sound so twattish

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Flippant humor rather than keyboard warrior who has responded to you but in reality reacted to other stories I've been reading on the accident. Didn't mean to sound so twattish

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Fair enough, have a good day.

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Originally Posted by mrbluejay

Maybe, I'm not an expert and not trying to troll, just looked a completely unnatural position.

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I've watched it a few times today and am beginning to shift my opinion.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-67419951

I watch the odd Devils game and enjoy it but can't really comment on this as I've never played - is it a natural position at all?

I’ve never played, or watched much ice hockey, but my opinion when I saw a video of the incident was the opposing player had his foot/skate way to high, and it looked deliberate.

Who would have thought we’d have so many ice skating experts within this small Cardiff City football forum community

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Who would have thought we’d have so many ice skating experts within this small Cardiff City football forum community

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Don’t think anyone’s claimed to be an expert on Ice Hockey, but we are allowed to comment on what we’ve seen aren’t we?

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Who would have thought we’d have so many ice skating experts within this small Cardiff City football forum community

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I've only ever seen one game live and thought it was boring however and seeing this incident, my expert opinion found him guilty of dangerous play but not intentional however the outcome being what it was, a manslaughter decision and a very sad incident.

I've watched hundreds of hockey games in person and on TV, hopefully that allows me to qualify an opinion on this. It's definitely a very unnatural position, and to me it doesn't look like the contact he gets right before is enough to make his leg do that. It looks really bad and I honestly can't remember seeing anything looking anything like it in any game I've watched. And plenty of ex hockey pros on social media seem to share this opinion.

With that being said, do I believe that a hockey player is that reckless to consciously try to do that? I just can't see it... but I can understand how it meets the bar for at least a manslaughter investigation in this country given how far outside the scope of what normally happens in the sport it is. Usually when a player gets a bad skate cut, it's because he was unlucky to be down on the ice. A skate this high catching somebody, I think I've heard of it once but then it was a hard hit and the other player clearly going head over heels. It's just a really odd situation.

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I've watched hundreds of hockey games in person and on TV, hopefully that allows me to qualify an opinion on this. It's definitely a very unnatural position, and to me it doesn't look like the contact he gets right before is enough to make his leg do that. It looks really bad and I honestly can't remember seeing anything looking anything like it in any game I've watched. And plenty of ex hockey pros on social media seem to share this opinion.

With that being said, do I believe that a hockey player is that reckless to consciously try to do that? I just can't see it... but I can understand how it meets the bar for at least a manslaughter investigation in this country given how far outside the scope of what normally happens in the sport it is. Usually when a player gets a bad skate cut, it's because he was unlucky to be down on the ice. A skate this high catching somebody, I think I've heard of it once but then it was a hard hit and the other player clearly going head over heels. It's just a really odd situation.

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I've not watched as much as you, but got quite into it the last 7 years or so since a holiday in Toronto and caught the bug of the sport since watching them. I've read a fair amount of stuff from Canadian fans about this. None I've seen think that think this was deliberate in any way. The week after, many NHL players started wearing neck guards to protect against this type of injury. A Leafs player was seriously injured a couple of years ago after a random accident that slashed his leg open. That could also have been life ending, but thankfully wasn't. The speed ice hockey is played at,, with razor sharp blades on their feet, it's surprising more serious incidents don't occur.
No way did any hockey player go out to end someone like this. This is a sport where there's so many unwritten rules about fighting on the ice, 'etiquette' if you will.

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Originally Posted by CopenhagenBlue

I've not watched as much as you, but got quite into it the last 7 years or so since a holiday in Toronto and caught the bug of the sport since watching them. I've read a fair amount of stuff from Canadian fans about this. None I've seen think that think this was deliberate in any way. The week after, many NHL players started wearing neck guards to protect against this type of injury. A Leafs player was seriously injured a couple of years ago after a random accident that slashed his leg open. That could also have been life ending, but thankfully wasn't. The speed ice hockey is played at,, with razor sharp blades on their feet, it's surprising more serious incidents don't occur.
No way did any hockey player go out to end someone like this. This is a sport where there's so many unwritten rules about fighting on the ice, 'etiquette' if you will.

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I've only watched one live game of ice hockey, so I'm no expert.
However, I read the 'comments section' to a video which was posted on YouTube. The majority of those leaving comments seemed to be North Americans who claimed to have been life-long followers of the sport. They mostly said that in their view the opponent deliberately stuck out his leg - not with an intention of causing such a fatal injury, but definitely to try and impede.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I've only watched one live game of ice hockey, so I'm no expert.
However, I read the 'comments section' to a video which was posted on YouTube. The majority of those leaving comments seemed to be North Americans who claimed to have been life-long followers of the sport. They mostly said that in their view the opponent deliberately stuck out his leg - not with an intention of causing such a fatal injury, but definitely to try and impede.

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Exactly. Impeding, not intending to seriously injure or kill. This is a tragic accident.