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At the very least negotiations re bulut started weeks ago. Almost certainly before then but the club said publicly weeks ago talks were happening and offers made.
However since then........
With us moving towards June how much longer can this play out for? Obviously the longer it goes on the less likely bulut will be staying. Then the new manager search begins etc......
Surely will be an announcement one way or another this week?
Im 75 % that he signs.
I am not so sure but then I'm losing any interest in the process as this should have been decided weeks ago when we knew we would be staying in the championship - it's all a bit shambolic really and seems we do this on repeat now hence no progress or stability let alone starting on the back foot re recruitment and pre season toursQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Let's hope the other board is right for once and there is something big happening - at least that will be exciting or probably not - oh I don't know 😂😂
I don't think his family fancy moving over here for just a year, so unless it's a longer offer he won't sign.
Even if Bulut does stay, after not getting it sorted before the season ended, Tan apparently having to be persuaded to offer an extension and a long period of clearly not seeing eye to eye about something, it doesn't bode well for a productive relationship does it.
I’d have thought it’s the safety net of compensation that’s uppermost in their minds not the actual relocation. Don’t think it’d be an issue if he were to be sacked one year into a three year contract and they returned home with a hefty pay out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Absolute shambles.
Circus is at the stadium this week, may as well get them a permanent residency.
He's been offered a 1yr contract - that's pretty much agreed. A manager with just Turkish football experience isn't going to be snapped up by a club in a better position than City, and I don't think his playing the family card will wash with Tan & Co. So presumably they're just ironing out a few details or else he's stalling for other offers as his agent puts the word out. Good luck with that !
“I’m losing any interest in the process” sums it up for me as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep
He should sign it - if it has been offered and then he should immediately start looking for another job.
Being selfish he should take all the money we are offering to make sure he can pay his bills etc - and then look for something longer term elsewhere. He should play the club at their own game. We cant commit for whatever reason - that is a 2 way street, he should do the same.
I'm not sure how much of that I believe, more that he's looking for a better deal so if it goes tits up, he gets paid up and he can stay here at our expense with his family and have the luxury of having lots of time to decide where to go to next.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
The silence is deafening
Same last year didn't appoint lamouche and then had no back up plan and wasted time to appear not the successorQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
This is the thing for me we have consistent key members of the board for a while and yet they just don't seem to advance and learn in their thinking
Pretty demoralising - what's that saying about doing the same thing and expecting different results
I would have thought the board would already have drawn up, months ago, a suitable list of replacements based on their footballing philosophy, recruitment ability and success in bringing young players through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep
If Alan Sugar was in charge, I'm sure he'd point the finger at Tan and say "You're Fired"...
A person on a message board stating that an experienced football manager shouldn't try to negotiate regarding his next contract :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
It was on 17th May last year that it was announced Lamouchi was not staying. I expect the Bulut situation to be resolved one way or the other by the beginning of next week, but that’s just a hunch obviously.
I think he’s going to stay and they’ll announce it when he’s back from Turkey next week. I’m past caring though. Club is completely rudderless. I expect Tan will get his way with a one year deal.
Nope. Further still, each day this goes on for, a day is lost in preparation for next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
The close season isn't that long.
I'm sure that the players and coaching staff only have three weeks off before getting back to training. Then it's the friendlies, then we begin again.
Another problem seems to be as the 1 year etc is so public if he does sign then everyone will know either the Clun have backed down or he has. I can't see tan backing down and offering longer? Bulut doesn't seem the backing down type either but maybe he will realise this is as good as it gets for him.
Likewise control and backroom staff etc.. if bulut gets his way its a huge message. I just can't see tan backing in to all of that.
It's not always a case of one party backing down. Two parties usually enter negotiations with their respective non-negotiable positions as a baseline but with tradable components in the background in order to reach a compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
We ended up with a manager who did an ok job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep
Despite the thoughts of some on here , I am sure there are plenty managers who would want the job at Cardiff.
Yes but they have had months and months to sort this out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
The club get a lot of stick but on this as a starting point I agree with them. Offer 1 year or bye bye. However for me his deadline should have been weeks if not months ago.
The drift makes it unacceptable either way now.
Recent history suggests not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
We've recently had 2 managers from abroad on short term contracts who had been in relative obscurity before us.
We've had a couple of seen it and done it all managers in warnock and mccarthy.
Otherwise We've had "up and coming" (ahem) managers like trollope morison and hudson who wouldn't be near league 2 jobs.
Not sure where Harris fits in.
I don't disagree that plenty would want the job but almost certainly they'd either be from 1 of the 3 categories the club go for- relative obscurity from outside the UK, a young manager a league 2 club wouldn't employ or a steve Bruce type (he's looking to get back in) who has seen it all and just fancies a go/extra pay day.
It won't be the type of manager that swansea frustratingly always get.
Don't disagree with that but why does it take so long when we knew for weeks before the season end we would be in the championship ,- any advantage we could have had over other clubs has gone now and we are looking at being behind them on player recruitmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
I agree about there being plenty who would want the City job, but I’ve always believed there’d be more, better quality, candidates for any vacancy if Vincent Tan wasn’t the club’s owner - assuming whoever was in charge had been able to maintain our Championship place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
We don't actually know about the complexity of the negotiations but it's significant that those negotiations have not yet been terminated (even if they will be very shortly). The situation is obviously not as black and white as some people may think - and there has obviously been some interest by both parties in hanging on in there for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
But unless we think bulut was lying or being economical with the truth it was very late in the day for any conversation to start over a new deal as he was consistently asked in press conference to the point where it became a bit of a joke - granted things may have got complicated now but surely an earlier start would have been more sensible as we knew where we would be playing for some time and we knew buluts current deal ended hence making it easier to resolve in good timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Exactly and if bulut was making all that up then surely he wouldn't have been offered anything at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep
They could probably negotiate and agree on an automatic extension if certain requirements are met.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I didn't mention anything about the juncture at which negotiations started. My comment was merely about both parties being still in the game - - and the situation is obviously more complex than just diametrically opposed ultimata.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep
I desisted from mentioning Tan because that opens up a whole new discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Despite Tan this is a very lucrative football club to manage , any up and coming manager would love to come here, lots of experienced mangers would be happy to have a go and show they can take us back to the greedy league.
Steve Bruce .... please god no....
Perfect compromise .After the last few results I doubt Bulut will make xmas if he does take the one year deal .Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Blink? Both sides fell asleep ages sgo.
Bit like the fans watching the last 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson