Edgy, tight derby game improves after very drab first half.
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Edgy, tight derby game improves after very drab first half.
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In fairness to willock - not something I’ve been heard to say too often this season - I thought the 2nd pass Rambo made was just overhit so by the time willock reached it he was at the byline and therefore his only option was dragging it back into the middle rather than ‘picking his spot’.
Didn’t we draw with Bristol earlier in the year Bob? Are you referring to last seasons game at Aston Gate?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I’ll have to have a look at the video of the whole game on the club site to see whether I’m being harsh on Willock in that instances, but I’d still say my point counts because Ashford’s goal and assist rate per game has to be the best out of all the first team wingers at the club by some distance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Worcester
Yes, thanks for that. I knew the game I was referring to was last season and could have sworn I said that. I read what I type back twice before publishing it and didn’t spot that mistake either time - I’ve just corrected it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
Bob, would yo call Bagan, Ashford and Colwill youngsters now? Alves certainly is, although he's not our player and we didn't develop him. I wouldn't, and i don't think that iwould make the distinction between age and seniority. The three players i have mentioned are now bona fide championship footballers in their own right, that's what they have developed into, and comparing them with players who are older or more experienced doesn't really count for a great deal in my opinion, They're where they are because they're as good as or better than the players who are older, their age isn't really relevant anymore. Colwill has over 100 games and is theoretically a quarter of the way into his footballing career, he's almost 23, bagan is 23. A good piece, but i don't understand why these players ages are of importance, and i would bet that they feel the same way now.
What I’d say to counter that is that Ashford was left out yesterday despite having far better scoring and assist rates than any of our other wingers -at twenty, I’d say he still qualifies as a youngster as well. It’s a fair point with Colwill and Bagan, especially the first named, but Bagan has been the one to make way very often this season despite putting up a pretty convincing case for being considered our best and most complete defender this season. Honestly, I’m struggling to come up with names of City defenders who have been better than him this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I can settle this one for you, gents.
21 and under = youngster.
22 and over = senior player.
:hehe:
in Warnock's terms it'sQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
21 and under - infant
22-25 still too young
Agree with your more general point on ashfords contributions - although I think Ollie tanner would run him close - but just specifically on that incident yesterday I did feel willock did all he could. (I bet Rambo was kicking himself a bit because he had not long completed the first one to ashford which was spot on perfect).Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Fair enough. Bagan is turning into a decent player, i wonder if that loan spell helped him in terms of development, maturity etc? Not that he looked that bad before he went out, although he always looked quiet to me, almost apologetic in terms of him being on the pitch. He has some ability with it, good composure and the rare ability to play at his pace, Ashford has that ability as well. It's a gift. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Cheers Bob, wasn’t a criticism just got me thinking out loud. Keep up the great work.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Many a true word...
You could have added:
26 to 27 - youngster (and eligible for the Young Player of the Year award)
in the highlights the equaliser went
Colwill - Ng - Ramsey - Bagan - Ramsey - Ashford - Salech.
which is a great to see so many involved, does anyone remember if any other players were in that sequence before Colwill?
Seen it now and you’re right, I was being harsh on Willock, he couldn’t have done much more with that cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Worcester
it started with alnwickQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Full move:
alnwick - ramsey - colwill - ng - ramsey - bagen - o'dowda - ramsey - ashford - salech
8 players - not too shabbyQuote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
Play this video from 1 hr 30.
Bristol City keeper kicks it upfield and it bounces through to Alnwick who rolls it out to Ramsey.
Less than a minute later it was in the back of the Bristol net.
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/vide...a-cc2bf408ded3
you can see Rambo still has it, calm on the ball, always aware of the best option , class player
It would have been a different few seasons if he'd been fit, for sure. Unfortunately, that never happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Good to see how, with a minimum of effort, he finds space. Having a look on Bristol’s messageboard and some were annoyed at the room he was given to ping those passes. I s’pose it’s difficult for players nowhere near his ability to keep track of him though. Three times he appeared in our ‘goal move’ yet didn’t once seem to be busting a gut. He was a pleasure to watch.
