Is this where Farage could surprise Labour, Conservatives and pollsters?

Now putting aside pros and cons feelings on Farage, and thinking if this objectively and dispassionately, today I tried to think where elements of surprise may lie in this election. It is a good thought exercise as pollsters can get the scale wrong, even if the general result broadly correct.

Reforms main policies are:

1. Modern apprenticeships for school leavers
2. NHS funding
3. Income tax bracket revision (from £12.5k up
to 20k for basic tax bracket).

Now, where I am left scratching my head is that the press are running with the narrative that it will split the Conservative vote. Sure he and Tice come from a capitalist free market side of the argument - agreed.

But none of the above key policies are geared towards big business or the banks. Granted number .1 is ”traditionalist” and revitalises the old grammar / technical colleges line of thinking and more traditional Conservative. But it is to the benefit of non-academic students, and typically, but limited to, a lot of working class kids who may aspire to use their practical skills rather than academic page-flicking.

The NHS is also typical Labour territory. The latter third item is certainly targeted at the elderly and working class. Moving the lower tier tax band from 12.5k to 20k should release around 1.5k a year into low earners pockets - enough to wipe out the issues of bills and food inflation.

Despite his obvious flaws, and aside from whether it is believable, I wonder if the advertisements cut through, is there a danger of the offer of apprenticeships, more cash in pockets for low earners, and better NHS facilities landing in places like Burnley, Yorkshire, Humber, Welsh valleys, Stoke, Sunderland and the like? There is often a late surge somewhere in the general election. Or will his reputation that he staked on Brexit and its failure mean his believability be far less this time than it was when he ran UKIP and the Brexit Party?

I doubt many people will pay any attention to Reform policies - even if they are credulous enough to believe they are serious.

Reform will appeal to conservative voters (small c) who don't like immigrants or foreigners and a few sole traders who think they may get out of paying NI.

Mainly they will appeal to those who think the main parties don’t understand, respect or represent them - not only the ones who are nostalgic for an imperial myth.

I think this election will be more about gut feeling and less about manifesto promises than normal, and that goes double for Reform.

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I doubt many people will pay any attention to Reform policies - even if they are credulous enough to believe they are serious.

Reform will appeal to conservative voters (small c) who don't like immigrants or foreigners and a few sole traders who think they may get out of paying NI.

Mainly they will appeal to those who think the main parties don’t understand, respect or represent them - not only the ones who are nostalgic for an imperial myth.

I think this election will be more about gut feeling and less about manifesto promises than normal, and that goes double for Reform.

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Most people look beyond that slur about not liking foreigners which given Nigel Farage had kids with a German lady and now has A French girlfriend is quite plainly a lie. People who don't like people don't tend to date those same people.

The reality is they are against high immigration.

The last two years have seem absolutely unprecedented levels of immigration. Far in excess of anything the society can provide in time to keep up the same levels of services per 1000 people etc.

That follows twenty years or so of immigration that again was pretty unprecedented and aligns almost exactly with the period of time at which housing started to become increasingly unaffordable.

Surely you can see that it is not unreasonable to think there is another way? You don't have to support it, but wanting to return to something that was the norm for most of history does not equate to "not liking" a group of people. If someones child's class has 30 kids in it already and they don't want any more in it, it doesnt mean you hate those kids..it just means you don't think it's sensible.

👆 that said. I don't think this is Reforms time. Their time will come if and when the problems the country faces are not solved or improved by the next government.

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Most people look beyond that slur about not liking foreigners which given Nigel Farage had kids with a German lady and now has A French girlfriend is quite plainly a lie. People who don't like people don't tend to date those same people.

The reality is they are against high immigration.

The last two years have seem absolutely unprecedented levels of immigration. Far in excess of anything the society can provide in time to keep up the same levels of services per 1000 people etc.

That follows twenty years or so of immigration that again was pretty unprecedented and aligns almost exactly with the period of time at which housing started to become increasingly unaffordable.

Surely you can see that it is not unreasonable to think there is another way? You don't have to support it, but wanting to return to something that was the norm for most of history does not equate to "not liking" a group of people. If someones child's class has 30 kids in it already and they don't want any more in it, it doesnt mean you hate those kids..it just means you don't think it's sensible.

