Just gone up in my opinion after he had a bit of a rant on Radio 5 about people who call any male they talk to "mate" - can't explain why and I suppose it says more about me than the person calling me his mate, but it's always made my hackles rise.
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Just gone up in my opinion after he had a bit of a rant on Radio 5 about people who call any male they talk to "mate" - can't explain why and I suppose it says more about me than the person calling me his mate, but it's always made my hackles rise.
Cheers for the heads up, I'll listen back on BBC sounds, thanks again mateQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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Originally Posted by GL1Blue
It's better than Bro, or Fella!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Agreed. How about butt?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
As long as people are not being offensive I don't see the problem really.
Total stranger behind you whilst you're waiting to get served at the bar...
"Can I get in there, mate"?
They're usually already pushing past you while asking the question.
There's often an understated threat about them—they're not friendly-looking, and they're not your 'mate'.
Or bra…..when someone says ‘safe, bra’, I ask them is that something that’s tits don’t fall out of accidently.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I find it can sound quite rude and abrupt if a moniker like mate isn’t used.
Maybe I’m just common, but I don’t find it offensive, like when a woman calls me love or dear.
Yesterday I went down a YouTube rabbit hole and was watching one of these auditors. He was near a police station so the police came over, officer every other sentence was calling this guy mate. The auditor one time says something like "but my friend I wasn't" and the officer snaps I'm not your friend.
True story.
In Sheffield (less so in Rotherham or Barnsley) the word 'love' is still used by men and women to men and women without any baggage - sexual or otherwise - although it is now less common than when I moved here in the early 1980s. It is just a friendly expression - and never used in an aggressive or hostile way.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
I was working on the buses and was called 'love' hundreds of times a day - by men, by women and once by a dog!
https://www.thestar.co.uk/heritage-a...who%20we%20are!
I've been "caught" using the word "love" and was left feeling like I'd molested someone!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
The human mind is quite capable of recognising whether somebody is being rude or offensive so what does it matter what the moniker :shrug:
Aight bruv!
I use the phrases, Comrade, Brother of Sister. I like to keep it formal.
Hmmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
*strokes chin*
It always struck me how much more prevalent the use of "mate" was in Cardiff when I first moved there compared to everywhere else in south Wales. It's definitely a Cardiff thing.
When I lived in the valleys "butt" was obviously the go-to. I think "mush" probably starts off at the western fringes of the valleys and extends to Carmarthen-ish. West Wales is mostly "boy"......from my observation.
I don't like "mate" ..... especially when said by a hard-faced cardiffian ..... I mean, you get used to it and I think I use it now that I don't even live in Wales more than ever....... sometimes to my partner when I'm exasperated or frustrated .........and she hates it too.
Fella and butt are by far worse….
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Originally Posted by Tuerto
I like Butt, it's a shortened version of Buttie, which just can't come across as malevolent in any way, and that's the first thing i look for (because in paranoid) Fella is awful, usually used by people who are *****.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
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Originally Posted by Divine Wright
I think the first time I heard ‘mate’ in common conversation in Cardiff was around the early nineties and I wouldn’t be surprised if it found its way into the local dialect via English students that study and live there.
No doubt the same tosspots that call Caroline Street ‘Chippy Alley’!
Interloping bastards!
Same here, butt is fine by me. I admit my dislike of mate is not too logical, but I just think call me by my name if it’s someone who knows me and if they don’t, it seems overly familiar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Yes, it's a bit unnerving, although it particularly pisses me off if it's said by someone i'm not that keen on in the first place. Amongst the younger generation of Cardiffians the common phrase is 'Bro' i don't mind it, and on estates (where i predominantly work) there is an authenticity about it, it's when i'm in Lisvane, Rhiwbina, Heath etc that it sounds really stupid, especially in a slightly plummy accent.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Almost got kicked out of Wetherspoons when the manager called me ' mate' and I told him I wasn't his fecking mate.
Spot on- nothing wrong with 'butt'- it's simply a Valleys equivalent of 'mate' but still with some residual sincereity. Your analysis of people using 'Fella' is is entirely correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
The worst I've encountered was a new landlord in my local who said 'yes friend?' when I went to the bar. I didn't go back until it had changed hands.
Oh F uck, 'Yes Friend' that is shocking, i don't think that i could tolerate that either. Fella is used by over confident cretins who fancy themselves and who generally trying to sell you something you don't need.Quote:
Originally Posted by D. Advocaat
I ****ing hate it . If anyone refers to me as mate (if they know me) I tell them I changed my name by deed poll as "mate" was too common.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It’s strange though, as I mentioned earlier, butt Ive not got a problem with, but I react completely differently to mate (and fella as mentioned by others). This thread shows we all react differently to this sort of thing, but, thinking about it a bit more, butt sounds genuine to me in a way mate doesn’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
To be honest most of you are so far over the hill to be worrying about terms. try to concentrate on walking a bit faster and not taking up a fecking hour chatting about your illnesses at the check out
I think that with Butt, it's so regional and colloquial, that it comes across as welcoming, in the same way (I suppose) the equivalent in different states of the USA. They would be born from the people, the environment etc, so would have a feel of authenticity. That's my deep thinking for the day.....Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I bet i'd beat you in a foot race.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
I dont mind "butt" its traditional. Fella.... wonder what they are after ..:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
But dont call me "mate" its lazy.
[QUOTE=ToTaL ITK;5574031]To be honest most of you are so far over the hill to be worrying about terms. try to concentrate on walking a bit faster and not taking up a fecking hour chatting about your illnesses at the check out[/QUOTE]
What's a check out?
I would beat him in race up Ben Macdui ... (google it )Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Ok mate
You do realise how wrong that sounds Jim..... :hehe: Just googled it, Wow, impressive, was there snow at the top? Myself and TLG climbed Snowdon some years back, very enjoyable experience, although it was summer time, and man, was it busy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
I have just come back from 3 weeks up Scotland, did 5 munros , abandoned ship on one . Most amazing scary experience at times. You know its dangerous when you are the only people on the mountain and the snow is up to your knees and worse in places..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Snowdon is ok if you use the less popular routes , they are some interesting routes as well . Crib Coch is only for the brave . Did it in a storm 2 years ago . Wouldn't do it now . My brave levels are down to kinda stupid.
Well done both of you , its still a decent hike.
Anyway . he is at the wind up , bless him..
Abandoned Ship? How so Jim? The Munros are a group of mountains are they not? I went the tourist route up Snowdon, it was really busy. I've always fancied a bit of wild camping Jim, although i'm pretty certain that i'd get myself killed....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
There are 280 munros in Scotland ,its a mountain over 3000 feet .Ben MacDui is the second highest mountain in the UK . Doing Munros is called bagging Munros , I have bagged a few but still got many to do .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Myself and my partner went up Ben Lawers a couple of weeks ago in the snow . We were about half way maybe 3/4 of the way up and she realised she had lost her spikes in the snow , carrying on in the snow and ice without spikes would have been really dangerous , foolhardy really . We found them on the way back following our footsteps . No one else was on the mountain which tells you it was interesting . The weather changes in a nano second , your footsteps disappear in minutes when the snow comes ... Your phone discharges at an alarming rate and that may be your only way back to find a route to safety .
If you have a spirit of adventure this is the place for you .
Its an incredible buzz because you are no longer in control .
Cheers bu...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
What are you trying to say? I'm all edgy now.... :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
The control thing might be a problem for me, the rest i think i would enjoy. I love being outside, it's my therapy. I run 40 miles a week jut to feel the elements on my face and to get that Dopamine kick that lasts for hours. Sounds like you love what you do Jim, which is nice. I actually hate running, although it's so addictive, the buzz i mean... Keep going jim :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock