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lockdowns “did more harm than good” and mask mandates were “ineffective at controlling the spread of Covid-19”, contradicting research showing that masking in public does reduce transmission rates.
Social distancing guidelines came under scrutiny
school closures would have an “enduring impact” on US children
A committee of the United States Congress has backed the theory that a lab leak caused the COVID-19 pandemic
Anyone care to apologise to the conspiracy theorists :hehe:
No comment :popcorn:
Massive overreaction, I can understand the first one to a degree but after that so many mistakes made in so many Countries, especially the likes of New Zealand.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
The conspiracy theorists anti anti-vaxers were the main thing, they still blame COVID repercussions, (people who only had covid and no vaccines) on the vaccines.
Vaccinated people and people who caught COVID often suffered deaths and illnesses as a result, it wasn't just vaccines it was both, a vaccine is a little bit of covid.
Most lab work has an antidote as a fail safe :xmasthumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Still as least we can all work from home using teams rely on QR codes , go cashless etc , etc all of which was released at the same time as the Lab Leak , such a bit of luck for everyone :xmashehe:
there were people on this very website saying that the COVID vaccine could give you a Bluetooth address, and even showing us photographs of what they said were self assembling nanobot robots or something like that, so we have a long way to go before the conspiracy theorists can claim any kind of credibility on here.
as for whether the lockdowns did more harm than good - impossible to know at the time and probably impossible to answer now. Given a pandemic ripping through the country, it would take a very brave politician to be seen to be doing nothing - even if they thought that was the best course of action.
as for the "lab leak" scenario - is there any more details around that? what is that statement based on? most of the recent evidence around that seemed to suggest that it was very unlikely for some technical reasons/ the particular characteristics of the virus etc.
The Great Barrington declaration laid it all out and Fauci organised a hit team to shut them up, so you are being a bit disingenuous there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I read something to the contrary today, concerning the long term effects of Covid. Apparently it's more likely than not to have been engineered. Also the US Govt. has just published their findings after a 2 year study into Covid and say it almost certainly came from a laboratory leak - which was pretty obvious all along but no Govt. would admit it..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Don’t forget 5G masts’ involvement in spreading the disease. It’s no wonder masks were ineffective.
any links would be appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
the us government report does conclude that, but I've yet to hear of any evidence that supports that statement, and there has been at various times technical evidence that suggests it wasn't from a lab.
other than "there was a lab down the road" and "china bad" I haven't heard anything else that supports it.
also the subcommittee that has released this report arent scientist or researchers, it's just a load of politicians, mostly republican whereas the people I've seen saying the lab leak theory is unlikely have been mostly scientists or technical people.
who knows though I'd be happy to see the evidence either way
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ndemic-report/
“Republican controlled” I see.
What about the Italian one then :xmashehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Are you saying it’s misinformation just because you can’t understand why you fell for it all ?
Just admit your self appointed government deputy status was more a reflection of what you are as a person. If I recall correctly you spent many hours trying to belittle posters who merely wanted clarification of the confusing and misleading messages that were being made by governments whose common interests were that they NATO members.
What other articles do you want there are literally hundreds on the internet saying the same things.
Did you honestly abuse people who didn’t wear leopard printed face masks because you believed they were worked , were you one of those people?
Why was it ‘pretty obvious’ that ‘it almost certainly came from a laboratory leak’?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I understand that was a serious hypothesis. I understand you wanted that to be true. But beyond that, why was it obvious?
Lab leaks were not the likely cause of previous virus pandemics were they?
You think qr codes, ms teams and (most astonishingly) paying by card were all 'released' during COVID?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
That was my sentiment regarding the vaccineQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
and based on the vaccine, you will have a long wait to see any evidence, after all the Vax producers went out of their way to prevent any evidence being released for years and years, although it's currently being dripped out, but post January we may see a change and the arrest of Fauci and others. The selfish bstards who told them to shove it up their arse created a control group !!! and reference data for comparison.
I hope you get to see the evidence 👍
What on earth are you talking about - you’ve only been posting since 2021 so how do you know what I was saying?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Also, you aren’t half reading a lot into my posting what I’d say is an unbiased link in which I noted who controlled the Committee behind the report.
Because I can read , and I read a significant number of posts on that Coronavirus thread before deciding to step in. Little did I know what a bunch of self appointed government deputies could do when someone with a small apposing viewpoint tried to add to the discussion. Anyone who happened to agree was accused of being a multi such was the mass formation psychosis on display :xmashehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
That’s why this board is slowly becoming a thing of the past.
What’s the next move, aLIens ?
Course you did. Going back to the time which really mattered regarding the imposition of the lockdown, it was the spring of 2020. From memory, we had Organ Morgan and Wales Bales against it because, right from the start, they reacted as you would have expected them to considering their general world view. Apart from those two, I can remember a few who thought the severity of the virus was being over estimated, but, generally, followed the lockdown instructions.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
If you were posting back then, you weren’t as strident about the Pandemic as you are now as you constantly apply current information to a time when a new killer virus was sweeping across the world and decisions were being made aimed at keeping the population safe from it. Mistakes were bound to be made in a situation that hardly any of the major decision makers had experienced before. Most people are willing to make allowances for that, but the likes of you aren’t and the reason I keep on banging on about the date you joined the forum is that it means you were posting nothing on here at the time when Lockdown was first imposed = unless, of course, you changed your posting name or are a multi. The fact is that you started this thread as another “I told you so” exercise, but the truth is that, if we accept that you are someone who started posting in August 2021 and are not a multi you did nothing of the sort.
One last thing, Rjk asked for a link to the story you began this thread about and I provided what he requested with what I believe was a neutral interpretation of the story - I also remarked that it was a Republican controlled Committee with the implication that the conclusions they arrived at were what you would expect from such a Committee - was I wrong in my opinion on that?
Common knowledge all the way through isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Chinese lab leak?
Wet market or bat cave according to some of the more vociferous posters on here back in the day, and I seem to recall that even Fauci & his media/scientific entourage were muddying the waters with regards to it's origin?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
wet market is still a prominent theory - and the only one that I've seen supporting evidence for, from scientists etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
if there is convincing reasons to suspect a lab leak other than proximity then that doesn't seem to have been made public yet.
The number and type of insertions is an issue for some. If anybody can get to the bottom of it then RFK Jr is a contender, as he wrote a book about The Real Anthony Fauci.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I think it was from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), which studies bat coronaviruses. Too much of a coincidence to have come from a feckin Pangolin or bat at the local market, they been eating that sort of crap for years but have only more recently been working on coronaviruses in a lab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
They and Russia are probably making of stuff for us in future wars.
Well, when you lay it out like that I can't imagine why anyone could possibly think anything different. QED if not LED!Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
The 1st outbreak occurred in exactly the same location as the Wuhan Institute of Virology, who were researching Covid/Sars at the time. They had received funding support from the US [!!!] to try and see which mutations could be more deadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Before Covid became news, a number of Chinese scientists warned about the leak.
The WHO carried out their 'investigation' into the origin, the investigation was led by the Chinese and they were not permitted ot visit the facility.
No Govt. has made/did make any comment re the origin. It's not even being asked at the 2yr long £750m UK Covid enquiry. I wonder why.
Scientists [there's a lot more stuff coming out now] say it doesn't have the characteristics of a natural mutation.
And there's this. We've all heard of Sars, Bird flu etc etc. Didn't scratch us. Then we have a plague which is the biggest thin since the Black Death of the 14th Century - when there was no medicine, no protection, nothing. Lying Govts will never disclose the truth - it would be tantamount to the U.S./China being complicit in killing tens of millions..
I'm not sure the origins/authors of that article are qualified in this field !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I'm sure you're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
What about these?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8095xjg4po
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S...674(24)00901-2
or the 80% of virologists in this survey
https://www.science.org/content/arti...urvey-suggests
Obviously they are scientists rather than politicians which always raises suspicion in some quarters. Most people I suspect have nothing confirmatory so live with doubt on origin, though for others the origin will be pretty obvious or common knowledge because of their self-proclaimed greater insight.
Why don’t you bookmark it, after all you tried your hardest to belittle and discredit plenty of posters on here , another self appointed government deputy. People don’t forget Guitar man …Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
For the open-minded, conclusions about Covid and Lockdowns reached in retrospect from reliable and independent sources from all around the globe is of great interest.
The thought that all governments were in cahoots is nonsense though.
You say people don't forget but it seems when it comes to your old user name you suddenly have the memory of a goldfish!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
There is nothing to bookmark. The point I was making was to mere mortals there is no corroborative proof one way or the other on the source of the virus. I don't have a scooby. Scientists who have spent their effort poring over this overwhelmingly conclude it was a natural event triggered from the wet market the most detailed of which produced only a month ago I attached.
US intelligence sources were divided on its source yet the Repiblican commitee nevertheless concluded it was lab-engineered.
Yet on the back of this it was enough for you to demand people apologise to the conspiracy theorists.
Perhaps sticking up for that idiot who bombarded this board with ever more halucianatory and contradictory theories such that he disappeared for a year whilst you sat on your hands, fuming silently, reading this board has had an effect on your judgement!
Nearly all governments were receiving the same guidance from global organisations, and they mostly implemented the same measures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Russia, Russia, Russia! :xmashehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Is this a pile on from a little hitter..... checking for a friend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Shhhh ! The lunatics are getting agitated….. guitar man…………….hmmmmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays