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Starmer Seems More Relaxed
He's a lot more confident in front of the cameras than he was when opposition leader
Maybe he's going to be more effective and assertive than some of us thought
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Re: Starmer Seems More Relaxed
He has the potential to do great things. He’s in a position of enormous power and influence. As I’ve said in a previous thread, if he can act with honour and just 25% socialist policy this could be a moment in history. I’m not writing him off. But neither does he or any person in power get an adoring free pass from me.
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He must be eating plenty of red green apples.
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
He has the potential to do great things. He’s in a position of enormous power and influence. As I’ve said in a previous thread, if he can act with honour and just 25% socialist policy this could be a moment in history. I’m not writing him off. But neither does he or any person in power get an adoring free pass from me.
I agree he's got to hit the ground running
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
He's a lot more confident in front of the cameras than he was when opposition leader
Maybe he's going to be more effective and assertive than some of us thought
Yes,have to say
Igreyuslge
Sorry must ungrit my teeth
I agree with you Sludge.
Still , a long way to go
As he keeps stressing it's actions not words
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Yes,have to say
Igreyuslge
Sorry must ungrit my teeth
I agree with you Sludge.
Still , a long way to go
As he keeps stressing it's actions not words
In the time you have left its going to probably be a Labour government
Rejoice
All is well
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
In the time you have left its going to probably be a Labour government
Rejoice
All is well
What?
For the next 30 years.
I want my telegram from King William on my 100th old son
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
What?
For the next 30 years.
I want my telegram from King William on my 100th old son
Pessimist!
I'm hoping for one from George VII
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Originally Posted by
bobh
Pessimist!
I'm hoping for one from George VII
:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
bobh
Pessimist!
I'm hoping for one from George VII
:hehe::thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
bobh
Pessimist!
I'm hoping for one from George VII
We ex BT staff are made of strong stuff Bob!
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
He has the potential to do great things. He’s in a position of enormous power and influence. As I’ve said in a previous thread, if he can act with honour and just 25% socialist policy this could be a moment in history. I’m not writing him off. But neither does he or any person in power get an adoring free pass from me.
Steady on fella, he's left of Stalin!
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
He must be eating plenty of red green apples.
Sprouts
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Re: Starmer Seems More Relaxed
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
He's a lot more confident in front of the cameras than he was when opposition leader
Maybe he's going to be more effective and assertive than some of us thought
Makes no difference - the only way he can do what he wants is by getting growth - and he wont be able to do that - according to most. Unless he goes down the PFI dodgy money scam started by Major - but Brown went to town on it - and hid it off the books.
I admire your hope - but it's blind hope. All Starmer and Reeves will do is kill business and enterprise startups in return for vast public sector projects that will eventually end up in failure (like they usually do under these Goons)
You and your posh labour champagne sipping mates down in the vale are going to get a leathering (but you probably enjoy that sort of
thing)
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He's only been in the job 5 minutes and he's established 'we have too many prisoners ' I think we are in safe hands.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
He's a lot more confident in front of the cameras than he was when opposition leader
Maybe he's going to be more effective and assertive than some of us thought
I have never criticised Starmer and i wish him all the best but this is the easiest speech of his life.
It will literally never get easier than now
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JamesWales
I have never criticised Starmer and i wish him all the best but this is the easiest speech of his life.
It will literally never get easier than now
Starmer is boring and about as uninspiring as an unbuttered ham sandwich on shit white bread. He also has no answers, which will mean he will be found out all the words he has used against the Tories will be thrown back at him in due course.
:shrug:
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Starmer is boring and about as uninspiring as an unbuttered ham sandwich on shit white bread. He also has no answers, which will mean he will be found out all the words he has used against the Tories will be thrown back at him in due course.
:shrug:
You can be a bit creepy sometimes Cyril, but you have me there!
I should rephrase...I have rarely criticised him..
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
You can be a bit creepy sometimes Cyril, but you have me there!
I should rephrase...I have rarely criticised him..
You sure you want to rest at rarely? It might get both of us a good night's sleep!:hehe:
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The utterly stupid Rwanda gimmick is finally binned too. Good start! :-)
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Originally Posted by
Swiss Peter
The utterly stupid Rwanda gimmick is finally binned too. Good start! :-)
Not really Peter. Lots of countries were lining up behind it. Could be a historic mistake, especially if continental countries beat us to implementing such a policy.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Not really Peter. Lots of countries were lining up behind it. Could be a historic mistake, especially if continental countries beat us to implementing such a policy.
Ok. Do you think Starmer has not spoken to 'lots of other countries' and has an idea what a more deliverable policy might look like?
He'll get closer to the EU too James. It's one of his few options for eeking out some growth.
I can see why you are unhappy.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Not really Peter. Lots of countries were lining up behind it. Could be a historic mistake, especially if continental countries beat us to implementing such a policy.
I always had some silly idea that the Tory Rwanda plan was so half baked in its unequeness that no sane other nation would follow it as it inexorably led you to becoming a leper under international law to make it work.
Which other countries are "spaffing" hundreds of millions of pounds (Johnson's words not mine) up against a wall in the way that the UK was planning to?
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Tories still got 120 seats after 14 years of utter corruption and incompetence. Labour get one week to sort it out.
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
I always had some silly idea that the Tory Rwanda plan was so half baked in its unequeness that no sane other nation would follow it as it inexorably led you to becoming a leper under international law to make it work.
Which other countries are "spaffing" hundreds of millions of pounds (Johnson's words not mine) up against a wall in the way that the UK was planning to?
As with so many critics of the UK Cyril, you seem to do it from a position of not knowing what is happening across Europe.
Honestly, following European politics helps explain a good 75% of what is happening in the UK!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ration-reforms
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Starmer is boring and about as uninspiring as an unbuttered ham sandwich on shit white bread. He also has no answers, which will mean he will be found out all the words he has used against the Tories will be thrown back at him in due course.
:shrug:
Oops
More lies than Boris
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Re: Starmer Seems More Relaxed
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Originally Posted by
pipster
Makes no difference - the only way he can do what he wants is by getting growth - and he wont be able to do that - according to most. Unless he goes down the PFI dodgy money scam started by Major - but Brown went to town on it - and hid it off the books.
I admire your hope - but it's blind hope. All Starmer and Reeves will do is kill business and enterprise startups in return for vast public sector projects that will eventually end up in failure (like they usually do under these Goons)
You and your posh labour champagne sipping mates down in the vale are going to get a leathering (but you probably enjoy that sort of
thing)
I will leave that to tory mps
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Re: Starmer Seems More Relaxed
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
You can be a bit creepy sometimes Cyril, but you have me there!
I should rephrase...I have rarely criticised him..
That's not true either
I am afraid you have shot your bolt
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
As with so many critics of the UK Cyril, you seem to do it from a position of not knowing what is happening across Europe.
Honestly, following European politics helps explain a good 75% of what is happening in the UK!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ration-reforms
Can you explain what "Rwanda-style" means. Just so you know what is happening across Europe and how that gels with the Tory tosh you have spewed out for the last years and your love of the idea of leaving the ECHR you should have the difference at your finger tips!
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We can look forward to 6500 teachers hundreds of specialised border controllers and the NHS sorted. All that with the Chancellor saying we haven't got a pot to pith in.
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
We can look forward to 6500 teachers hundreds of specialised border controllers and the NHS sorted. All that with the Chancellor saying we haven't got a pot to pith in.
Well that's not what she said
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
We can look forward to 6500 teachers hundreds of specialised border controllers and the NHS sorted. All that with the Chancellor saying we haven't got a pot to pith in.
Everything will get fixed now, 20 mph nonsense reversed, cardiff airport sorted, desperately needed new schools built, no more 3 week waits fir Dr’s, new houses built for 1st time buyers and those who are just to lazy to do anything, new m4 relief rd, cycle tracks built in right places for once, nhs waits down to a month not 6, no tax until you earn 20k, more tax to utilities to subsidise the increases we all suffer for no reason bar new Hitlers actions, ccfc promoted and never to go down again…..
