Praying For Armageddon , American Fundamental Christians , BBC Four , 10 pm

Absolutely nuts

God help us

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Absolutely nuts

God help us

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Goodness, you talk about Him more than I do! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Goodness, you talk about Him more than I do! :hehe:

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Pastor Gary Bird

Mission 25

Hells Angel Christian


We gotta take IT to another level

Take up your sword of responsibility


Nutcases

Jesus is coming back and I am going to be on his side

Republican Senator

Cripes

2 nations have been created to glorify God !

Israel and The United States

And apparently it says this in the book of armageddon

We who are evangelical Christians are going to have a great friend in Donald Trump in the Whitehouse

And most of them are armed

Turn out the lights

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

2 nations have been created to glorify God !

Israel and The United States

And apparently it says this in the book of armageddon

We who are evangelical Christians are going to have a great friend in Donald Trump in the Whitehouse

And most of them are armed

Turn out the lights

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And I thought Christians were all about love thy neighbour!

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Absolutely nuts

God help us

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What God would that be then - obviously not the one who doesn't exist? I'm afraid you're on your own then Sludge. It sounds like these Yanks are getting excited because there may be an opportunity to use their guns - yee haw, you all! I haven't seen the programme yet so can't comment further.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

What God would that be then - obviously not the one who doesn't exist? I'm afraid you're on your own then Sludge. It sounds like these Yanks are getting excited because there may be an opportunity to use their guns - yee haw, you all! I haven't seen the programme yet so can't comment further.

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For God's sake , Jesus Christ, Jesus wept etc are part of modern vocab

My next word could easily be feck , crap or bollocks

I put no psychological weight on them or my use of them

The religious right are simply an extreme extension of all Bible followers and indeed all organised religions

It's no surprise lots of conservatives are church goers and it's no surprise that lots of republican voters and politicians are Bible bashing extremists

The programme showed exactly why modern liberal countries should do everything they can to keep faith out of government and foreign policy

The influence and financial contributions the American evangelical movement have and provide is absolutely terrifying

The documentary should be on the news every night as this bunch of nutcases are far more dangerous than anything else

And it's all down to that Bible

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Pastor Gary Bird

Mission 25

Hells Angel Christian


We gotta take IT to another level

Take up your sword of responsibility


Nutcases

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Some say they came from outer space
But they are a part of the human race
If you know the place where they can be found
You may be the one who can wear the Crown

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

2 nations have been created to glorify God !

Israel and The United States

And apparently it says this in the book of armageddon

Turn out the lights

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1. Not that I saw the programme, but the reference is to the fact that only two nations have been originally founded on Biblical principles. And even to this day, they are strongly tied together as was witnessed in the defence of Israel when Iran threw a lot of their precious toys out of the pram recently.

2. There is no book of armageddon! Certainly not in the Bible :hehe:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

1. Not that I saw the programme, but the reference is to the fact that only two nations have been originally founded on Biblical principles. And even to this day, they are strongly tied together as was witnessed in the defence of Israel when Iran threw a lot of their precious toys out of the pram recently.

2. There is no book of armageddon! Certainly not in the Bible :hehe:

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‘Biblical principles’?

What ‘principles’ are you going to cherry pick to justify that statement?

If you mean both were founded on the principles of violence and racism you might have a point - although the separation of church from state in the USA doesn't fit with most of your Old Testament theocracy.

And The Book of Armageddon is the best bit!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

‘Biblical principles’?

What ‘principles’ are you going to cherry pick to justify that statement?

If you mean both were founded on the principles of violence and racism you might have a point - although the separation of church from state in the USA doesn't fit with most of your Old Testament theocracy.

And The Book of Armageddon is the best bit!

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For someone who chooses to cherry pick parts of the Bible lifted out of their given context to fit their anti-christ agenda, then there is no hope of them understanding what 'Biblical Principles' means, thanks for ticking that box.

As for looking at the state of America today, which is a patchy image from those who are living as Christ would want, to those like yourself who only have a completely secular and policitical mindset, then that has little to do with the founding of the Nation which was the issue being addressed.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

For someone who chooses to cherry pick parts of the Bible lifted out of their given context to fit their anti-christ agenda, then there is no hope of them understanding what 'Biblical Principles' means, thanks for ticking that box.

