WASPI women could finally receive compensation

Her Indoors is a WASPI woman

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...c1b7c2ed&ei=14

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Her Indoors is a WASPI woman

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...c1b7c2ed&ei=14

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looks like they have missed out again . all parties have betrayed these women

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Women born in the 1950&#39;s betrayed by Labour!<br><br>The Women Against State Pension Inequality (Waspi) campaign have described the Labour government&#39;s decision today as an &quot;insult&quot;.<br><br>Another labour U turn! <a href="https://t.co/nWiL1rGfoA">pic.twitter.com/nWiL1rGfoA</a></p>&mdash; Gordon Macdonald MSP (@GMacdonaldSNP) <a href="https://twitter.com/GMacdonaldSNP/status/1869029380275802399?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Labour are just assisting The Tories in electing Nigel Farage as the next PM, 4 years off maybe but it's a reality IMO.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of this the rhetoric before the election and now is pretty callous.

Even lost the Daily Mirror now, which is probably the most loyal newspaper there is to any political party.

https://order-order.com/2024/12/18/l...hypocrisy-row/

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Labour are just assisting The Tories in electing Nigel Farage as the next PM, 4 years off maybe but it's a reality IMO.

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I’d say it’s an inevitability - week by week, month by month, Labour are managing to piss off pretty sizeable portions of the voting public.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I’d say it’s an inevitability - week by week, month by month, Labour are managing to piss off pretty sizeable portions of the voting public.

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They have a massive majority but very shallow roots (based on the votes of just over 1 in 5 of the electorate).

The Labour vote in 2014 was well down on 2019, and further down from 2017 when that 'electoral liability' Jeremy Corbyn was leader (9,708,716 in 2024; 10,269,051 in 2019; 12,877,918 in 2017).

Labour have lost votes to Reform on the right, and to the Greens and independents on the left. That is likely to continue. They are a stronger bet for relegation than Cardiff City FC.

The Starmer government have made little effort to connect with the electorate, they have a managerial approach to governing, but without an inspiring vision, with poor communication, and with an obvious contempt for large parts of their traditional support. Even when they have done the right thing, they have done it in a cack handed way.

But from the two child benefit cap to winter fuel payments to Gaza it is as if they have set out to anger the public, and succeeded.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I’d say it’s an inevitability - week by week, month by month, Labour are managing to piss off pretty sizeable portions of the voting public.

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I think the Acid test for this is when Trump and his crew start deporting families by their 1,000,s it will be relentlessly covered by the MSM and it will look awful (rightly so) I think that many who champion this view will suffer some remorse and back away from parties who take this hard line stance, IMO a solution must be found but just rounding 1,000s up and dumping them over the border is unacceptable, Farage is looking a bit of a shoe in at the moment but a month or so is a long time in politics!!!!. When Boris had his 80 seat majority I never thought I'd see another labour government, now having been given the chance this labour lot in such a short time has made Boris look like a saint.

While in opposition
Hey WASPI women we are you friends we will help !!!

When in power
Feck you we are in now ha ha ha suckers !!!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

They have a massive majority but very shallow roots (based on the votes of just over 1 in 5 of the electorate).

The Labour vote in 2014 was well down on 2019, and further down from 2017 when that 'electoral liability' Jeremy Corbyn was leader (9,708,716 in 2024; 10,269,051 in 2019; 12,877,918 in 2017).

Labour have lost votes to Reform on the right, and to the Greens and independents on the left. That is likely to continue. They are a stronger bet for relegation than Cardiff City FC.

The Starmer government have made little effort to connect with the electorate, they have a managerial approach to governing, but without an inspiring vision, with poor communication, and with an obvious contempt for large parts of their traditional support. Even when they have done the right thing, they have done it in a cack handed way.

But from the two child benefit cap to winter fuel payments to Gaza it is as if they have set out to anger the public, and succeeded.

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I remember on election night someone said Labours win was a "mile wide and a metre deep" or words to that effect. I think it's an excellent way of looking at it.

Go evening isn't easy and I can see how this is a tough one but it's the way they made promises before the election that especially grates imo.

I can only hope they are getting the bad news out the way early. Unfortunately I think they have disrupted the economy and confidence such that it may prove to be a vicious circle

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I remember on election night someone said Labours win was a "mile wide and a metre deep" or words to that effect. I think it's an excellent way of looking at it.

Go evening isn't easy and I can see how this is a tough one but it's the way they made promises before the election that especially grates imo.

I can only hope they are getting the bad news out the way early. Unfortunately I think they have disrupted the economy and confidence such that it may prove to be a vicious circle

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Of course, the worst thing a Government can do is apply an extra tax on business, every business is now finding ways to pay the additional National Insurance and forgetting about growth for the medium term, all to pay some greedy train drivers and trainee docs, when AI will be driving them in ten years anyway.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Of course, the worst thing a Government can do is apply an extra tax on business, every business is now finding ways to pay the additional National Insurance and forgetting about growth for the medium term, all to pay some greedy train drivers and trainee docs, when AI will be driving them in ten years anyway.

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"The country cannot afford to compensate them".

Which is probably true in fairness, but the problem with saying that is that millions of people will say think of a great many things that they pay for that should be lower down the list of expenditures.

I honestly cannot think of a government that has squandered goodwill so quickly

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

"The country cannot afford to compensate them".

Which is probably true in fairness, but the problem with saying that is that millions of people will say think of a great many things that they pay for that should be lower down the list of expenditures.

I honestly cannot think of a government that has squandered goodwill so quickly

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Liz Truss has a pretty good shot I think

As for waspi compo, this feels like common sense to me. The campaign might have got somewhere if they focused on people who were actually unfairly treated, instead they focused on getting as many people as possible in the club, I guess thinking 'the government won't want to upset this many people'.

What I don’t get is how the policies that have proved most unpopular under this new Government are different to the austerity of the previous one? We were told that there’d be an end to austerity, but what are the ending of cold weather payments for pensioners and the non decision on WASPI women if they’re not austerity?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

What I don’t get is how the policies that have proved most unpopular under this new Government are different to the austerity of the previous one? We were told that there’d be an end to austerity, but what are the ending of cold weather payments for pensioners and the non decision on WASPI women if they’re not austerity?

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I think that under the Tories the Majority of the Waspi women accepted that Tories crap on the working class and when all the yet to be elected labour MP,s pledged their support on Twitter, they are all being exposed today, the optimism was raised, myself and my Doris always banked on getting FA in fact she worked the extra 5 years only retiring last October. The potential 3k payout would have been a nice Christmas pressie but alas not.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...payout-refusal

Lib Dems may force vote on refusal to compensate women, which has angered many backbenchers.

Up to 100 Labour MPs could vote against the government’s decision to rule out spending £10bn compensating Waspi women if a vote is held, encapsulating the fury on Keir Starmer’s own benches, the Guardian has been told.

One Labour MP called it the party’s “tuition fee moment”, given how many Labour MPs had stood with campaign groups in solidarity with the women hit by the rising state pension age. Many privately feel embarrassed by the move and had thought they were following Labour policy in showing solidarity with the women.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

What I don’t get is how the policies that have proved most unpopular under this new Government are different to the austerity of the previous one? We were told that there’d be an end to austerity, but what are the ending of cold weather payments for pensioners and the non decision on WASPI women if they’re not austerity?

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I think you could make an argument for why the cancelling of universal winter fuel allowance falls into the bucket of austerity but I would disagree. I don't see how not paying waspi compensation fits that description whatsoever.

I think there is a fair bit of confirmation bias on this board right now. People had fears that labour were going to be Cameron/Osborne mark 2 and they are sticking to their guns despite the budget blowing that theory to smithereens. Whether you agree with individual measures, I think it's impossible to argue it didn't far exceed expectations in terms of volume of new spending commitments.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

I think you could make an argument for why the cancelling of universal winter fuel allowance falls into the bucket of austerity but I would disagree. I don't see how not paying waspi compensation fits that description whatsoever.

I think there is a fair bit of confirmation bias on this board right now. People had fears that labour were going to be Cameron/Osborne mark 2 and they are sticking to their guns despite the budget blowing that theory to smithereens. Whether you agree with individual measures, I think it's impossible to argue it didn't far exceed expectations in terms of volume of new spending commitments.

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I can only speak for myself and my current feelings about Labour are mainly down to my dislike and lack of respect for its leader who is as much a liar as Johnson was (witness his public comments on his “friend” Jeremy Corbyn) and their naivety and cold arrogance (a truly awful combination politically). I don’t mean to make it all about Starmer, but what on earth was he doing accepting clothing and glasses (basic essentials that many who voted Labour are struggling to pay for now) as a perk of the job? Maybe, Im naive as well, but I’ve spent all of my life expecting better from Labour than this unimpressive shower are providing.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

I think that under the Tories the Majority of the Waspi women accepted that Tories crap on the working class and when all the yet to be elected labour MP,s pledged their support on Twitter, they are all being exposed today, the optimism was raised, myself and my Doris always banked on getting FA in fact she worked the extra 5 years only retiring last October. The potential 3k payout would have been a nice Christmas pressie but alas not.

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Yes, this Labour Government don’t seem to get that, under certain circumstances, expectations are different for them compared to the Tories.

The electorate seldom remembers much beyond the last 18 months before an election - they may as well get all the unpopular stuff out of the way now and then if the economy is moving in the right direction throw us a bone later

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

I think that under the Tories the Majority of the Waspi women accepted that Tories crap on the working class and when all the yet to be elected labour MP,s pledged their support on Twitter, they are all being exposed today, the optimism was raised, myself and my Doris always banked on getting FA in fact she worked the extra 5 years only retiring last October. The potential 3k payout would have been a nice Christmas pressie but alas not.

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Doesn't the fact that she worked the extra 5 years mean that she wouldn't be due any compensation anyway?

I thought the issue wasn't the raising of the retirement age per se, but the communication about the change leaving some people exposed?

There was a lady on the radio saying that she'd taken early retirement at 55 expecting to get her state pension at 60, that kind of thing.
Surely most people would check though before doing that?

Another woman was caliming tobe 100k out of pocket because of this - I'm not sure how she had worked that out, unless the state pension is a lot higher than I'm led to believe.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Doesn't the fact that she worked the extra 5 years mean that she wouldn't be due any compensation anyway?

I thought the issue wasn't the raising of the retirement age per se, but the communication about the change leaving some people exposed?

There was a lady on the radio saying that she'd taken early retirement at 55 expecting to get her state pension at 60, that kind of thing.
Surely most people would check though before doing that?

Another woman was caliming tobe 100k out of pocket because of this - I'm not sure how she had worked that out, unless the state pension is a lot higher than I'm led to believe.

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I think it was a sliding scale. er indoors would have been at the minimum which is fair enough it would have been a bonus to us rather than a necessity, however if you average the pension at 10k p/a over the 5 years my Doris had 50k taken from her for being born a few months apart from those who never had it taken, she started work at 16, only have ever not worked (2 pregnancies) not withstanding she then paid an extra 5 years tax & NI, like males my age i'm required to work an extra 2 years before a state pension it's kinda annoying, when younger i planned to retire at 65 or earlier because 65 was the age!! I did start a personal pension when younger and will probably still retire at 65 possibly 64 which will be my next birthday, i think if i was younger i wouldn't be rejoicing at the oldies getting F over, it's going to be even worse for them, they are only celebrating their future being annually decapitated by successive governments. I do get it that the old fckers are living longer and their isn't enough in the pot to go round, maybe we could do with a DOGE equivalent in the UK :xmashehe:

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

I think it was a sliding scale. er indoors would have been at the minimum which is fair enough it would have been a bonus to us rather than a necessity, however if you average the pension at 10k p/a over the 5 years my Doris had 50k taken from her for being born a few months apart from those who never had it taken, she started work at 16, only have ever not worked (2 pregnancies) not withstanding she then paid an extra 5 years tax & NI, like males my age i'm required to work an extra 2 years before a state pension it's kinda annoying, when younger i planned to retire at 65 or earlier because 65 was the age!! I did start a personal pension when younger and will probably still retire at 65 possibly 64 which will be my next birthday, i think if i was younger i wouldn't be rejoicing at the oldies getting F over, it's going to be even worse for them, they are only celebrating their future being annually decapitated by successive governments. I do get it that the old fckers are living longer and their isn't enough in the pot to go round, maybe we could do with a DOGE equivalent in the UK :xmashehe:

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The fact that it has been changed isn't the crux of their argument though - its that some people weren't aware of the change so didn't plan accordingly

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Originally Posted by Rjk

The fact that it has been changed isn't the crux of their argument though - its that some people weren't aware of the change so didn't plan accordingly

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That's fair enough but i thought it was adequately informed at the time.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I can only speak for myself and my current feelings about Labour are mainly down to my dislike and lack of respect for its leader who is as much a liar as Johnson was (witness his public comments on his “friend” Jeremy Corbyn) and their naivety and cold arrogance (a truly awful combination politically). I don’t mean to make it all about Starmer, but what on earth was he doing accepting clothing and glasses (basic essentials that many who voted Labour are struggling to pay for now) as a perk of the job? Maybe, Im naive as well, but I’ve spent all of my life expecting better from Labour than this unimpressive shower are providing.

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And that's all fair enough but doesn't really have anything to do with what you said, I don't mean that horribly at all. Politics should probably be less of a popularity contest than it is right now and I wasn't happy with some of the more egregious donations precisely because of what you say, I expected better too, simply put, it's pretty easy not to accept donations like this. But I think it's silly to let that cloud your view about every policy choice. A universal benefit for being old isn't fair or right and neither is a massive payout just for being a woman born in the 50s, given the massive debt racked up and the interest payments anything agreed now is essentially being paid for by taxpayers who can't even vote now so it needs to make sense.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

And that's all fair enough but doesn't really have anything to do with what you said, I don't mean that horribly at all. Politics should probably be less of a popularity contest than it is right now and I wasn't happy with some of the more egregious donations precisely because of what you say, I expected better too, simply put, it's pretty easy not to accept donations like this. But I think it's silly to let that cloud your view about every policy choice. A universal benefit for being old isn't fair or right and neither is a massive payout just for being a woman born in the 50s, given the massive debt racked up and the interest payments anything agreed now is essentially being paid for by taxpayers who can't even vote now so it needs to make sense.

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I accept that the WASPI women situation is not quite the same (my beef with Labour there is how they behaved about it in opposition and then ended up doing the same at the Tories when they got into Government). However, I don't get how cutting back on welfare spending in an attempt to balance the books after the previous Government had, allegedly, created a huge debt in the public finances is seen as austerity when it's a Conservative Government in power, yet it isn't when it's Labour in charge.

I see Starmer claimed that he did not think he's done anything wrong in the first six months of his Government yesterday - now he's lying to himself as well as the rest of us.

A crisis entirely of their own making. Firstly, I don't personally think these Waspi women have a leg to stand on. It's an awful campaign, based on what is essentially a lie that 'they didn't know about the changes'.

Which leads to the question, why on earth were Labour MP's so desperate to 'back' their campaign. Playing petty politics in opposition, only to then pull the rug from under the campaigners feet when they were actually in power .

Even now, that weasel Starmer can't just come clean. Instead of just saying no, he's almost trying to make out that he'd be paying if the economy was stronger.

When someone like Kemi Badenoch can attack you for dishonesty and playing politics then you really are in the gutter.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

The electorate seldom remembers much beyond the last 18 months before an election - they may as well get all the unpopular stuff out of the way now and then if the economy is moving in the right direction throw us a bone later

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:hehe: Right oh the pensioners will forget it :hehe:

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

A crisis entirely of their own making. Firstly, I don't personally think these Waspi women have a leg to stand on. It's an awful campaign, based on what is essentially a lie that 'they didn't know about the changes'.

Which leads to the question, why on earth were Labour MP's so desperate to 'back' their campaign. Playing petty politics in opposition, only to then pull the rug from under the campaigners feet when they were actually in power .

Even now, that weasel Starmer can't just come clean. Instead of just saying no, he's almost trying to make out that he'd be paying if the economy was stronger.

When someone like Kemi Badenoch can attack you for dishonesty and playing politics then you really are in the gutter.

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Thats a good post, I don't think they should get it, but Labour pretended to care and say it was wrong, now they are in power they couldn't give two sh!ts.

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

A crisis entirely of their own making. Firstly, I don't personally think these Waspi women have a leg to stand on. It's an awful campaign, based on what is essentially a lie that 'they didn't know about the changes'.

Which leads to the question, why on earth were Labour MP's so desperate to 'back' their campaign. Playing petty politics in opposition, only to then pull the rug from under the campaigners feet when they were actually in power .

Even now, that weasel Starmer can't just come clean. Instead of just saying no, he's almost trying to make out that he'd be paying if the economy was stronger.

When someone like Kemi Badenoch can attack you for dishonesty and playing politics then you really are in the gutter.

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The simple answer is because it's easy to stand by a banner.

Labour in 2017 promised some kind of compo for waspi, labour in 2019 promised an absurdly large amount of compo for waspi and was ridiculed for it by the press. Labour in 2024 had no mention of waspi in the manifesto and when pressed reeves said they wouldn't be doing it because it isn't costed.

That is the evolution of their policy stance and it looks pretty clear to me. If they want to say that they would pay it if they had the money then they can but it seems like terrible comms because they are essentially admitting they are owed it, which most of the people criticising labour for this issues don't believe themselves.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

:hehe: Right oh the pensioners will forget it :hehe:

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not just the pensioners - it's been proven over many elections in many countries that the voters in general have short memories

The old fkers had their 10 pound x mass bonus today happy days 🤣🤣

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I can only speak for myself and my current feelings about Labour are mainly down to my dislike and lack of respect for its leader who is as much a liar as Johnson was (witness his public comments on his “friend” Jeremy Corbyn) and their naivety and cold arrogance (a truly awful combination politically). I don’t mean to make it all about Starmer, but what on earth was he doing accepting clothing and glasses (basic essentials that many who voted Labour are struggling to pay for now) as a perk of the job? Maybe, Im naive as well, but I’ve spent all of my life expecting better from Labour than this unimpressive shower are providing.

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That is all fair enough bob but I just think you should try and judge policies on their merits along the way. I try and tune out of the punch and Judy, gotcha politics that has consumed every discussion/broadcast.

I tried to do that with the Tories as much as I could but I could never really understand what they were trying to do. For example they are a party who simultaneously believe that the UK should be a meritocracy and that inheritance tax should be scrapped, it's hard to take any of it seriously. I can at least see a thread weaving through labour policies, unfortunately a combination of poorly planned implementation and just shitty comms has let the narrative be formed that Labour are trying to 'punish' people.

The test is probably next year when they will need to stop hiding behind the 'we are conducting a review into x' and actually show if they are interested in meaningful change.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

That is all fair enough bob but I just think you should try and judge policies on their merits along the way. I try and tune out of the punch and Judy, gotcha politics that has consumed every discussion/broadcast.

I tried to do that with the Tories as much as I could but I could never really understand what they were trying to do. For example they are a party who simultaneously believe that the UK should be a meritocracy and that inheritance tax should be scrapped, it's hard to take any of it seriously. I can at least see a thread weaving through labour policies, unfortunately a combination of poorly planned implementation and just shitty comms has let the narrative be formed that Labour are trying to 'punish' people.

The test is probably next year when they will need to stop hiding behind the 'we are conducting a review into x' and actually show if they are interested in meaningful change.

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No growth in the economy this summer, just from the news of what she was going to do in the budget, businesses won't take any staff on or aim for growth, they have to pay for the pay rises in the public sector instead.

Tough times ahead for some!

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

No growth in the economy this summer, just from the news of what she was going to do in the budget, businesses won't take any staff on or aim for growth, they have to pay for the pay rises in the public sector instead.

Tough times ahead for some!

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Businesses are deliberately trying not to get more money because they are annoyed at the budget?

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Businesses are deliberately trying not to get more money because they are annoyed at the budget?

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They have extra costs due to increased minimum wage, workers' rights, and employer National Insurance hikes, which is affecting their growth potential.