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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-labour-tories
https://www.ft.com/content/f7394525-...5-fe8273df4f7f
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Both those links are behind paywalls
It's owned by the Scott Trust - which also owns other print and digital media (including the Observer). It was loss making in the decade up to 2019 and reliant on group cross subsidies - but they claim that the individual donations/subscription they have been pushing have been successful and since 2019 the Guardian breaks even. As far as I understand it there is no rich individual or corporation behind the paper. It has moved to the right (firmly Blairite) in the last decade (a clear break from the stance when Alan Rusbridger was editor) but that doesn't appear to be at the direction of some shadowy funder in the background.
You've got to laugh. Vote Labour to get rid of the Tories... And you get the Tories 😂
I think Jon was teasing a little
https://geopolitics.co/2021/11/21/ho...-billionaires/
I couldn't care less if the labour party have to form a coalition with the liberals , independents and greens and whoever else
Get the Tories out
**** Starmer.
I’m surprised Starmer gets the hate he does
He keeps getting called Tory Lite, which is probably what this country needs
I'm with you here. I don't think socialism has failed. It's just been portrayed as a really dirty word. If socialism was such a bad thing, people forget that Corbyn's socialist leaning party clawed back a huge deficit in the polls and forced a hung parliament, which cost us £1b for Theresa May to bribe the DUP.
We've got one of the biggest economies in the world. The UK economy has grown, albeit stagnantly, since 2010 and is creating more billionnaires than ever before. Yet we keep being told there's no money available. We had austerity from 2010 and now there's a cost of living crisis. Those in low wage employment keep earning less and less when inflation is taken into consideration. Our doctors, nurses, teachers, police, firemen etc, were once among the most respected people in society, but they've had wage cuts in real terms for many years. We keep being told there's no money for public services. Councils are at breaking point; some have already been broken. People don't realise how dire things are for local authorities, instead many believe they just waste money all the time and don't provide any services.
In RCT there's discussions about parents having to pay for school transport. The council needs to save £85m. From where? The fat has already been cut off. It'll be services for the vunerable that are next hit. The NHS is in such a state across the UK that going private is the only option for many. If private healthcare becomes the norm, who will be most affected? The worst off.
If you believe the political right, the reason for all of these problems are the work shy and immigrants. How have we got to this position? Years ago, if you were down on your luck, others would help. Go back a bit in history and people wouldn't lock their homes. If your neighbour was stuck for something and you were out, they'd help themselves and repay asap. We had communities. We welcomed outsiders. Miners would pay a small percentage out of their wages to funds to help those who needed it. It built fantastic workmen's halls, libraries and other buildings. People appreciated that if you want things for the use of the general public, they needed to be paid for. Now we seem to have people who want to pay less tax but have better public services. It's one or the other.
I have a hunch. One of the reasons the M4 relief road wasn't built was due to the damage of a major nature reserve. I bet virtually everyone who would have happily demolished the Newport wetlands would be far less happy to do so if it was to build hotels to house immigrants.
And this is our society in 2023. Fuelled more by greed and personal interest than anything else. Wales in 1923 would have shuddered at the thought.
**** Starmer.
is it on your craigslist?
Conservative austerity is required to cut the fat/waste from socialist over spending, which inevitably happens in the end under Labour. It's cyclical. Look at the 1970s then 00s
I do agree about communities being decimated with what i've seen described as "runaway individualism" and i see it as bad. the blame for that can be levelled at Thatcher's neo liberal economic reforms in the 1980s. How can this can be reversed?
I don't agree with your claim that people welcòmed outsiders more in the past. People have never welcomed outsiders, that's just not true. We are wired to protect and favour our own genetic interests (the in group). You can't have social cohesion and be welcoming to outsiders. Diversity undermines social cohesion and studies prove this.
The left get in a mess over this.
We need Reform in and the Consocialists out. The Tories have eventually run out of other peoples money.
Both parties lie to gain or keep power. I'm not a raving Tory by any means. This lot are terrible as is Starmer and that disingenuous liar Yvette Cooper.
I'm coming to the conclusion that we need voting reform for fresh political parties to make a break through.
Reform ?
They are a bunch of right wing flag wavers , they are the refuge of idiots like John Redwood and other tossers
Proportional representation would generally lead to a Labour Liberal coalition with input from the rainbow parties
I would be happy with that
The Tories and Reform and the right wing clowns can stay outside in the cold
Half the lib dems are Tory lite mind.
I'm not afraid of PR at all. Not sure it would pan out as you think, especially after things settle down in a few terms.
I've heard it suggested that Farage may make PR his next political mission and he's a very effective campaigner
At the end of the last Labour government the Conservatives backed all of Labour's spending plans. If anything, there was disapproval that Labour weren't spending more after the banking crisis to stimulate the economy. Then they changed their tune and went with austerity.
I found Labour's spending plans too risky in 2010 and in the end so did the Conservatives. Borrowing to grow the economy after the financial crisis was too risky, imagine if it didn't work. We'd have been a REAL basket case and probably required even deeper spending cuts, for far longer. It probably would've been done by the IMF bean counters with little regard for many people on the breadline.
If Farage does campaign for PR it could happen in our lifetime. He's a very effective politcian. I've been watching him in the jungle and he has suggested himself as a future leader of the Conservatives, so who knows. If Sunak Loses next year, Farage may be his sucessor. Then we will see a real Conservative government, maybe the couintry needs it.
Ok, then I'll ask one thing.
Explain to me how working class people, public sector workers, councils, the unemployed and those reliant on benefits etc would be better off and that public services would improve if we had (in your words) a "real Conservative government". I really don't give a shit about how the Tories will make the most well off even more well off.
Capitalism is intertwined into socialism, if you want to eradicate Capitalism completely then you're hardleft and probably a communist.
If you don't think Brown was a socialist(i do). Can you name a country where the socialism you laud has succeeded for any length of time? And before you say Sweden, it's now the gun crime capital of Europe with voters shifting to the right over recent decades as a reaction to failed socialist policies.