Osian roberts- got Como promoted to serie A as manager

Fair play to him.

He was always known as world class for coach development and was a brilliant assistant to speed and Coleman. Obviously the job he did in Morocco is known around the world after what they did in the world cup.

However he's transitioned to the elite level such as viera number 2 at Palace and now a number 1 in Italy really well.

It's such a shame to hear the job he really wanted was wales manager and we have Rob page- undisputededly a league 1 or league 2 quality manager if that in charge.

He's way too good for cardiff city but I would absolutely love him here in any capacity. Number 1 ideally. That ship has sailed probably but there probably moments in the past 10 years where a club like us could have got him.

He is such high quality and well thought of that it would be a shame for him to come to City.

Was already agreed he would focus full time on his head of development role there at the end of the season.

Never really struck me as someone who wants to be the manager.

He'd be fantastic here in any coaching set up. As he would almost at any club tbf.

He is probably pretty happy at como.

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Was already agreed he would focus full time on his head of development role there at the end of the season.

Never really struck me as someone who wants to be the manager.

He'd be fantastic here in any coaching set up. As he would almost at any club tbf.

He is probably pretty happy at como.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49210949

Oh for the good times

Wonder if he drank any Perry to celebrate ?

(One for our older viewers)

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Was already agreed he would focus full time on his head of development role there at the end of the season.

Never really struck me as someone who wants to be the manager.

He'd be fantastic here in any coaching set up. As he would almost at any club tbf.

He is probably pretty happy at como.

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Lake Como or Splott Beach.

I know which one I’d prefer.

Come home Osian.

Apparently this year was littered with some magic moments

Como 1907 have had an interesting past, and I don't think it would be mean to call them a basket case of a club! This makes Roberts' achievement even more remarkable, although they have been financed by an Indonesian tobacco company since 2019. Thierry Henry and Cesc Fabregas are also minority shareholders, which would help explain how he ended up there.

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Wonder if he drank any Perry to celebrate ?

(One for our older viewers)

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He definitely had Magic Moments.

It seems to be unanimous on here over how brilliant a coach Osian Roberts is, and i have no doubt that he's decent, but my question is how do people know how good he is by just talking generally about his abilities? He's done well with Wales and Como. Ok, why has he done well, and is it all down to him. I have absolutely no idea, and i suspect most people don't either.

Ive also got no idea whether Osian Roberts is this wonder coach either. Hes 58 and hes hardly got a glittering CV.

Palace wasnt a success either.

If this guy is so great, how come he’s never landed a significant job in either the Premier League or the Championship?

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If this guy is so great, how come he’s never landed a significant job in either the Premier League or the Championship?

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I'm not sure but perhaps:

He doesn't have the reputation that comes with a glittering playing career. He seems to have taken a particular road in coaching and it's difficult to get back on the right treadmill. A large proportion of fans would be up in arms if their club appointed some old Welsh league bloke and he wouldn't get the time. Or one can be an encylopedia of knowledge but also sound like an encyclopedia.

He seems to have done well this year but I don't know the circumstances.

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If this guy is so great, how come he’s never landed a significant job in either the Premier League or the Championship?

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Football clubs and people who run them are normally stupid.

Why did birmingham sack eustacè when in the play offs and bring Rooney in?

Owners just go for names and are incredibly lazy.

Any club like Brighton or Brentford or ipswich who try and do something a bit different against the norm absolutely reap the benefits.

There can't be any industry run as badly as football clubs.

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Football clubs and people who run them are normally stupid.

Why did birmingham sack eustacè when in the play offs and bring Rooney in?

Owners just go for names and are incredibly lazy.

Any club like Brighton or Brentford or ipswich who try and do something a bit different against the norm absolutely reap the benefits.

There can't be any industry run as badly as football clubs.

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Why did Gérard and lampard get jobs straight in the premier league at decent clubs also? How did they get on?

Football clubs are lazy and stupid.

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Why did Gérard and lampard get jobs straight in the premier league at decent clubs also? How did they get on?

Football clubs are lazy and stupid.

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They didnt they both had jobs elsewhere.

Like Patrick Viera.

He was only "manager" in title as the other guy didn't have the right badges. All team talks, selections, and in game changes were done by the real manager. Can't be bothered looking for his name. It was discussed at length on the guardian football podcast this week.

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Why did Gérard and lampard get jobs straight in the premier league at decent clubs also? How did they get on?

Football clubs are lazy and stupid.

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I completely agree with you about football clubs, fans give 'Football People' way too much credit, it doesn't answer the point i've made about Roberts though-Why is he as good as some people say he is on here-Because i wouldn't have the first idea what he does or how good he is. That's not to say that he isn't good, i jut don't know how anyone can speak with any authority on his ability. Maybe, as fans, we're doing exactly the same thing certain football clubs have done with Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney when it comes to Osian Roberts.

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He was only "manager" in title as the other guy didn't have the right badges. All team talks, selections, and in game changes were done by the real manager. Can't be bothered looking for his name. It was discussed at length on the guardian football podcast this week.

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Cesc Fabregas.

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Cesc Fabregas.

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That's the guy, i think he'll be qualified for next season so will revert from assistant to manager officially.

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He was only "manager" in title as the other guy didn't have the right badges. All team talks, selections, and in game changes were done by the real manager. Can't be bothered looking for his name. It was discussed at length on the guardian football podcast this week.

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Good article in last months 442, Fabregas credits Roberts for guiding him throughout the season. He’s very complimentary about Roberts’ tutelage.

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That's the guy, i think he'll be qualified for next season so will revert from assistant to manager officially.

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Como getting promoted is still a good achievement whoever the manager was.

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Good article in last months 442, Fabregas credits Roberts for guiding him throughout the season. He’s very complimentary about Roberts’ tutelage.

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Good stuff, been a while since i read 442 :thumbup:

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Como getting promoted is still a good achievement whoever the manager was.

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Oh no doubt, fully agree.

If Roberts is so great, then why not make attempts to bring in Coleman? Roberts was, after all, Coleman’s assistant, wasn’t he?

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If Roberts is so great, then why not make attempts to bring in Coleman? Roberts was, after all, Coleman’s assistant, wasn’t he?

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Because that would be boring and he has already failed at this level recently.

Osian would be exciting as I'd genuinely love to see how he approached things. Who he had on his coaching staff etc considering his coaching links.

He's so well respected I would wonder what top managers would trust him with their young players.

It would be a breath of fresh air and exciting. How would he set up the team? How would he use colwill? It would all be fascinating.

It won't happen as that's not what cardiff city do so dreaming of days that will never be is all we can do I suppose.

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Because that would be boring and he has already failed at this level recently.

Osian would be exciting as I'd genuinely love to see how he approached things. Who he had on his coaching staff etc considering his coaching links.

He's so well respected I would wonder what top managers would trust him with their young players.

It would be a breath of fresh air and exciting. How would he set up the team? How would he use colwill? It would all be fascinating.

It won't happen as that's not what cardiff city do so dreaming of days that will never be is all we can do I suppose.

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That’s all fine and dandy and I don’t disagree with how interesting it could be, but anyone who thinks he would swap the chance to manage a team in on the elite leagues in league football for the shit show that is Vincent Tans Cardiff City need to jump in an ice bath and shock some sense back into themselves

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That’s all fine and dandy and I don’t disagree with how interesting it could be, but anyone who thinks he would swap the chance to manage a team in on the elite leagues in league football for the shit show that is Vincent Tans Cardiff City need to jump in an ice bath and shock some sense back into themselves

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Yep it's a non starter of course. But under new ownership (which also feels like it will never happen either) it would be a very interesting first appointment to hand the football side over to osian.

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If Roberts is so great, then why not make attempts to bring in Coleman? Roberts was, after all, Coleman’s assistant, wasn’t he?

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What you getting at, you don't think he's good. It hard to identify sarcasm or cynicism from you?

Wales went from 100 odd to top 20, and maintained it whilst he was in various job with us, many credit him as instrumental in that progress. Morocco went on to be world cup semi-finalist after he helped set up structures for them to progress, again he was credited with elevating them that little bit more. He was UEFA Technical Instructor for 10 years, somebody mentioned the praise from Cesc Fabregas in 442. Didn't he also teach in the Welsh FA coaching certification that had some fairly decent coaches pass through?

I'd take the word of his peers and trust them as its quite hard to recognise behind the scene activities and i'm going to stick my neck out and say he his probably very good at what he does. What Coleman has to do with the price bread here, i don't understand!

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If Roberts is so great, then why not make attempts to bring in Coleman? Roberts was, after all, Coleman’s assistant, wasn’t he?

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Sean Dyche was Malkys assistant.

Does that make Malky better?

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He's so well respected I would wonder what top managers would trust him with their young players.

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Is he really well-respected? If so, by who?

I must admit I find the whole thing baffling. I don’t know where this idea that Robert’s is some sort of leading light in the coaching world comes from.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d take him over Bulut any day of the week, but some of the plaudits he gets on here seem well over the top to me.

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Sean Dyche was Malkys assistant.

Does that make Malky better?

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Yes of course. Just as Bobby Robson better than his assistant Jose Mourinho.

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Is he really well-respected? If so, by who?

I must admit I find the whole thing baffling. I don’t know where this idea that Robert’s is some sort of leading light in the coaching world comes from.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d take him over Bulut any day of the week, but some of the plaudits he gets on here seem well over the top to me.

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Is that first question serious? I am really struggling to answer your claim he isn't well respected in the football world? There's so much evidence to the contrary.

He was a number 1 in the MLS aged 28 so not exactly a new comer to this management lark.