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I didn’t mention Farage or his views - I was just giving my opinion on who Reform will appeal to and why. I think many of their supporters don’t like foreigners (you said hate - I didn’t) but the main factor is alienation from the main parties.

I do think there has to be an informed and serious national debate on immigration - the pros and cons, and the policy options - but I will not be in your camp if it happens.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Most people look beyond that slur about not liking foreigners which given Nigel Farage had kids with a German lady and now has A French girlfriend is quite plainly a lie. People who don't like people don't tend to date those same people.

The reality is they are against high immigration.

The last two years have seem absolutely unprecedented levels of immigration. Far in excess of anything the society can provide in time to keep up the same levels of services per 1000 people etc.

That follows twenty years or so of immigration that again was pretty unprecedented and aligns almost exactly with the period of time at which housing started to become increasingly unaffordable.

Surely you can see that it is not unreasonable to think there is another way? You don't have to support it, but wanting to return to something that was the norm for most of history does not equate to "not liking" a group of people. If someones child's class has 30 kids in it already and they don't want any more in it, it doesnt mean you hate those kids..it just means you don't think it's sensible.

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Some of my best friends are continental!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Most people look beyond that slur about not liking foreigners which given Nigel Farage had kids with a German lady and now has A French girlfriend is quite plainly a lie. People who don't like people don't tend to date those same people.

The reality is they are against high immigration.

The last two years have seem absolutely unprecedented levels of immigration. Far in excess of anything the society can provide in time to keep up the same levels of services per 1000 people etc.

That follows twenty years or so of immigration that again was pretty unprecedented and aligns almost exactly with the period of time at which housing started to become increasingly unaffordable.

Surely you can see that it is not unreasonable to think there is another way? You don't have to support it, but wanting to return to something that was the norm for most of history does not equate to "not liking" a group of people. If someones child's class has 30 kids in it already and they don't want any more in it, it doesnt mean you hate those kids..it just means you don't think it's sensible.

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I am going to have to pick this apart

There are plenty of examples of xenophobic people who are married or in relationships with foreigners as a lot of reform voters would call them

Maurice on here is married to a woman from I believe Thailand and they live in the south of France

And I think it's fair to say some of his views are farage like

People of Jewish , Black and Asian origin can be prejudiced so its perfectly possible for farage to be

And he is if we are being honest

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Most people look beyond that slur about not liking foreigners which given Nigel Farage had kids with a German lady and now has A French girlfriend is quite plainly a lie. People who don't like people don't tend to date those same people.

The reality is they are against high immigration.

The last two years have seem absolutely unprecedented levels of immigration. Far in excess of anything the society can provide in time to keep up the same levels of services per 1000 people etc.

That follows twenty years or so of immigration that again was pretty unprecedented and aligns almost exactly with the period of time at which housing started to become increasingly unaffordable.

Surely you can see that it is not unreasonable to think there is another way? You don't have to support it, but wanting to return to something that was the norm for most of history does not equate to "not liking" a group of people. If someones child's class has 30 kids in it already and they don't want any more in it, it doesnt mean you hate those kids..it just means you don't think it's sensible.

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Well if the it's just not sensible arguement was prominent then reform and their supporters could have a valid point

But it's covered in right wing xenophobic nonsense

So bollocks to them

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I didn’t mention Farage or his views - I was just giving my opinion on who Reform will appeal to and why. I think many of their supporters don’t like foreigners (you said hate - I didn’t) but the main factor is alienation from the main parties.

I do think there has to be an informed and serious national debate on immigration - the pros and cons, and the policy options - but I will not be in your camp if it happens.

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We don’t often agree on politics, but for what it’s worth I thought your comments were measured and a fair shout.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I didn’t mention Farage or his views - I was just giving my opinion on who Reform will appeal to and why. I think many of their supporters don’t like foreigners (you said hate - I didn’t) but the main factor is alienation from the main parties.

I do think there has to be an informed and serious national debate on immigration - the pros and cons, and the policy options - but I will not be in your camp if it happens.

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What camp would you be in? What level of immigration would kind of level would you say is sustainable?

Given I want this critical piece of the social, cultural and economic life of the country to be sustainable and make the UK a better place, I rather suspect we are on the same page. I think any social progress at the current level is impossible because it is impossible to provide services quick enough, let alone the cultural arguments

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I am going to have to pick this apart

There are plenty of examples of xenophobic people who are married or in relationships with foreigners as a lot of reform voters would call them

Maurice on here is married to a woman from I believe Thailand and they live in the south of France

And I think it's fair to say some of his views are farage like

People of Jewish , Black and Asian origin can be prejudiced so its perfectly possible for farage to be

And he is if we are being honest

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It's also perfectly possible to think that 700,000 people moving to the UK in one year is far too many without that option being based on disliking anyone.

It baffles me how some on the left still don't get this.

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It's also perfectly possible to think that 700,000 people moving to the UK in one year is far too many without that option being based on disliking anyone.

It baffles me how some on the left still don't get this.

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You are saying that because farage has friends from different backgrounds and has had relationships with non British women he can't possibly be xenophobic or racist

That's what you are saying and that's rubbish

And that goes for many of his followers

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Some of my best friends are continental!

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And they are jolly hard workers !

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

It's also perfectly possible to think that 700,000 people moving to the UK in one year is far too many without that option being based on disliking anyone.

It baffles me how some on the left still don't get this.

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What’s an “acceptable” amount?

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Now putting aside pros and cons feelings on Farage, and thinking if this objectively and dispassionately, today I tried to think where elements of surprise may lie in this election. It is a good thought exercise as pollsters can get the scale wrong, even if the general result broadly correct.

Reforms main policies are:

1. Modern apprenticeships for school leavers
2. NHS funding
3. Income tax bracket revision (from £12.5k up
to 20k for basic tax bracket).

Now, where I am left scratching my head is that the press are running with the narrative that it will split the Conservative vote. Sure he and Tice come from a capitalist free market side of the argument - agreed.

But none of the above key policies are geared towards big business or the banks. Granted number .1 is ”traditionalist” and revitalises the old grammar / technical colleges line of thinking and more traditional Conservative. But it is to the benefit of non-academic students, and typically, but limited to, a lot of working class kids who may aspire to use their practical skills rather than academic page-flicking.

The NHS is also typical Labour territory. The latter third item is certainly targeted at the elderly and working class. Moving the lower tier tax band from 12.5k to 20k should release around 1.5k a year into low earners pockets - enough to wipe out the issues of bills and food inflation.

Despite his obvious flaws, and aside from whether it is believable, I wonder if the advertisements cut through, is there a danger of the offer of apprenticeships, more cash in pockets for low earners, and better NHS facilities landing in places like Burnley, Yorkshire, Humber, Welsh valleys, Stoke, Sunderland and the like? There is often a late surge somewhere in the general election. Or will his reputation that he staked on Brexit and its failure mean his believability be far less this time than it was when he ran UKIP and the Brexit Party?

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No they vote Labour no matter what and don't look at the policies.

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�� that said. I don't think this is Reforms time. Their time will come if and when the problems the country faces are not solved or improved by the next government.

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Yes or a more right wing conservative party.

I think what we are seeing is Reform and those on the far right happy to see the death of the Conservative Party as it is now and will move in after the election.

Presuming they do lose the Leadership battle will be interesting.

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It's also perfectly possible to think that 700,000 people moving to the UK in one year is far too many without that option being based on disliking anyone.

It baffles me how some on the left still don't get this.

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Housing, GP's, Dentists, A&E's, schools and everything else can't cope, so let us have unlimited immigration what could possibly go wrong?

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Housing, GP's, Dentists, A&E's, schools and everything else can't cope, so let us have unlimited immigration what could possibly go wrong?

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🤣🤣🤣🤣 we are doomed.

"When a comedian pretending to be a reporter, gives you the honest news and make more sense than the real media and government in charge, you know the country is in trouble". https://youtu.be/IBr2CojKYbg?feature=shared

reform are currently predicted to get between 0 and 6 seats at the election, with 1 or 2 the most likely outcome

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reform are currently predicted to get between 0 and 6 seats at the election, with 1 or 2 the most likely outcome

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I hope they split the tory vote and don't get any seats

Mind you farage might act like a fanny in Parliament and get shown up so there are plus points

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What’s an “acceptable” amount?