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The nhs employs about 1,500,000 people
It is something like the 5th joint largest employing the world. If it isn’t fixed with that amount of people, then it isn’t a people problem.
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Can you explain what "Rwanda-style" means. Just so you know what is happening across Europe and how that gels with the Tory tosh you have spewed out for the last years and your love of the idea of leaving the ECHR you should have the difference at your finger tips!
"Rwanda style" would presumably mean offshoring processing to a safe third country.
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Originally Posted by
pipster
The nhs employs about 1,500,000 people
It is something like the 5th joint largest employing the world. If it isn’t fixed with that amount of people, then it isn’t a people problem.
I think the actual figure is 1.7m - including a lot of expensive agency staff and a lot of vacancies and sickness absences (especially since the Covid crisis). It is a system that is under stress - and investment in the people who work there is part of the fix.
At least the waste of the internal market is gone (or on its way out). More proper planning and building the capacity needed (in 2020 the UK had a quarter of the ICU beds per head compared to Germany, and 10% compared to the USA - although the capacity there was skewed towards private hospitals). Less playing Thatcherite shop experiments.
All countries will need to spend more on health and social care as populations age. And that will require big workforces. I just hope the UK solution to its health and care problems isn't Wes Streeting turning us into a junior USA - but I think that's his direction of travel.
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JamesWales
"Rwanda style" would presumably mean offshoring processing to a safe third country.
No it would mean pouring £370m down the toilet on a stunt to excite the flagging interest of Daily Express readers; it would mean paying a couple of people £3k to go to Rwanda on holiday; it would mean the government tying itself into legal and ethical knots to declare a receiving country 'safe' through the power of wishful thinking - and a whipped vote in Parliament; it would mean spending vast amounts of money and reputation on a scheme that at full capacity would only take 0.7% of small boat numbers (other means of entry to the UK by asylum seekers and 'illegal' migrants are not in the frame and make the Rwanda scheme even more insignificant); and it would mean shouting about the deterrent effect in the face of all the evidence that there is none.
That is 'Rwanda style'. :thumbup:
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Re: Starmer Seems More Relaxed
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
He's a lot more confident in front of the cameras than he was when opposition leader
Maybe he's going to be more effective and assertive than some of us thought
Give him a week he'll be stressed and not know what day of the week it is, a months and the lefties and unions will be battering the sh!t out of him. It's easy in opposition, when you have to do the job, with constant moaning it's a lot harder, Farage will batter him from the other side too, he'llll be a wreck in five years when he leaves number ten again, if he's not pushed out before.
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Re: Starmer Seems More Relaxed
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
He has the potential to do great things. He’s in a position of enormous power and influence. As I’ve said in a previous thread, if he can act with honour and just 25% socialist policy this could be a moment in history. I’m not writing him off. But neither does he or any person in power get an adoring free pass from me.
He won't do anything don't fool yourself.
Sorry, he's appointed some knob from a shoe bar key-cutting stall and wants to reduce prisoner numbers, because breaking into Granny's houses isn't that bad apparently they are nice lovely people that need a few more cuddles and hugs, or bless em!
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Give him a week he'll be stressed and not know what day of the week it is, a months and the lefties and unions will be battering the sh!t out of him. It's easy in opposition, when you have to do the job, with constant moaning it's a lot harder, Farage will batter him from the other side too, he'llll be a wreck in five years when he leaves number ten again, if he's not pushed out before.
Recall their previous hero, Tony bliar, looked quite young and lively when he got in, looked about 20 years older by the time he’d ruined the country and the Middle East
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
He won't do anything don't fool yourself.
Sorry, he's appointed some knob from a shoe bar key-cutting stall and wants to reduce prisoner numbers, because breaking into Granny's houses isn't that bad apparently they are nice lovely people that need a few more cuddles and hugs, or bless em!
Your lot lost, get over it stop bitching like a big girls blouse.
Give the man a chance.