As for looking at the state of America today, which is a patchy image from those who are living as Christ would want, to those like yourself who only have a completely secular and policitical mindset, then that has little to do with the founding of the Nation which was the issue being addressed.

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Tetchy and garbled. Thanks for ticking the box.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Tetchy and garbled. Thanks for ticking the box.

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As he normally does.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Tetchy and garbled. Thanks for ticking the box.

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God ticked your box a couple of thousand years ago:

"But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it..." 1 Corinthians 2:14

I have watched about two-thirds of the programme so far. I didn't realise it was 1.5 hours long - it's pretty hard going! There are undoubtedly some Christians who are looking forward to the end times and I can understand this as they are, I hope, real followers of Jesus Christ whose ultimate destiny is in heaven with him. What is difficult to stomach is their somewhat gleeful attitude to those who do not share the Christian faith and who will get zapped as a result. On the contrary, myself, I feel sorry for those people who have been exposed to the gospels but have chosen to reject Jesus. I did my bit Lord!

I do not concern myself with predicting when Armageddon and the end times will occur but I admit the signs don't look too encouraging when I look around at the state of the world and ask myself how much worse can it get before Jesus returns? BTW the sight of Jesus coming back armed with an AK47 machine gun (as shown in the video) actually made me laugh out loud, which I immediately felt rather guilty about I confess! Beyond parody etc...

How these same people believe that Trump is some kind of saviour I cannot comprehend. The guy makes a mockery of Christianity - that famous clip of him holding a Bible aloft outside a church he has never set foot in! By their fruits you shall know them....(sorry Sludge). Indeed, could Trump be the anti-Christ? Discuss!

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

God ticked your box a couple of thousand years ago:

"But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it..." 1 Corinthians 2:14

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Thanks for the heads up!

Although (sorry St Saul) it doesn’t just sound foolish - the so called truths you keep peddling on here sound reactionary, racist and totally deluded. Also smug, arrogant and feeble minded. But much of that must be down to the way you are wired - not to what you call your faith.

Gofer shares a lot of your outlook (as do many other people I respect or admire) but somehow manages to present it with humility and doubt. He is a bit sad that the majority of humanity wont end up in an eternity of fluffy clouds and harps (we are victims of poor decisions, ignorance or unfortunate circumstances it seems) but no regrets from you. If you are really lucky maybe you and the Chosen People will be on the same cloud as Queen Liz II. A bonus in Paradise?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Thanks for the heads up!

Although (sorry St Saul) it doesn’t just sound foolish - the so called truths you keep peddling on here sound reactionary, racist and totally deluded. Also smug, arrogant and feeble minded. But much of that must be down to the way you are wired - not to what you call your faith.

Gofer shares a lot of your outlook (as do many other people I respect or admire) but somehow manages to present it with humility and doubt. He is a bit sad that the majority of humanity wont end up in an eternity of fluffy clouds and harps (we are victims of poor decisions, ignorance or unfortunate circumstances it seems) but no regrets from you. If you are really lucky maybe you and the Chosen People will be on the same cloud as Queen Liz II. A bonus in Paradise?

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* I hope you'll be able to pass on your apologies to Paul personally.
* Why is the Gospel racist? Christ died for all.
* In what sense [on things that really matter] do you think Gofer has doubts?
* Fluffy clouds and harps! Does your view of eternity extend beyond the cartoon version?

* As for the excuse of the lost being the subject of poor decisions. No, they are the subject of firmly keeping themselves on the 'throne' of their life; telling God they have no need of His Son and His offer of Salvation.

The most appropriate tune at their funeral is 'My Way' :sherlock:

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

And I thought Christians were all about love thy neighbour!

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After they’ve been crushed and reformed

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

God ticked your box a couple of thousand years ago:

"But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it..." 1 Corinthians 2:14

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How long does it take to kick in? I know a few who tried for years but he never got back in touch with them? What did they do wrong? Possibly calling the wrong number maybe?