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Fair question. And not an easy one to answer.

It's not about what's acceptable though, it's about what's optimum to make our society better for those who live here and those who will, balancing the benefits and costs.

A good way to think of it is that we would all agree that the country can seamlessly accommodate one extra person a year. We can all also agree than 10million a year would create serious issues, therefore I think everyone would accept the answer lies somewhere in between.

For me it has to be far lower. In particular it needs to be lower than how quickly we can provide the services and facilities needed. 700,000 is the size of a very large city, which has hundreds of schools, doctors surgeries, hospital beds, parks, motorways, train stations, shops, pubs, all the rest of the things that a good society needs.

Most of those things, esp housing and transport require funding, planning and building that takes the best part of a decade. Doctors surgeries and schools probably take five years. As such we are forever playing catch up and the collective quality of life has been falling and WILL continue to fall at such high levels.

I would suggest around 75,000-100,000, focused where needed coupled with a mass reimagining of the education system to train people for the vocational jobs needed so that we are less reliant.

Very few people "dislike" other groups of people. It's about being sensible and grown up in terms of dealing with what is a profoundly important issue.

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Fair question. And not an easy one to answer.

It's not about what's acceptable though, it's about what's optimum to make our society better for those who live here and those who will, balancing the benefits and costs.

A good way to think of it is that we would all agree that the country can seamlessly accommodate one extra person a year. We can all also agree than 10million a year would create serious issues, therefore I think everyone would accept the answer lies somewhere in between.

For me it has to be far lower. In particular it needs to be lower than how quickly we can provide the services and facilities needed. 700,000 is the size of a very large city, which has hundreds of schools, doctors surgeries, hospital beds, parks, motorways, train stations, shops, pubs, all the rest of the things that a good society needs.

Most of those things, esp housing and transport require funding, planning and building that takes the best part of a decade. Doctors surgeries and schools probably take five years. As such we are forever playing catch up and the collective quality of life has been falling and WILL continue to fall at such high levels.

I would suggest around 75,000-100,000, focused where needed coupled with a mass reimagining of the education system to train people for the vocational jobs needed so that we are less reliant.

Very few people "dislike" other groups of people. It's about being sensible and grown up in terms of dealing with what is a profoundly important issue.

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There has always been a element of people who dislike immigrants , foreigners, asylum seekers

And that element is bigger than it has been for many years

It's very naive of you to suggest otherwise

I find these comments from you and your defence of farage very odd

He’s a nut case.

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There has always been a element of people who dislike immigrants , foreigners, asylum seekers

And that element is bigger than it has been for many years

It's very naive of you to suggest otherwise

I find these comments from you and your defence of farage very odd

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You aren't listening to what I'm saying.

You are saying (with no evidence) that dislike of asylum seekers, immigrants etc is getting worse. It isn't actually, but I cant stop you saying that

You are then saying that anyone who thinks that immigration could possibly be too high is driven by hating those people.

But that's nonsense. If you think class sizes are too big, it doesn't mean you hate children. If you think the roads are too busy, it doesn't mean you hate the people in cars.

That's my point. It's a perfectly reasonable belief to think that 700,000 a year, or indeed the post 2004 normally of 300,000 odd a year is far too high.

There is nothing wrong with thinking that, and plenty of evidence that it isn't really making society better.

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You aren't listening to what I'm saying.

You are saying (with no evidence) that dislike of asylum seekers, immigrants etc is getting worse. It isn't actually, but I cant stop you saying that

You are then saying that anyone who thinks that immigration could possibly be too high is driven by hating those people.

But that's nonsense. If you think class sizes are too big, it doesn't mean you hate children. If you think the roads are too busy, it doesn't mean you hate the people in cars.

That's my point. It's a perfectly reasonable belief to think that 700,000 a year, or indeed the post 2004 normally of 300,000 odd a year is far too high.

There is nothing wrong with thinking that, and plenty of evidence that it isn't really making society better.

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You are a white non immigrant

What do you know about the level of dislike towards immigrants?

The fact that reform ...who are a one trick pony with regard to immigration .....are hitting 10 to 15 percent .....is a clear indication that there is sadly an increasing level of people prepared to vote for an anti immigration party

I know plenty of people who are concerned about immigration but vote Labour , Plaid and even the tories

But 10 percent voting for reform ?

Do you think they are voting reform for their policy on green energy ?

Are you just arguing for the sake of it ?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

He’s a nut case.

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Farage or JamesWales?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are a white non immigrant

What do you know about the level of dislike towards immigrants?

The fact that reform ...who are a one trick pony with regard to immigration .....are hitting 10 to 15 percent .....is a clear indication that there is sadly an increasing level of people prepared to vote for an anti immigration party

I know plenty of people who are concerned about immigration but vote Labour , Plaid and even the tories

But 10 percent voting for reform ?

Do you think they are voting reform for their policy on green energy ?

Are you just arguing for the sake of it ?

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And that's the flimsy argument you rely upon isn't it.

Anyone who thinks immigration is too high? Racist!

And then you point to that as evidence of rising Racism.

It's a cycle based on lies.

There's plenty of studies that show that racial hatred in the UK is much less than other countries and not high.

I do think race relations is a tinderbox and could get worse, but I think it is your views that make that far more likely, as you don't seem to care a jot for the reality of absorbing a large number of people. Home owner in leafy Cowbridge, yeah?

The irony on all this is that you are one of a handful of genuinely hate filled people on here. You just think that's okay cos you align with your own views.

What are your views on immigration in terms of numbers? Anything goes? Some controls?

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And that's the flimsy argument you rely upon isn't it.

Anyone who thinks immigration is too high? Racist!

And then you point to that as evidence of rising Racism.

It's a cycle based on lies.

There's plenty of studies that show that racial hatred in the UK is much less than other countries and not high.

I do think racial conflict is a tinderbox and could get worse, but I think it is your views that make that far more likely.

The irony on all this is that you are one of a handful of genuinely hate filled people on here. You just think that's okay cos you align with your own views.

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You carry on defending farage and trying to convince people he's not a racist

You are boxing yourself in but there's no telling you

Get on with it

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

And that's the flimsy argument you rely upon isn't it.

Anyone who thinks immigration is too high? Racist!

And then you point to that as evidence of rising Racism.

It's a cycle based on lies.

There's plenty of studies that show that racial hatred in the UK is much less than other countries and not high.

I do think race relations is a tinderbox and could get worse, but I think it is your views that make that far more likely, as you don't seem to care a jot for the reality of absorbing a large number of people. Home owner in leafy Cowbridge, yeah?

The irony on all this is that you are one of a handful of genuinely hate filled people on here. You just think that's okay cos you align with your own views.

What are your views on immigration in terms of numbers? Anything goes? Some controls?

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Adding nonsense as you go along isn't going to help

You said yesterday that because farage had a foreign girlfriend he couldn't be a racist

That was the end of the line I am afraid

You should withdraw from the theatre of conflict really but you just can't help yourself

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Adding nonsense as you go along isn't going to help

You said yesterday that because farage had a foreign girlfriend he couldn't be a racist

That was the end of the line I am afraid

You should withdraw from the theatre of conflict really but you just can't help yourself

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I think it's pretty unlikely that someone would have kids with and date someone they hate.

You are of that branch of left wing politics who sits comfortably with zero offering on this debate other than to call people racist (quite a serious offence) despite the fear that may cause people and with no evidence whilst simultaneously having the complete inability to fathom that dealing with a large number of people creates issues.

It's clear now, you policy is to offer nothing except to shout racist at people.

If so that's fine, but perhaps you can go beyond that and explain what your more broad approach to immigration is and the unprecedentedly high numbers of recent years?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Fair question. And not an easy one to answer.

It's not about what's acceptable though, it's about what's optimum to make our society better for those who live here and those who will, balancing the benefits and costs.

A good way to think of it is that we would all agree that the country can seamlessly accommodate one extra person a year. We can all also agree than 10million a year would create serious issues, therefore I think everyone would accept the answer lies somewhere in between.