Sums up Ramseys cameo, I thought he was excellent. Lets pray he can stay fit for the remainder of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
Another thing with good players like Ramsey is that it just isn't in his ability with the ball. His body shape can dictate where other players need to be, or his ability to change the angle of the ball by a yard or so, it can dictate the position of other players and the runs that they make, just by him making the relevant adjustments. All great players have one thing that average players don't, and that's intelligence with and without the ball. I don't think that can be coached into a player, that's why we see so many "Good" players not able to reach the highest level of the game, or make poor decisions etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Spot on, as always Tuerto. I remember seeing Ramsey at 17 for us, and he just had one second more than anyone else. It was because of his body shape when he got the ball. To be that smart at 17, playing right back, it was incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
As you say, no one's coached him that as a teen otherwise all the players could do it.
You're right. I remember a home game against QPR, must have been 2007 ish, midweek, Ramsey ran the show that evening, and I couldn't quite get to grips with it, so much so that I can actually remember posting on here saying something along the lines that we could have driven a bus through that Qpr midfield, simply because I couldn't/ Refused to acknowledge what I had witnessed, and in my defence, it wasn't like I had seen a player with the ability of Ramsey and the intelligence he possessed that evening, and for a player so young. I simply put it down to the opposition being slow and allowing us to play. I soon realised how wrong I was.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
It's a real shame that he carries these injuries, and they won't go away, not in terms of him being able to sustain a run of games, his body just won't allow it now. I sort of understand it, I have problems going up the loft ladder these days ..... Here's hoping we can see the almost best of him from now until the end of the season..👍
For balance, wasn't it Ramsey who needlessly gave the ball away in injury time and presented Bristol with a decent opportunity to win the game?
He's always been capable of that, he would do it with Arsenal on the rare occasions I watched them play.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It was indeed, great recovery from Bagan thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Always had that in him though, I remember him needlessly giving the ball away in the Wales 4-1 Ireland game under Giggs, think Callum Robinson may have scored as a result
That was his first league start for us in 07/08, it was just over a month after Ramsey’s 17th birthday. I’d been watching him play for about two or three years in youth football by then and while it was a surprise to see him that dominant in senior football, it wasn’t much of one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
About four months earlier, City were leading Burnley 2-1 at Ninian Park going into the last quarter of an hour or so of the game. We’d not won at home for ages and there was a lot of tension about on and off the pitch when a sixteen year old Aaron Ramsey came on for his second appearance for the first team and actually calmed things down as he kept possession and saw us through to victory - how good would he have ended up if it wasn’t for all of the injuries he’s suffered?
https://www.espn.com/soccer/matchstats/_/gameId/220265
It was a great recovery by Bagan. Glad to see him doing well recently, I've always liked his attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
As for Ramsey, he also gave the ball away for Burnley's fourth and fifth goals back in August. On both occasions, he just fell to the ground and stayed there looking exhausted after conceding possession. Maybe an impact sub is the best role for him now. It'll be interesting to see how Riza chooses to go with him on Saturday (assuming he doesn't have any set-backs between now and then).
There's a lot of pressure on Riza to get tactics and team selection right on Saturday and it's not just Ramsey.
Does Salech get a start? If so does Robinson play 10. Who occupies the wide positions. Alves should keep his place and Ashford really shouldn't have been left out in the 1st place.
We really need a far more aggressive approach than our recent away starts.
I'd go Alnwick Ng Bagan Goutas O Dowda Ralls Mannswerk Colwill Alves Robinson Ashford.
If things aren't going to plan then Salech asap.
Even with injuries he has a few good options, this is a big game for us, I like your team but prefer if fit,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Alnwick
NG Goutas Daland Bagan
Chambers Mannsverk
Alves Robertson Ashford
Salech
I would want, O'Dowda, Robinson, and Ramsey on early and really have a go at them.
Didn't Bulut play him for the full 90 in each of his games despite him looking absolutely shattered? It was a ridiculous way to use him tbh, same with Bellamy chucking him on in torrential conditions in MontenegroQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman