Will a Starmer government really help disabled people?

His appointment of a right-of the party Work and Pensions Minister: Liz Kendall, doesn't fill me with confidence. In fact, it was the first kicking yesterday of many I expect to see against seriously ill people who are struggling and have been demonised for 14 years. I'm expecting the same rhetoric from this latest appointment. I hope I'm wrong.

Two articles for you to read. One from The G and the other from The Big Issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...change-britain

https://www.bigissue.com/news/politi...tate%20pension.

No surprise. We have basically a Tory lite party in office. One I didn't vote for.

You won't have to worry too much in the foreseeable future but the DWP look on mental health claimants in the same way as the insurance industry look on whiplash. There are about 250 thousand people that have that have claimed PIP since Jan of this year. They have taken on and are training bucket loads of people to train as assessors and they reckon it'll take years to clear the backlog.

The Labour party will do feck all to help anyone that deserves it. God help us for the next five years. In the words of John Laurie (Dad's Army) "We're doomed Capt. Mainwaring, we're doomed".

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Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68

The Labour party will do feck all to help anyone that deserves it. God help us for the next five years. In the words of John Laurie (Dad's Army) "We're doomed Capt. Mainwaring, we're doomed".

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They are definitely going to be doing more for the disabled than the Tories

If we are doomed under labour then the vulnerable would have been shot under the conservatives

Can we just give them a chance,they have not been in power a day and people are slagging them off.
We do not know what there plans are.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Can we just give them a chance,they have not been in power a day and people are slagging them off.
We do not know what there plans are.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Can we just give them a chance,they have not been in power a day and people are slagging them off.
We do not know what there plans are.

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I think their election campaign told us they are going to be like the Tories but not quite as nasty and not having parties or placing bets on election dates.

No . Mr Wes has already set his failure stall message out the NHS is broken and im meeting the junior doctors about the 35% wage demand .

Disabled issues only come into play when they point too evil Tories. It goes away then until the next election.

NHS will see massive private investment to pay for thier promises ,as per Tony Blairs manfesto fix .


Sone good news at Sir Bier conference today he said white boards will be going up everywhere to ensure the party recalls thier promisses, not sure if they will multi language ones sure to cost a few bob cant use cheaper versions or blackboards

Im happy to be proven wrong as it is critical real disability folk are attendeed too and supported, my worry the false claims suck away at the funds for those that really need it .

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Can we just give them a chance,they have not been in power a day and people are slagging them off.
We do not know what there plans are.

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That’s not how activism works. I’m not actually concerned about the party or the politics from an ideological point of view. I’m concerned about disabled people. That’s why I posted this on the main board. I’m more concerned about us than seagulls. Not having a go. Just stating a fact.

It's almost as if not much will change isn't it!?

Well this lasted longer on the main board than I thought it would. Good to know that. Jay Slater, Seagulls and tipping tradespeople is more important…..unlike….minority groups. This is not a political issue. It’s an Equality issue. I’m well p*ssed off now.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Well this lasted longer on the main board than I thought it would. Good to know that. Jay Slater, Seagulls and tipping tradespeople is more important…..unlike….minority groups. This is not a political issue. It’s an Equality issue. I’m well p*ssed off now.

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Well i do agree with you.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

It's almost as if not much will change isn't it!?

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Gosh you are bitter at defeat

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Can we just give them a chance,they have not been in power a day and people are slagging them off.
We do not know what there plans are.

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Lots of very bitter tory voters about on top of the genuinely concerned

Thank christ reform are not in charge

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Lots of very bitter tory voters about on top of the genuinely concerned

Thank christ reform are not in charge

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That is the worry for the future.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Well i do agree with you.

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:thumbup: I wasn't/am not p*ssed off with you. :ayatollah:

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Well this lasted longer on the main board than I thought it would. Good to know that. Jay Slater, Seagulls and tipping tradespeople is more important…..unlike….minority groups. This is not a political issue. It’s an Equality issue. I’m well p*ssed off now.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

His appointment of a right-of the party Work and Pensions Minister: Liz Kendall, doesn't fill me with confidence. In fact, it was the first kicking yesterday of many I expect to see against seriously ill people who are struggling and have been demonised for 14 years. I'm expecting the same rhetoric from this latest appointment. I hope I'm wrong.

Two articles for you to read. One from The G and the other from The Big Issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...change-britain

https://www.bigissue.com/news/politi...tate%20pension.

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Ony the ones in his Cabinet !

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Well this lasted longer on the main board than I thought it would. Good to know that. Jay Slater, Seagulls and tipping tradespeople is more important…..unlike….minority groups. This is not a political issue. It’s an Equality issue. I’m well p*ssed off now.

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Your Women's football has stayed on forever?

Well they get ignored and falls down the pages, but it wasn't actually removed.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

His appointment of a right-of the party Work and Pensions Minister: Liz Kendall, doesn't fill me with confidence. In fact, it was the first kicking yesterday of many I expect to see against seriously ill people who are struggling and have been demonised for 14 years. I'm expecting the same rhetoric from this latest appointment. I hope I'm wrong.

Two articles for you to read. One from The G and the other from The Big Issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...change-britain

https://www.bigissue.com/news/politi...tate%20pension.

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Fair play you had it right

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Fair play you had it right

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Please come back Citizen's Nephew all is forgiven!

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Fair play you had it right

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So what’s your view. Do you condemn hammering the disabled or do you support it?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

So what’s your view. Do you condemn hammering the disabled or do you support it?

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He is fully in favour of cracking down on benefits , privatising the nhs , stopping free meals for kids from poor families and very low taxation

That's until he gets injured in an accident not covered by insurance , gets cancer , needs an operation on the NHS to save his life etc

Then he will suddenly want increased taxes to pay for the NHS he now needs and because he can't work because of his operation for the next six years till his retirement he will suddenly drop his opposition to all these lazy people getting free money because he fecking needs help himself

What a cnnt

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

So what’s your view. Do you condemn hammering the disabled or do you support it?

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Of course not, I believe that people who are capable of working shouldn't be paid to stay at home while others work hard and fund their benefits. Genuine disabled people mostly need a bit more.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

He is fully in favour of cracking down on benefits , privatising the nhs , stopping free meals for kids from poor families and very low taxation

That's until he gets injured in an accident not covered by insurance , gets cancer , needs an operation on the NHS to save his life etc

Then he will suddenly want increased taxes to pay for the NHS he now needs and because he can't work because of his operation for the next six years till his retirement he will suddenly drop his opposition to all these lazy people getting free money because he fecking needs help himself

What a cnnt

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The only part I'm against is people fraudulently claiming PIP and other benefits. Supporting those who genuinely need help is important, but cracking down on fraud ensures the system remains fair and sustainable for everyone.

You are sounding more and more worried and stressed whats up cherub?

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

The only part I'm against is people fraudulently claiming PIP and other benefits. Supporting those who genuinely need help is important, but cracking down on fraud ensures the system remains fair and sustainable for everyone.

You are sounding more and more worried and stressed whats up cherub?

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So if you are genuinely concerned about ensuring vulnerable people get support ....its laughable that you are pretending you do ...why is it your contributions about benefits on here are about fraud which is inherent in tax , benefit , insurance claims , assholes parking in disabled bays , holiday scams ....in fact society in general .....why is it you are utterly obsessed with the 1 percent of claims for benefits ?

If any other area of life could get it's fraud level down to 1 percent it would be great .....you are not mentioning these

It's obvious why

And your cry that you are concerned about those in genuine need is pathetic when you suggest you are mentally strong ...lol...and wouldn't suffer and need help if you were in a similar situation

Thousands of men who served the country in Iraq are now under the care of doctors , counsellors and living as best a life as they can with state help

Very mentally strong people who have been broken by what they witnessed

But obviously you being mentally stronger than former soldiers you wouldn't need state support ��

You are a sanctimonious clown

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

So if you are genuinely concerned about ensuring vulnerable people get support ....its laughable that you are pretending you do ...why is it your contributions about benefits on here are about fraud which is inherent in tax , benefit , insurance claims , assholes parking in disabled bays , holiday scams ....in fact society in general .....why is it you are utterly obsessed with the 1 percent of claims for benefits ?

If any other area of life could get it's fraud level down to 1 percent it would be great .....you are not mentioning these

It's obvious why

And your cry that you are concerned about those in genuine need is pathetic when you suggest you are mentally strong ...lol...and wouldn't suffer and need help if you were in a similar situation

Thousands of men who served the country in Iraq are now under the care of doctors , counsellors and living as best a life as they can with state help

Very mentally strong people who have been broken by what they witnessed

But obviously you being mentally stronger than former soldiers you wouldn't need state support ��

You are a sanctimonious clown

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Because the subject is a clamp down on shirkers taking benefits that they shouldn't be, which would mean there is not enough money for genuine people who need it. I am against all direct comparisons, tax fraud, business fraud, blue badge cheats, Insurance the lot.

With regards to being mentally strong, it was just in reply to this lovely comment where you hoped all people with views that differ from yourself get cancer, heart disease, or serious depression.

"I look forward to the cries of outrage when your sort are on here moaning and weeping that despite being ill with cancer or heart disease or serious depression ....which like cancer doesn't care if you vote Tory, are rich , poor or whatever ......that it's outrageous that YOU cant get help or support

And I will be waiting to tell you to kiss your own arse , tough luck , cry away all day"

Or this beauty -"you could get to 65 , be a big tough guy like you and you are in a serious car crash or your missus drops dead in your arms or your daughter or son snuff it

It's got feck all to do with wether you have a strong mind you ill educated arse wipe

Now feck off and good luck if you lose a leg to cancer , I am sure your mental strength will get you through."

If any of that does happen Sludge, I won't be on here crying about it :thumbup:

Have a great day :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Because the subject is a clamp down on shirkers taking benefits that they shouldn't be, which would mean there is not enough money for genuine people who need it. I am against all direct comparisons, tax fraud, business fraud, blue badge cheats, Insurance the lot.

With regards to being mentally strong, it was just in reply to this lovely comment where you hoped all people with views that differ from yourself get cancer, heart disease, or serious depression.

"I look forward to the cries of outrage when your sort are on here moaning and weeping that despite being ill with cancer or heart disease or serious depression ....which like cancer doesn't care if you vote Tory, are rich , poor or whatever ......that it's outrageous that YOU cant get help or support

And I will be waiting to tell you to kiss your own arse , tough luck , cry away all day"

Or this beauty -"you could get to 65 , be a big tough guy like you and you are in a serious car crash or your missus drops dead in your arms or your daughter or son snuff it

It's got feck all to do with wether you have a strong mind you ill educated arse wipe

Now feck off and good luck if you lose a leg to cancer , I am sure your mental strength will get you through."

If any of that does happen Sludge, I won't be on here crying about it :thumbup:

Have a great day :thumbup:

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If you get injured in a car crash or get seriously ill and your insurance doesn't pay out critical cover or by the you are on the way out there is no NHS then even tory boy Mr mentally strong north cardiff will absolutely have to turn to
the state

Even you , absolutely

And if you struggle to get that help then you won't be as cocky about scroungers, you will have changed your tune completely

But it will be too late by then

So if that does happen to you then suffer away in poverty , I couldn't care less

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

If you get injured in a car crash or get seriously ill and your insurance doesn't pay out critical cover or by the you are on the way out there is no NHS then even tory boy Mr mentally strong north cardiff will absolutely have to turn to
the state

Even you , absolutely

And if you struggle to get that help then you won't be as cocky about scroungers, you will have changed your tune completely

But it will be too late by then

So if that does happen to you then suffer away in poverty , I couldn't care less

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I don't think i'd ever qualify as having lots of savings pension pots, but If I needed it that would be alright then I'd get it and should.