They reckon 30 percent of American voters are evangelical Christians

People who believe the bible is the word of God

A book not even written by him or Jesus.....but its all true

And these nutters think jesus is coming back and this time he's going to be carrying a machine gun

They think the earth is just 12000 years old despite all the scientific evidence

And of course dinosaurs

There are plenty of evangelical churches in the UK too

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

They reckon 30 percent of American voters are evangelical Christians

People who believe the bible is the word of God

A book not even written by him or Jesus.....but its all true

And these nutters think jesus is coming back and this time he's going to be carrying a machine gun

They think the earth is just 12000 years old despite all the scientific evidence

And of course dinosaurs

There are plenty of evangelical churches in the UK too

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And the worst part of it is that the UK blows kisses up the USA's backside.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

They reckon 30 percent of American voters are evangelical Christians

People who believe the bible is the word of God

A book not even written by him or Jesus.....but its all true

And these nutters think jesus is coming back and this time he's going to be carrying a machine gun

They think the earth is just 12000 years old despite all the scientific evidence

And of course dinosaurs

There are plenty of evangelical churches in the UK too

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I think I'd prefer a radical christian to a radical muslim. I could never understand why anyone would want to 'follow' someone who had 9 or so wives ,one of whom was very young old when he married her - and the marriage was consummated.
It's bad enough having to listen to a bloke who thinks he can walk on water and turn water into wine, without someone who should be on the list, getting in on the 'Im the son of God, follow me' routine.

2000 years if you heard voices in your head you were some how connect with 'God' , try that these days and you are sectioned.

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Originally Posted by pipster

I think I'd prefer a radical christian to a radical muslim. I could never understand why anyone would want to 'follow' someone who had 9 or so wives ,one of whom was very young old when he married her - and the marriage was consummated.
It's bad enough having to listen to a bloke who thinks he can walk on water and turn water into wine, without someone who should be on the list, getting in on the 'Im the son of God, follow me' routine.

2000 years if you heard voices in your head you were some how connect with 'God' , try that these days and you are sectioned.

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I don't differentiate between Christians and Muslims

There are nutters within both followings

Thou shall not kill

Unless you are an American Evangelical Christian

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Thou shall not kill

Unless you are an American Evangelical Christian

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I was stuck on a trans Atlantic flight once when I was 19 next to a load of Christian missionaries, I’ve never moaned since about anyone I’ve had to sit next too. The flight must have been about 24 hrs….

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I don't differentiate between Christians and Muslims

There are nutters within both followings

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And there's always been nutters at NP and the CCS, but does that mean that there are no genuine CCFC Fans?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

And there's always been nutters at NP and the CCS, but does that mean that there are no genuine CCFC Fans?

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Me and the nutters have an interest in something that we can physically watch

I have no common interest with Christians

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Me and the nutters have an interest in something that we can physically watch

I have no common interest with Christians

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Incorrect, as I and many other Christians I know also watch the City. So how can you have NO common interests with us?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Incorrect, as I and many other Christians I know also watch the City. So how can you have NO common interests with us?

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You and the nutters support the same football team as me


But apart from being nutters then as long as they were not Christians we could have a cup of tea

But I couldn't really have any sort of serious chat over a cuppa with a Christian as they are on a completely different planet to me

They genuinely believe and try to persuade me to belive in something that clearly is utterly preposterous

A nutter who is also a Christian is like a Christian who is also a conservative voter ....double danger

In America the right wing Christian evangelical nutters are almost exclusively conservative republicans

It's all very odd

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

But I couldn't really have any sort of serious chat over a cuppa with a Christian as they are on a completely different planet to me

They genuinely believe and try to persuade me to belive in something that clearly is utterly preposterous

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Unlike your own, their abitions & destiny don't end on this crumbling planet, that much is certain.

No, trusting God's Word makes perfect sense, if you test it, what is preposterous is trusting in scientists who can't answer ANY of life's big questions, offer you zero hope and leave you angry, frustrated and without answers.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Unlike your own, their abitions & destiny don't end on this crumbling planet, that much is certain.

No, trusting God's Word makes perfect sense, if you test it, what is preposterous is trusting in scientists who can't answer ANY of life's big questions, offer you zero hope and leave you angry, frustrated and without answers.

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What you are wanting here is hope......answers to lifes big questions ?

For me they are food , shelter , trying to help someone , etc

Loads of people on this planet have hope and are frustrated by life but are not angry or frustrated by the questions YOU want answered ......which is basically the afterlife

I cannot trust God or jesus as I have been here for 5 decades and they have never got in touch and I don't know anyone who has spoken to them

Some people say they have but that's either fellow religious people like you and I simply don't believe them or people who have severe psychiatric problems and hear voices or suffer delusions like schizophrenics or those with bipolar disorder

They often say they are talking to God when very unwell but when they recover from an episode they accept they were not of sound mind

There is no evidence at all of God's word , voice , public appearances in all these years

We have had cameras , film producers and people who say they have seen or talked to God......no recordings or photos or film of God at all ......you would have thought in all this time God would have used his powers to let mankind he was there and those that witnessed his presence would have filmed or recorded it

It's 2024 , let's have some evidence

If I want evidence of a drug being given to me by a doctor for back pain being effective I can speak to him , other people , nhs 111 ,read the leaflet in with the package , look on the internet for the views of other users and try the medication and find out wether or not it actually helps

I can make an informed decision based on scientific research , lab tests , the knowledge and experience of highly trained doctors

Whereas someone can stand up in an evangelical church , sing a few songs, tell everyone about how great God is without any evidence he exists and if someone gets cancer then wether he lives or dies all depends on God who is the supreme decision maker

Absolute nonsense

If it gives people comfort then that's up to them , I prefer to listen to music , go fishing , give some money to a homeless charity without being guided by someone who doesn't exist or his followers

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Absolute nonsense

If it gives people comfort then that's up to them , I prefer to listen to music , go fishing , give some money to a homeless charity without being guided by someone who doesn't exist or his followers

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Indeed, you don't stop fishing for answers, which is to your credit.

It's a shame that your first attempted connection with God was with false man-made religion; this has now tainted all avenues in your mind including the real Jesus who is the hope of the world. I pray you find him before time runs out.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Indeed, you don't stop fishing for answers, which is to your credit.

It's a shame that your first attempted connection with God was with false man-made religion; this has now tainted all avenues in your mind including the real Jesus who is the hope of the world. I pray you find him before time runs out.

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Can i ask do children go straight to heaven?
Just asking after the deaths of two little ones in the UK this week,do they have to repent if so what kind of thing would they be repenting?

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Can i ask do children go straight to heaven?
Just asking after the deaths of two little ones in the UK this week,do they have to repent if so what kind of thing would they be repenting?

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Straight to heaven, yes. Children and other mentally immature individuals who wouldn't have the capacity to comprehend what God has offered them in Christ sufficiently to reject it would be in Heaven, I have no doubt at all.
If you have any follow up questions then do fire away.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Indeed, you don't stop fishing for answers, which is to your credit.

It's a shame that your first attempted connection with God was with false man-made religion; this has now tainted all avenues in your mind including the real Jesus who is the hope of the world. I pray you find him before time runs out.

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It wasn't MY attempt to connect with God

I had absolutely no choice

Catholic primary and junior school

Mass every Sunday and all the other holy days

I eventually thought this is nonsense as soon as I was able to realise it

From then on Sundays were a good laugh going fishing , playing football and generally messing about like kids do when they are not forced to go to church

If people at 21 are told about God and they choose to reject it or take an interest that's fine

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Straight to heaven, yes. Children and other mentally immature individuals who wouldn't have the capacity to comprehend what God has offered them in Christ sufficiently to reject it would be in Heaven, I have no doubt at all.
If you have any follow up questions then do fire away.

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God hasn't offered me anything

Priests etc have but they have many notorious liars and charlatans in their ranks

Online ministers , rabbis , the pope , monks , vicars ........they are not God and could be up to all sorts of nonsense

American TV Evangelicists .......sex offenders , financial fraud, extra marital affairs with the congregation , threatening women and doctors outside abortion clinics , supporting the bombing of gaza

If God got it touch with me we could possibly have an initial chat over a cuppa but that's it as far as connecting with religion goes

If a local church is collecting food for the homeless I will pop round with a donation but if they invite me to the next Sunday service or offer me a bible I am off before they can blink

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I don't differentiate between Christians and Muslims

There are nutters within both followings

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What threads have you started to slag off Muslims?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It wasn't MY attempt to connect with God

I had absolutely no choice

Catholic primary and junior school

Mass every Sunday and all the other holy days

I eventually thought this is nonsense as soon as I was able to realise it

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You are correct, it wasn't you actively seeking God, it was dry pointless religion being jammed down your throat.
All you experienced via religion was nonsense and only served to poison all pathways to God, both false and genuine.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

If God got it touch with me we could possibly have an initial chat over a cuppa.....

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What purpose would such a conversation serve from your perspective?