We've already discussed the jobs he did with wales and morroco. Hardly unknown success stories on the international stage.

Of course he is always in danger of being seen as more of a guru/mentor type figure than the main one but certainly his comments about being wales manager seem that's an image he is keen to shake off.

There's no chance he's coming to CCFC anyway but I'm surprised he hasn't been swansea manager before and probably will be in the near future. If wales can ditch page to get him in before that happens that would be great though.

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It seems to be unanimous on here over how brilliant a coach Osian Roberts is, and i have no doubt that he's decent, but my question is how do people know how good he is by just talking generally about his abilities? He's done well with Wales and Como. Ok, why has he done well, and is it all down to him. I have absolutely no idea, and i suspect most people don't either.

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I think most people would be hard pressed to point out exactly what a certain manager or coach is particularly good at

I don't think its necessarily just his ability as a coach that people point out, he's obviously decent enough at it as you don't get a pro job without being a good coach but there's a wider body of work with Wales that people point at away from the first team setup. He was the technical director for Wales from the late noughties up until Euro 2016 and is credited for implementing a lot of the stuff that helped Wales be successful. He oversaw the teams below the first team and setup the "Welsh way" pathway that saw all the teams play the same way, push home importance of playing for Wales and spotting dual nationals as well as helping professionalise the whole setup. He's also a big part of the Welsh coach development setup which has gone from nothing to being one of the best around. He was supposedly the tactical brain behind Speed and (especially) Coleman. He did a similar technical director job at Morrocco. I don't see him as a first team manager type

Thing is there though is no silver bullet, there's so many moving parts to football that just going and getting Osian Roberts and making him manager won't magically turn us into a Brighton, but bringing in Roberts, or someone like him, in that kind of technical director role and backing him to oversee modernising the club would be a step in the right direction imo

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Is that first question serious? I am really struggling to answer your claim he isn't well respected in the football world? There's so much evidence to the contrary.

He was a number 1 in the MLS aged 28 so not exactly a new comer to this management lark.

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I didn’t claim Roberts isn’t well-respected in the football world. I merely questioned your statement that he is.

His CV suggests he’s respected more for his work behind the scenes than for his actual management or coaching. After all, since the turn of the millennium he’s only managed Porthmadog and Como, who apparently play in a 7,500-capacity stadium.

Maybe his stint at Como will lead to a higher-profile managerial role somewhere. Maybe not. Time will tell I guess.

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I think most people would be hard pressed to point out exactly what a certain manager or coach is particularly good at

I don't think its necessarily just his ability as a coach that people point out, he's obviously decent enough at it as you don't get a pro job without being a good coach but there's a wider body of work with Wales that people point at away from the first team setup. He was the technical director for Wales from the late noughties up until Euro 2016 and is credited for implementing a lot of the stuff that helped Wales be successful. He oversaw the teams below the first team and setup the "Welsh way" pathway that saw all the teams play the same way, push home importance of playing for Wales and spotting dual nationals as well as helping professionalise the whole setup. He's also a big part of the Welsh coach development setup which has gone from nothing to being one of the best around. He was supposedly the tactical brain behind Speed and (especially) Coleman. He did a similar technical director job at Morrocco. I don't see him as a first team manager type

Thing is there though is no silver bullet, there's so many moving parts to football that just going and getting Osian Roberts and making him manager won't magically turn us into a Brighton, but bringing in Roberts, or someone like him, in that kind of technical director role and backing him to oversee modernising the club would be a step in the right direction imo

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Possibly a perfect candidate for DoF

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I think most people would be hard pressed to point out exactly what a certain manager or coach is particularly good at

I don't think its necessarily just his ability as a coach that people point out, he's obviously decent enough at it as you don't get a pro job without being a good coach but there's a wider body of work with Wales that people point at away from the first team setup. He was the technical director for Wales from the late noughties up until Euro 2016 and is credited for implementing a lot of the stuff that helped Wales be successful. He oversaw the teams below the first team and setup the "Welsh way" pathway that saw all the teams play the same way, push home importance of playing for Wales and spotting dual nationals as well as helping professionalise the whole setup. He's also a big part of the Welsh coach development setup which has gone from nothing to being one of the best around. He was supposedly the tactical brain behind Speed and (especially) Coleman. He did a similar technical director job at Morrocco. I don't see him as a first team manager type

Thing is there though is no silver bullet, there's so many moving parts to football that just going and getting Osian Roberts and making him manager won't magically turn us into a Brighton, but bringing in Roberts, or someone like him, in that kind of technical director role and backing him to oversee modernising the club would be a step in the right direction imo

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Fair enough, thanks for the detailed reply. I wasn't being flippant by asking, i genuinely didn't know what he does or has done.

Paul Trollope is also a well regarded coach. A lot younger than Roberts , arguably a better CV. We were terrible under him but did we axe him too soon or are these coaches just not cut out to be manager.

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