For me it has to be far lower. In particular it needs to be lower than how quickly we can provide the services and facilities needed. 700,000 is the size of a very large city, which has hundreds of schools, doctors surgeries, hospital beds, parks, motorways, train stations, shops, pubs, all the rest of the things that a good society needs.

Most of those things, esp housing and transport require funding, planning and building that takes the best part of a decade. Doctors surgeries and schools probably take five years. As such we are forever playing catch up and the collective quality of life has been falling and WILL continue to fall at such high levels.

I would suggest around 75,000-100,000, focused where needed coupled with a mass reimagining of the education system to train people for the vocational jobs needed so that we are less reliant.

Very few people "dislike" other groups of people. It's about being sensible and grown up in terms of dealing with what is a profoundly important issue.

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Labour have ambitious plans to build 1.5 million houses in the first and only term (they won't) so if we carry on at this rate there will be a much bigger housing crisis, how about a massive reduction in net migration so we can sort one problem at a time?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are a white non immigrant

What do you know about the level of dislike towards immigrants?

The fact that reform ...who are a one trick pony with regard to immigration .....are hitting 10 to 15 percent .....is a clear indication that there is sadly an increasing level of people prepared to vote for an anti immigration party

I know plenty of people who are concerned about immigration but vote Labour , Plaid and even the tories

But 10 percent voting for reform ?

Do you think they are voting reform for their policy on green energy ?

Are you just arguing for the sake of it ?

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Come on Sludge stop being stupid now, you don't know what colour or race he is and you don't know his personal views or if he or Farage is racist, people can be concerned about the state of the country and feel that mass immigration is adding to the problem without being racist.

Most of Europe and the US are concerned with the higher numbers of immigration and are reviewing their policies and opinions based on genuine concern for failing services and their ability to grow services and infrastructure at the same rate.

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I think it's pretty unlikely that someone would have kids with and date someone they hate.

You are of that branch of left wing politics who sits comfortably with zero offering on this debate other than to call people racist (quite a serious offence) despite the fear that may cause people and with no evidence whilst simultaneously having the complete inability to fathom that dealing with a large number of people creates issues.

It's clear now, you policy is to offer nothing except to shout racist at people.

If so that's fine, but perhaps you can go beyond that and explain what your more broad approach to immigration is and the unprecedentedly high numbers of recent years?

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I have no idea if you are a racist and don't really care


I think your continued argument that farage has been out with foreign women so can't be a racist is absolutely pathetic and laughable

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Come on Sludge stop being stupid now, you don't know what colour or race he is and you don't know his personal views or if he or Farage is racist, people can be concerned about the state of the country and feel that mass immigration is adding to the problem without being racist.

Most of Europe and the US are concerned with the higher numbers of immigration and are reviewing their policies and opinions based on genuine concern for failing services and their ability to grow services and infrastructure at the same rate.

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He's white

I have no idea if he's a racist and don't care

He's defending farage who most certainly is

I couldn't care less either way

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

He's white

I have no idea if he's a racist and don't care

He's defending farage who most certainly is

I couldn't care less either way

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How do you know?

He has no idea of my heritage but he is the kind of guy who likes to label people based on various attributes so no doubt he would like to know the angle and length of my nose if he could and then use it to make a load of generalisations.

Hes also offered no opinion of substance on this apart to label various people racist with no evidence for what is essentially a criminal offence.

How many times do we have to ask your opinion about high immigration and for you to ignore it and make wild accusations?

Just answer the question mun!

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How do you know?

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Call it intuition

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

He has no idea of my heritage but he is the kind of guy who likes to label people based on various attributes so no doubt he would like to know the angle and length of my nose if he could and then use it to make a load of generalisations.

Hes also offered no opinion of substance on this apart to label various people racist with no evidence for what is essentially a criminal offence.

How many times do we have to ask your opinion about high immigration and for you to ignore it and make wild accusations?

Just answer the question mun!

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I don't care

The biggest criminal offence on here at the moment is you trying to argue that farage , or anyone else , who goes out with a foreigner can't possibly be racist