Trump, Russia, Possible Collusion?
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Trump, Russia, Possible Collusion?
can anyone sum up what's said?
The USA and Russia are re-establishing diplomatic relations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
so basically Russia is getting everything it wants without making any concessions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
That Sergey Lavrov is one evil looking mf!
You clearly cannot trust the Russians and Trumps actions are of concern.
Europe needs to toughen up and work together and not give in to bullies.
What do normal, sane, Americans think of all this?
Nothing has happened yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Exactly. What the hell are people going on about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
the Russians seem to think it's worth celebratingQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Well I never, new info this…..:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Yeah what a joke, no nato or peace keeping troops in Ukraine and we will keep the land we stole and slaughtered people on….yeah sounds a great deal.:hehe: where dies that lavrov dude come from? Another one that needs to feel pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
What, again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Trump has now stated Ukraine started the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Of course they did, having a non Kremlin leader elected was enough….Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
People have short memories. I well remember Putin saying that the build up of Russian troops on the border in the north of Ukraine just before the invasion was simply a routine military exercise* and nothing else. That seems to have been completely forgotten by folk in the West.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
No wonder he doesn't want any peace keeping troops in Ukraine after the war as they might interfere with the next invasion - sorry I mean military exercise of course.
*Not to be confused with the Special Military Operation, aka war.
do any of the trump fans on here suddenly agree with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Trump supporters believe EVERYTHING he says. He is the Sun King!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I'm sure the right wingers in here will find a way to justify what he's said, they do it every single time no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Trump: "I'll take Gaza, you have Ukraine and if you take Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and fancy Finland, I'm having Canada and Greenland. Let's make a deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Putin: Well done my darling Trump.
Can’t you just be quiet for once rather than stoking the fire �� You really do fit the typical definition of an on line trollQuote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Stirs the pot and starts crying when called out.
Shhhhhhhhh !
As an aside only one side wants to continue the war , you putting boots on when the conscription draft is ordered ?
Sssh or he gets a friend request on FacebookQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Absolutely embarrassing and creepy isn't it ��Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Meds kicked in have they ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Stop it bro you’re trying too hard
It's you who needs meds you twitchy old ponceQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Ponce ? Another discriminatory word…
Poor wifeQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
"I'm very disappointed. I hear that they're upset about not having a seat. Well, they've had a seat for three years and a long time before that."
The conflict is very complicated and compromise and getting on with things is fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
But trump and the Americans are behaving like idiots on the world stage
Europe are pathetic and weak however
Trumps done it now….just outed Zelenskyy as a dictator! Jeepers
Trump needs to be sectioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Because he won't hold an election?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
that's been a talking point that the Kremlin are trying to push for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Presumably they're hoping they have an election and perhaps they can influence the outcome as they have tried many other times in other European elections.
I don't see how Ukraine can post hold an election at the moment though - More than 20% of their population are living under Russian occupation
Yeah…most countries at war struggle to hold elections, like Churchill said here….Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DictatorQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
If that Wiki page shows anything, it is that Zelenskyy definitely does not fit the profile or definition of a dictator.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Trump on the other hand (and his mates Putin and Netanyahu)..... tick most of the boxes for concentration of power.
The offsets that are usually put forward to counter that analysis are an independent and effective judiciary and press (including citizen journalists free to work). I suppose that still gets Trump off that hook, if not Putin and Netanyahu.
Arguments for the Dictator Label:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Suspension of Elections: Critics argue that Zelenskyy has acted in a dictatorial manner by suspending national elections due to the ongoing conflict. The Ukrainian constitution does not explicitly allow for the suspension of presidential elections during martial law, but Zelenskyy has maintained that holding elections under current conditions is impractical.
Media and Political Freedom: There have been allegations of Zelenskyy's government limiting media freedom and political opposition, particularly through actions like banning opposition parties linked to Russia or accused of pro-Russian sentiments, and controlling media narratives for national unity during the war.
Centralization of Power: The consolidation of power under Zelenskyy's leadership has been noted, with some viewing this as a necessary response to the existential threat posed by the invasion, while others see it as an overreach into authoritarianism.
Arguments Against the Dictator Label:
Elected Leadership: Zelenskyy was elected in 2019 with a significant majority, indicating strong democratic support at the time. His rise to power was through democratic means, not through a coup or other non-democratic methods.
War Context: The measures taken, including the suspension of elections and control over media, are justified by his administration as necessary for national security and to maintain stability during wartime. Many democratic nations have taken similar steps during crises but are not labeled dictatorships.
International Support: Zelenskyy's leadership has garnered substantial international support, not just for military aid but also for his efforts in maintaining Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty. This support often frames him as a defender of democracy rather than a dictator.
Public Opinion: While there have been fluctuations in his approval ratings, recent polls cited in web news suggest he still enjoys significant support from the Ukrainian populace, particularly in the context of the war, which is not typical of dictators who usually suppress public dissent more visibly.
Conclusion:
Labeling Zelenskyy as a "dictator" involves a nuanced understanding of the term, especially considering the wartime context. While some actions might seem authoritarian, they are also interpreted by others as pragmatic responses to extraordinary circumstances. The distinction between a wartime leader making difficult decisions for national survival and a dictator often lies in the intent, transparency, and eventual return to democratic norms once the crisis subsides.
Given the complexity, it's more accurate to say that Zelenskyy's governance has shown dictatorial tendencies under the pressure of war, but whether this makes him a full-fledged dictator is a matter of perspective, interpretation of Ukrainian law, and the ongoing effects of the conflict.
Is Trump a dictator?
No, Donald Trump is not a dictator. He served as the President of the United States from 2017 to 2021, within the framework of the U.S. Constitution which limits presidential power through checks and balances, including Congress and the Judiciary. Dictators typically hold absolute power without such checks, which was not the case during Trump's presidency. However, opinions on his leadership style, policies, and actions vary widely, with some critics arguing he exhibited authoritarian tendencies, while supporters see his actions as within the bounds of executive authority.
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I disagree with this, apparently Zelensky was good at playing the piano with his cock
now do Putin?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I'll do Starmer, he's a dictatorQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk