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No proof face masks ever worked against Covid, claims UKHSA boss
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Re: No proof face masks ever worked against Covid, claims UKHSA boss
I’m sorry. I can’t read anything that far right rag prints.
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stevo
I’m sorry. I can’t read anything that far right rag prints.
Don’t let facts cloud your judgement Steve ….. you’re becoming predictable bra …. Another one …….
This is becoming increasingly obvious what the agenda is bra
It’s just an extract from a newspaper, but it’s readily available from other outlets.
What’s the odds you followed her every word during the implementation, but now it doesn’t seem to matter :hehe:
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Re: No proof face masks ever worked against Covid, claims UKHSA boss
Uncertain
That doesn't mean doesn't work
Better to be safe
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Uncertain
That doesn't mean doesn't work
Better to be safe
Up to 20% of hospital patients with Covid-19 caught it at hospital
Up to a fifth of patients with Covid-19 in several hospitals contracted the disease over the course of the pandemic while already being treated there for another illness, NHS bosses have told senior doctors and nurses. I’d say she’s correct.
https://www.hsj.co.uk/patient-safety...029211.article
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TWGL1
The pandemic was a disaster, you can't stop a pandemic, you just have to slightly slow it down, lockdowns after the first one were a complete waste of time and money and damaged the economy and mental health of the UK.
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TWGL1
Up to 20% of hospital patients with Covid-19 caught it at hospital
Up to a fifth of patients with Covid-19 in several hospitals contracted the disease over the course of the pandemic while already being treated there for another illness, NHS bosses have told senior doctors and nurses. I’d say she’s correct.
https://www.hsj.co.uk/patient-safety...029211.article
Her words were that the use of face masks was UNCERTAIN in respect of covid
The term uncertain doesn't mean they didn't work or there wasn't any proof
As for getting it in hospital thats irrelevant
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North Cardiff Blue
The pandemic was a disaster, you can't stop a pandemic, you just have to slightly slow it down, lockdowns after the first one were a complete waste of time and money and damaged the economy and mental health of the UK.
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...Y2NiIsImMiOjh9
Why do you say that the 2nd lockdown over the Dec 20-Jan 21 period was a complete waste of time and money? Here is the graph showing an exponential increase in deaths over that period which, unless controlled would have been much higher. The CMOs of the UK warned central and devolved governments that unless strict lockdown restrictions were introduced then their respective NHS systems would be overwhelmed because as we know, deaths are only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the number of covid related admissions for intensive and clinical care.
I guess the further we get away from the event the wiser we become!
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Re: No proof face masks ever worked against Covid, claims UKHSA boss
We did know at the outset that masks were more of a precautionary measure its old news . its the same as don't touch things ??
Minute particles Airborne are airborne and can easily penetrate the standard masks , I love the folk who would war then under their noses and in cars on their own ,even go to bed with them on , comfort blanket at best ...
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life on mars
We did know at the outset that masks were more of a precautionary measure its old news . its the same as don't touch things ??
Minute particles Airborne are airborne and can easily penetrate the standard masks , I love the folk who would war then under their noses and in cars on their own ,even go to bed with them on , comfort blanket at best ...
Well until we were told it was OK not to wear one I think it was a good citizen to do so in public places and in hospitals
I think people complaining that wearing a face mask during that time was against their human rights needed a fecking good slap
Now we have learnt more about things then if another wave comes along we can do the right thing
People acting like they know more about medical issues than doctors is embarrassing , I would fecking lock them in a fridge
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well until we were told it was OK not to wear one I think it was a good citizen to do so in public places and in hospitals
I think people complaining that wearing a face mask during that time was against their human rights needed a fecking good slap
Now we have learnt more about things then if another wave comes along we can do the right thing
People acting like they know more about medical issues than doctors is embarrassing , I would fecking lock them in a fridge
Even if the fridge was full?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well until we were told it was OK not to wear one I think it was a good citizen to do so in public places and in hospitals
I think people complaining that wearing a face mask during that time was against their human rights needed a fecking good slap
Now we have learnt more about things then if another wave comes along we can do the right thing
People acting like they know more about medical issues than doctors is embarrassing , I would fecking lock them in a fridge
yeh
NOVEMBER 1, 2020
3 MIN READ
Scientists Failed to Use Common Sense Early in the Pandemic
The WHO’s initial advice dint help folk they stated not to wear masks in the fight to contain COVID as sowed dangerous confusion so off you go and slap some WHO fecker
BY NAOMI ORESKES
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cyril evans awaydays
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...Y2NiIsImMiOjh9
Why do you say that the 2nd lockdown over the Dec 20-Jan 21 period was a complete waste of time and money? Here is the graph showing an exponential increase in deaths over that period which, unless controlled would have been much higher. The CMOs of the UK warned central and devolved governments that unless strict lockdown restrictions were introduced then their respective NHS systems would be overwhelmed because as we know, deaths are only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the number of covid related admissions for intensive and clinical care.
