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Anyone been? Anyone got advice?
I've looked at organized tours from the US and they look very pricey - Viking River Cruises is $6-10k per person for 12 nights (including a Nile cruise). Anyone ever been on a Viking cruise?
I want to go (Alitalia has very cheap fares to Cairo at the moment for some reason) but don't know where to start. And nobody here has ever been.
I’ve been diving in the Red Sea, I loved it & did a couple of nights in the desert, camel Safari, clear skies. My wife on the other hand was very uncomfortable due to the overbearing attitude and sexism of the men. They only offered 3 camels! We decided not to go back.
Do it yourself, backpack it. Dead easy in Egypt and dirt cheap.
I went there three years ago but I backpack and don't join any tourist trips, groups or organisations. I also get a perverse pleasure in not staying in plush hotels and not using taxis.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
(I met a Basque language teacher on a local bus and met up with him in Bilbao this year, which was very rewarding).
I went to the pyramids near to Cairo but via the entrance reserved for the locals. Had to see them on horse to really appreciate them (although I am not the equestrian type). Seeing Tutankhamen's death mask in the national museum was unbelievably stunning.
I entered Gambia this morning after a few days in Dakar, Senegal. I didn't see a single tourist, tourist bus or white face in the city in the two days I schlepped around the place, weaving in and out of backstreets as well as in the centre.
Gambia has tourism in parts but I'm avoiding those areas although people pestered me on leaving the airport in a way that just doesn't seem.to happen in Senegal. I'll be returning to Dakar on Saturday (by overland bus) and flying home on Monday in time to see the Wales game.
I didn't really like it, beautiful weather, people generally are very beggy, there is a huge tip culture (which is okay in itself, but people go over the top there I found) I went with my girlfriend and they wouldn't speak to her unless I was there (she's a very strong woman, earns more than me etc) animal cruelty is rife, camels and horses on the beach in sweltering heat, no water or shade, visible marks from straps etc.
we went on a cruise ( not Viking though ), stopped off at Alexandria and then Port Said, saw the pyramids and did the usual tourist stuff, its a 3rd world country and it shows, we walked back to the ship and had a few challenging encounters with blokes, it was a little edgy to be honest
it is defiantly a once and done for us
Doesn't the rape and pillage become rather repetitive on those Viking cruises?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I went albeit 30 years ago and even now it was one of the best places I have ever visited. (You are even allowed to go INSIDE the pyramids!)Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
We did a week long Nile cruise turning around at the Aswan dam before spending a week in Cairo. The valley of the Kings was breathtaking and I would never have thought that I’d be taken by that sort of thing.
It was incredibly interesting and even now, like nothing I have seen.
My only regret is not spending the now rather paltry £99 pounds to fly to Abu Simbel.
Do it! You will NOT regret it.
I have been four times and think it is a great country. People are very friendly and there is loads to see. Yes it is dirty and the 'hassle' merchants are world class, but the sights to see are also world class. You just need to be firm with the hawkers. Learning a few Arabic swear words helps.
Did a two centre (Cairo and Luxor) in the late eighties, a two centre (Luxor and Aswan) in the early 90s, a week over Christmas in Luxor about 2000 and a week playing croquet for Wales in Cairo about 10 years ago.
Pyramids are worth seeing and bigger than you expect. The Tutankhamun exhibits in the Cairo Museum are outstanding, though the old museum is very old fashioned - a new museum is being built near the Pyramids and most exhibits will be moved there. First time I went to the museum it was very busy, but I went a few days later on Sunday afternoon and I was the only person in the room with the death mask.
Luxor is superb and fairly relaxing and Aswan even more relaxing. Did a bus trip down to Abu Simbel from Aswan and again that is well worth seeing.
The Valley of the Kings at Luxor is a real highlight and some of the tombs are enormous with incredible paintings in them.
Have not done a cruise but we did do a one day boat trip from Luxor down river to Denderah and that was most enjoyable. The boat stopped on the northern outskirts of Luxor for a few soldiers to board with a large machine gun. I think most passengers on board did not spot this.
Genuine thanks to everyone who has responded.
We have been twice.
Once in early 90s that included Cairo, Luxor, Aswan, Abu Simbel with all the main historic sites, with a 4 day cruise down the Nile in a paddle streamer! My highlight was a dawn hot air balloon ride over the Valley Of The Kings which was amazing.
When we first went it was only about 5 years after the Luxor Massacre, and most tourist buses still had armed police or soldiers on the roofs when they were on the highway in central Egypt - but most days there was no shooting!
A few tourists and a guide were killed about a year ago in Alexandria, but that was the first time for a lot of years. Generally it is safe and full of visitors.
Giza and going inside the pyramids was fantastic - and it was a surprise how close the edge of Cairo is to the site. All the touristy photos make it look like it is out in the desert by itself. It isn't.
The second time in the late 90s was a Red Sea resort and Cairo. Not as mind blowing, but a chance to go back to the Cairo museums and see a bit more of the north.
It is an amazing country - you could spend months there and still not see all you want to see. There was some hassle, but not as bad as Morocco.
I thought the pyramids were rubbish personally. No higher than my house.
I went there about 20 years ago and the highlight for me was the Cairo Museum. Like a previous poster, I too was left alone with the death mask of King Tutenkhamen. A very profound moment with just me and probably the most famous relic on the planet, it was very surreal.
The sphinx and the pyramids were a must see but too many locals wanting some baksheesh made it less enjoyable that it could have been.
As for Cairo itself, it is a dirty place and not uncommon to see a dead horse or two floating in water courses.
My missus went on a Nile cruise with my daughter and had a fabulous time, especially the hot air balloon trip over the Valley of the Kings, albeit having to be up at first light.
I’ve been to Sharm and found it seedy tourist trap but the Red Sea diving was incredible.
I went to Gambia for a winter holiday a few years ago (tourist place!) Lovely place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
The coast - not that there is much of it - seemed to be completely given over to tourists the last time we went. Even the fishing villages had become not much more than photo backdrops for tourists and sites for flogging sand paintings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dwr
Banjul was interesting for half a day, and Fort James (on Kuntah Kinteh Island - after Roots) was grim and sinister but well worth a visit.
Cairo Museum was good
The guide ( turned out not official ) to the Pyramid was really funny, he had learnt English from Delboy, only words he knew were " Lovely Jubbly " and " watch head " ( im 6ft 3" tall ) , he made us laugh and we gave him few quid and he was well happy
I'm popping into Banjul this morning and as soon as I have finished watching the excellent Rick Wakeman interview with Rick Beato, the endless power cuts permitting (WiFi, that is).Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Agree on all fronts, especially about Fort James, although you did feel pressurized into "supporting" the local school by purchasing writing materials from the local hawkers. I stayed on a beach hotel a little way out from the main strip ans it was pretty quiet with just one small village and basic restaurants.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Are you taking your Mummy?Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
Shhhh, it's under wraps at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
well there's alot of rubbish thrown around the mids for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Sharks
Be Careful
Sharm El Sheik
Aka Shark El Sheik
Theres an old wives tale that Gambia got it's borders by being the distance one could fire north and south in a cannon from the river Gambia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Dwr
Not true unfortunately, but a nice story.
In those days a cannon couldn't hit a cow's ar$e with a Banjul.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It’s the blisters on your hands that smart before you get back into the rhythmQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
As Sludge well knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by light up the darkness
It's a bit smelly there with all the pharaoh moans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
It's easy to find a Cairopractor though.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Why don’t pharaohs use social media?
They don’t want people digging up their past!
Did a small cruise down the Nile, it was wonderful , Luxor and Valley of the Kings were amazing to see and nothing like having tea and cakes cruising down the Nile as the sun sets after a day exploring. Me and Binman took our Dad some years ago and I think being just 3 blokes helped as a lot of the hawkers left us alone . Also went to Cairo for a few days , the Pyramids and the museum are also amazing to see but in the words of Binman “Cairo is one big shithole” . Great experience trying to cross the main roads in Cairo too, one of the scariest things I’ve ever done!
I would say it is a place in life that you would certainly want to visit once
Pharoah nuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Yeah it sphinx to high heaven.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Cairo is the biggest shithole on the planetQuote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Get in - do the Giza plateau and the museum and get out as quickly as you can and don’t do a Don Corleone and try to engage with the locals as they are just out to rip you off
And if you are on the bigger side you are going to get hassled as they think you have money but it’s handy if you want to push past the annoying Bstards
Nile cruise is wonderful and something I’d gladly do again
Egypt is fantastic - I wouldn’t wander around on my own though
Too much hassle
Exactly this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Jaws :hehe:
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Egyptian authorities say 17 people are missing, including foreigners, and 28 have been rescued after a tourist boat sank in the Red Sea.
Two of those missing are British, the BBC understands. Finland has also confirmed one of their nationals is unaccounted for, as rescuers continue to search the area.
The boat with 31 tourists and 14 crew - who were all Egyptians - sent a distress signal at 05:30 (03:30 GMT), according to the governor of Red Sea province.
Authorities have not indicated the possible cause of the incident. But weather forecasters had warned against marine activities for Sunday and Monday.