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Today it's the homeless in the firing line , quite literally
What a dreadful woman , how can anyone vote Tory with any sort of conscience with her as home secretary ?
Stopping charities from handing out emergency sleeping bags ?
It's clearly being done to wind people up as I can't believe she's as bad as this
Horrible woman. Never mind - she’ll be gone next year along with the rest of her cronies.
....roll on Angela Rayner.....Diane Abbott et al....NOT! This lot are bad..but that lot are worse...
Should this not be on the alternative forum board?
I’m no lover of Labour, but how on Earth can they possibly be worse?
You would be surprised...I am old enough to remember the mid seventies....Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Cardiff Council did and said the same , and moved them on , charities were asked to not hand out tents
Addiction services in llandough we’re working with the council and police to stop addicts living in tents in city centres, this goes back to case of the man that died in a tent on st Mary’s street. A chronic alcoholic that worked out he could beg and get money to feed his habit.
The legal bit is that living in a tent you get rights which meant it was hard to move people on or even enter the tent.
All social services and police and Cardiff Council wanted this to stop so they could people get into care and offer help
They also appealed to charities to stop giving out tents.
This was a Labour council and a welsh nhs trying to do this. It seems other councils and uk govt are trying to fix the same issue now. My sister was involved in trying to fix this issue in Cardiff
Decent post, charities need to be controlled & directed, they sometimes do more harm than good. They are, inpart responsible for the camps around Calais & therefore the dinghies crossing the channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Loved hearing the silence at Stoke today. Inevitably observed.
She makes Priti Patel look like Mother Theresa.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Did Cardiff Council say rough sleepers were exercising 'a lifestyle choice'?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
No, I thought not.
I don't want to say too much about this but as a member of Cardiff help the homeless I refute a great deal of what the chair of housing , social services and others comment on these mattersQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
It's fine having a proactive and forward looking policy involving health , housing etc all singing from the same hymn sheet but in many cases , especially in Cardiff, this hasn't been the case
There is and always will be a number of homeless people that are extremely difficult to care for but trying to prevent local charities from giving out tents is hitting those who feel they have no other choice in a very dark way
Braverman is a twisted woman responsible for trying to influence how people think and she would go a lot further than getting rid of their tents if she could
I hope so but even on here there are some prize plums who will vote for herQuote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Dianne Abbott has about as much chance of being home Secretary as I do of voting conservativeQuote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Absolutely no chance
My old man is dead but he was alive during the seventies and he preferred it to when that old witch Thatcher was in chargeQuote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
What silence ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
So braverman is wrong, Cardiff Council, social services and the police are also wrong but you are right. Ffs you can’t even paint your own garden gate properly 😀
You should volunteer to be a street warden that directly approach people in need and try to get them into rehab
Not my gate , giving advice to someone elseQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Pm me and I can tell you as much as you want to know about cardiff council homeless screw ups
Done plenty of street work over the years at the front end of homelessness both as a volunteer , in hostels and as an advice worker
Braverman is a twisted old fruitcake
👍 I think we all want the same result, just different approaches
I have an old friend (alcoholic) who went through the program at llandough and has been sober ever since. It’s when they become homeless the real problems start. Which is why they need to be out of tents and into rehab , they should not be left to effectively drink or inject themselves to death
I couldn’t give a monkeys about petty local gripes about services to be honest. What matters is getting the outcome that is best for the addict. If you are off your head and a stubborn idiot you won’t be able to accept what is the best option for you.
Maybe we should make it a criminal offence with the sentence being rehab?
Whilst the streets are not very safe they are for some a safer place than the violence , abuse and intimidation that happens in the night shelters and hostelsQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
That some would prefer to sleep under a bridge by central station getting checked by volunteers from charities than be forced into council accommodation says everything
I think it's very important that if that's the only option for a very small number of people then we should be ensuring the risks are low rather than stopping sleeping bags being given out because it looks a bit untidy if a load of tourists are in city hall
We’ll have to agree to disagree on that
No we won'tQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
Name one thing from the mid seventies that was as vile as this, or even close, concerning a prominent minister’s contempt for their own people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Pinochet ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
And I am, it wasn't as bad as this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
I try to pay as little attention to our glorious Home Secretary as possible, but wasn't she saying that homeless people living in tents was a "lifestyle choice"?Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
The sacrifices she makes for the great culture wars fight are beyond the call of duty. Has she ever said anything that is not designed to rabble rouse and provoke a reaction and the worst thing is that all of the sound and fury cannot disguise the fact that she is wholly ineffective in her job.
After getting trounced in 2 more by elections the other week, Buckland said all this stuff had to stop. She hasn’t paid much attention to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
She really is as bad as that I'm sure but remember she's also got an important agenda.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
When the Tories get their inevitable tanking they will begin to fragment and she wants to be the leader of the new phoenix party. All her disgusting rhetoric is designed to appeal to the far right wing nutjobs whom she is banking on voting for her. If that does happen then we will see Toryism on steroids and it will not be a pretty sight.
I think you've hit the nail on the head in this post Sludgey.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The theory was good but the resources for what's needed isn't there in relation to accessing services.
Currently, where is Braverman intending of putting these people? Most local authorities in Wales are running waiting lists for temporary accommodation.
Braverman is another I wouldn't be too concerned about if she went toes up.
She is far more right wing than ThatcherQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
She's frightening
Hopefully it will become a combat 18 type of fringe group , monitored by secret servicesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
She is a feckin ghoul.
Really??? Sludge....I grew up in a 2 up 2 down terraced house near Porth.....outside toilet that froze in the winter....tin bath hanging behind it for baths on Friday night. Dad was a coalminer in Ynysybwl who used to come home from a double shift and had to carry coal from the roadside through the house to the shed at the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
He...like me...thought Thatcher was a breath of fresh air....and justified. She is the only politician with any guts since the seventies.
Having said that I could not possibly vote for those who call them selves Conservatives these days....and Labour are just as bad.
I will vote Reform or Independent if I have the opportunity.
I am surprised you still reside in a conservative village like Cowbridge given your views. .....where incidentally I worked for 18 months in the sixties at what was the Midland Bank.
Rwanda probably, given a choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
...at least...Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
She was a feckin ghoul too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Well..that is a subjective opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
What an utterly miserable country we are.
Makes me glad I decided to live in the Dordogne....village is a bit like UK in the 50's...local accountable mayor who deals with any issues directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Cannot go back that far Maurice, 60's also being a bit of a struggle having been born in 61, i would say however my profound memory of the local guy being in charge woud have been my visit to RAF Troodos and which was before i got married so would be at least 41 years ago being relative youngsters and a bit green around the ears a couple of us got reeled in very early into our 3 month work visit :biggrin:, we stayed in a village called Platres up the mountain, the village was marshallled by two heavyweight local bobies called Tagos and Magos (maybe this was just local names for them), a night on the Keo Beer and Brandy Sours resulting a bit of high spirits walking back to the gaff got us up before the pair of them the next day, I heeded the warning, a collegue of mine at the time didn't and was shortly dispatched back to the U.K. No messing around, a chap from the RAF regiment turned up, took him and he was off the island within 24 hours. He didn't get a chance to plead any innocence of his misdameanor, he was guity :biggrin: although by todays acceptance of high spirits it was a nothing burger.