I guess the further we get away from the event the wiser we become!
That data doesn’t give the full story, sadly. Care home deaths were off the scale during that period.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Her words were that the use of face masks was UNCERTAIN in respect of covid
The term uncertain doesn't mean they didn't work or there wasn't any proof
As for getting it in hospital thats irrelevant
How the heck is getting Covid in hospital irrelevant…. It’s supposed to be the most controlled area imaginable, that’s why they were almost empty of any other patient's and visitors . Masks in hospitals were 24/7 worn by people who knew how to wear them.
You really are a blinkered if you can’t see the correlation.
No doubt harries comments have spooked you, and don’t be angry with me, be angry with the coercive behaviour of the government.
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TWGL1
That data doesn’t give the full story, sadly. Care home deaths were off the scale during that period.
Sadly your opinion is nonsense. On Page 9 you can clearly see by choosing the relevant buttons on the chart that the surge in deaths around the December-Jan lockdown period was mainly in hospitals, bearing out the CMOs warnings. Whilst the 1st lockdown had massive numbers of deaths in care homes this was not the case for the one under discussion!
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...Y2NiIsImMiOjh9
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cyril evans awaydays
Sadly your opinion is nonsense. On Page 9 you can clearly see by choosing the relevant buttons on the chart that the surge in deaths around the December-Jan lockdown period was mainly in hospitals, bearing out the CMOs warnings. Whilst the 1st lockdown had massive numbers of deaths in care homes this was not the case for the one under discussion!
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...Y2NiIsImMiOjh9
I’m not here to argue with you , excess deaths with “Covid mentioned on the death certificate “ could mean that the primary cause of death is something else. (Operating procedures were cancelled, Cancer patients were left untreated etc )
Let’s not forget that the average age of a Covid death is higher than the usual average death, and this was before a vaccine.
These is a surge of deaths in hospitals but 20% of these didn’t have Covid prior to admission. Work that one out.
As you’re so adapt at these graphs could you send a link of Covid only deaths during the same period which will give a better understanding. Thanks in advance.
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TWGL1
I’m not here to argue with you , excess deaths with “Covid mentioned on the death certificate “ could mean that the primary cause of death is something else. (Operating procedures were cancelled, Cancer patients were left untreated etc .
Let’s not forget that the average age of a Covid death is higher than the usual average death, and this was before a vaccine.
As you’re so adapt at these graphs could you send a link of Covid only deaths during the same period which will give a better understanding. Thanks in advance.
So, obfuscation aside, your off the scale care home stuff was made up then.
And not the Covid only death stuff again. This was one of Wales-Bales's go to mantras when he wasn't calling it flu or saying hydroxochloroquine was an instant cure!
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No it wasn’t made up, and you know it wasn't and they were off the scale in comparison to normal times.
, and if you could post the link it would be appreciated.
I’m not sure if you’re aware but the testing system for Covid was highly ineffective and was not designed for mass testing.The cycle threshold was too high so you could be classed as a covid positive case when fully recovered. It may have “ been mentioned on the death certificate “ but as the testing process was not designed for which it was being conducted then you clearly the primary reason of death was something else, especially when 20% of people were admitted to hospital with an unrelated underlying illness, but caught Covid in hospital. ( tested positive within 28 days )
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TWGL1
No it wasn’t made up, and you know it wasn't and they were off the scale in comparison to normal times.
, and if you could post the link it would be appreciated.
I’m not sure if you’re aware but the testing system for Covid was highly ineffective and was not designed for mass testing.The cycle threshold was too high so you could be classed as a covid positive case when fully recovered. It may have “ been mentioned on the death certificate “ but as the testing process was not designed for which it was being conducted then you clearly the primary reason of death was something else, especially when 20% of people were admitted to hospital with an underlying illness. It
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5077593
Always makes me chuckle. Glad to see someone is carrying his torch!
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cyril evans awaydays
What are you on about now ,as I’ve said , I’m not going to argue with you.The facts are there , but you refuse to see them.
You can bring up as many historical threads as you like - shows what you’re trying to do really and it’s a really poor attempt, but expected.
Why don’t you bring up the old coronavirus thread while you’re at it, that’s will be interesting, and of course the link I requested earlier in this thread. Thanks in anticipation.
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Re: No proof face masks ever worked against Covid, claims UKHSA boss
Dr Hillary speaking on GMB back in 2020 regarding masks
according to him very little benefit in wearing masks with covid or transmission of seasonal flu
I think the surgical N95 masks were deemed fully protective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QT9l8-ixOQ
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TWGL1
What are you on about now ,as I’ve said , I’m not going to argue with you.The facts are there , but you refuse to see them.
You can bring up as many historical threads as you like - shows what you’re trying to do really and it’s a really poor attempt, but expected.
Why don’t you bring up,the old coronavirus thread while you’re at it, that’s will be interesting.
It's pretty simple. You made up a statement that care home deaths in the second lockdown were off the scale when the graph clearly shows this to be false. You don't seem to be able to accept that you are wrong in this instance as the facts clearly show. Everything else is just noise!
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cyril evans awaydays
It's pretty simple. You made up a statement that care home deaths in the second lockdown were off the scale when the graph clearly shows this to be false. You don't seem to be able to accept that you are wrong in this instance as the facts clearly show. Everything else is just noise!
Whilst you ignore all the other facts :hehe: where’s the link ?
You a government bot or something MB ?
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cyril evans awaydays
It's pretty simple. You made up a statement that care home deaths in the second lockdown were off the scale when the graph clearly shows this to be false. You don't seem to be able to accept that you are wrong in this instance as the facts clearly show. Everything else is just noise!
Noise , you sure about that
Residents of care homes in the UK and elsewhere are known to have been severely affected by the COVID-19 pandemic. In the UK this has been clearly demonstrated by very large increases in the number of excess deaths occurring in care homes in first and second waves 2020/21, and by studies in England, Scotland and Wales up to the summer of 2020. However, to date there have not been any large-scale studies of care home mortality in England over the first two pandemic waves that have been based on follow-up of care home residents regardless of whether they died where they lived or in hospital.
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TWGL1
Whilst you ignore all the other facts :hehe: where’s the link ?
You a government bot or something MB ?
There you go. Third time lucky.
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...Y2NiIsImMiOjh9
Click on place of death then click on care home and hospital. You will see hospital deaths starting to go "off the scale" and care home deaths relatively modest.
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Re: No proof face masks ever worked against Covid, claims UKHSA boss
Hmmm
This says different
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...66776221002817
How come you swerve the other points raised , doesn’t fit your personal agenda does it.
Anyway back to masks ….. seems like they were a propaganda tool.
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TWGL1
Good scientific study.
What do take this to mean?
Summary
Our main finding is that the relative mortality of people living in care homes compared to private homes increased during the first – but not the second – wave.
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cyril evans awaydays
Good scientific study.
What do take this to mean?
Summary
Our main finding is that the relative mortality of people living in care homes compared to private homes increased during the first – but not the second – wave.
Seems like there is confusion
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...land-and-wales
However, not all such deaths would be because of Covid. Other causes cited by the ONS included delayed access to healthcare, known as “mortality displacement”.
Which I’ve already raised
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