But if I am just a bit bored of work and enjoyed Covid months off, they should definitely tell me to get back to work.

But I wouldn't do option two anyway because I've got self-respect and am not a lazy bustard.

Try and grasp the difference dopey, the options are less for the needy and the lazy bastards, as there is not enough money to carry on as we are, or more for the genuine people who can't work, and people who can to work instead.

There's a real middle ground here which is to find out why the hell so many people are reporting mental health problems and address that problem.

I think that work is important and long term sick can be devastating and make matters much worse in many cases. Equally, people don't do it for a laugh. It's usually linked to some kind of trauma and "there but for the grace of God" is what I say. But that doesn't change the fact that money is finite and we need a functioning economy that people consider to be fair to find these things. Some people do also abuse the system though or don't use the benefit as intended.

Id be more content with cuts if the government talked about the causes and not just cuts. If you just pull the rug from beneath people you'll only make things worse for us as a collective.

I don't think this issue is as clear cut as some make out tbh

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

I don't think i'd ever qualify as having lots of savings pension pots, but If I needed it that would be alright then I'd get it and should.

But if I am just a bit bored of work and enjoyed Covid months off, they should definitely tell me to get back to work.

But I wouldn't do option two anyway because I've got self-respect and am not a lazy bustard.

Try and grasp the difference dopey, the options are less for the needy and the lazy bastards, as there is not enough money to carry on as we are, or more for the genuine people who can't work, and people who can to work instead.

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You are full of it

Your pension pots could go awol

You might have nothing

Then you might think you deserve it but still might not get it

And that would be so heartbreaking

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

There's a real middle ground here which is to find out why the hell so many people are reporting mental health problems and address that problem.

I think that work is important and long term sick can be devastating and make matters much worse in many cases. Equally, people don't do it for a laugh. It's usually linked to some kind of trauma and "there but for the grace of God" is what I say. But that doesn't change the fact that money is finite and we need a functioning economy that people consider to be fair to find these things. Some people do also abuse the system though or don't use the benefit as intended.

Id be more content with cuts if the government talked about the causes and not just cuts. If you just pull the rug from beneath people you'll only make things worse for us as a collective.

I don't think this issue is as clear cut as some make out tbh

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I am bored shitless there are so many arseholes on here know everything about nothing

Boring windbag feckers like NCB

Poor wife , one day she will shoot him in his sleep

Zzzzz

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I am bored shitless there are so many arseholes on here know everything about nothing

Boring windbag feckers like NCB

Poor wife , one day she will shoot him in his sleep

Zzzzz

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mr factory in, 'violence is the answer' , again

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Originally Posted by + the native hipster

mr factory in, 'violence is the answer' , again

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It's for the best

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I am bored shitless there are so many arseholes on here know everything about nothing

Boring windbag feckers like NCB

Poor wife , one day she will shoot him in his sleep

Zzzzz

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:hehe::hehe::hehe: Cheer up you need more dope, cheesy wotsits and porn you saddo :hehe:

Show them the nonsense you post on here and you may get through the reassessment :hehe:

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:hehe::hehe::hehe: Cheer up you need more dope, cheesy wotsits and porn you saddo :hehe:

Show them the nonsense you post on here and you may get through the reassessment :hehe:

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Shoot him love , he's a cnnt and spends more time on here than in your marriage

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Shoot him love , he's a cnnt and spends more time on here than in your marriage

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Oh God it's ten so he's woken up for p!ss I expect, busy day talking nonsense sludge???

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Oh God it's ten so he's woken up for p!ss I expect, busy day talking nonsense sludge???

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Go away and waste away you old twat

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Go away and waste away you old twat

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:hehe: Woken up again not the best nap then, have another sleep cherub :hehe: