What a lovely atmosphere.
I'd forgotten what one was.
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What a lovely atmosphere.
I'd forgotten what one was.
Crazy what a fairytale story, 2 men’s dreams and an absolute shit load of money can do for the scrappy underdog team.Quote:
Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead
Come on Stockport!
They're at the so-called "business end" of a promotion-chasing season playing against a close rival. I would expect a better atmosphere than that at the CCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead
they haven't spent a fraction the birmingham haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
grow upQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Bit like us then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
They assembled a squad of League One and Two players in the National League. Their wage bill being higher than the other 23 teams combined, and higher than the majority of the league above.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
Birmingham are an anomaly spending £30m.
Wrexham are the 3rd highest spending team in League One spending £5m. Last season’s highest spending team was Peterborough with £2.5m. The year before it was Ispwich, also spending £2.5m.
They’re as much a fairytale story as Man City or PSG. The difference is they’ve got a savvy PR team and their owners don’t chop people up with hacksaws or stone gay people to death (I assume).
Grow upQuote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
It's one thing spending money. It's another doing it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Funny, I’m never overly impressed when I watch Wrexham, but life is so much easier when you can rely on your defence to keep a clean sheet in something like every third game.
Plenty of clean sheets being kept in League Two today - five 0-0 draws and three games finish 1-0, football is a more defensive game this season than it has been for a few years.
I tend to agree. If they go up this year they'll have FFP rules to adhere to and from what I've seen of them this season they're a little bit 'rustic', perhaps not surprising considering where they were 3 years ago..Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
All power to Wrexham and their fans.
The bitterness from fans of other clubs when another team get big financial clout is both laughable and pathetic.
If some mega rich Middle East oil baron ploughed millions into us, most folk on here would be creaming themselves.
I watched Notts Co v Crewe earlier. 0-0. The standard was pretty good. The game was entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
We have a mega rich bloke from the Far East and people including myself are less than impressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
So glad they've been inspired by us.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
As Eric has said, there’s having plenty of dough, but using it wisely is an art on it’s own.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
The best time following ccfc was the rise up from league 1 2002/2003…..
Agreed. They seem to know what they are doing and have spent their money well……unlike us!Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
The real challenge only starts in the championship, then we will see what they are all about…..Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue blood
I’m not sure many of their players get into our team. Wonder how they do/spend if they go up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue blood
Agreed. I had far more enjoyment watching us do well in League 1 than I do currently watching us struggle in the ChampionshipQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
It’s always going to be more enjoyable winning and getting promotions, we did like Wrexham with even more spending. It started at league 2. I’ve seen most grounds because of it, amazing years that many probably won’t get.
I hope they go up, hopefully without us passing them the other way
If we were in their shoes we’d be over the moon.
Jealousy isn’t a good look. Their real fans have had more than their fair share of shit times.
I agree they’ll find it harder for the next step, ie from the championship, but I hope they get up.
When they were in the National League, plenty of people suggested the real challenge would only start when they were in League Two. When they were doing well in League Two, plenty of people suggested the real challenge would only start when they were in League One.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
They seem to be reasonably good at coping with real challenges.
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Was there many people suggesting that?
As soon as their promotion from the National League was confirmed they were the bookies favourites to get promoted from League 2 the following season, and around 3rd/4th favourites to go up from League 1 this year.
If they do go up this year it will be interesting to see which will have shorter odds next season, promotion or relegation. A lot depends on their activity in the transfer market but I’d hazard a guess the opening odds for them to go back down will be shorter than their odds to get promoted.
Likelihood is they would finish comfortably mid table. I’d imagine they’d need a LOT more investment to challenge the big teams at the top end of the championship though.
I tend to agree more power to them, think they would struggle slightly in the bigger pond of the Championship where the owners resources won’t be as impactful but if we end up in the same division I’d be pretty confident they’d finish above us as things stand.
Owners have respected the history of the club, engaged with the community and critically have put solid footballing people in charge, hired an experienced manager with a clear vision and stuck with him. What we wouldn’t give to have the same on our end, and I suspect any hate in this thread is just thinly veiled jealousy.
Or are we claiming we don’t also have a billionaire owner who has put hundreds of millions in and didn’t spend more than most of the rest of the division to get out of the lower leagues in the first place?
On here there was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal
As for the bookies, Wrexham were rated fifth in most lists back in August. The Racing Post EFL pundits thought they’d finish eleventh.
If I were a Wrexham fan, I would probably be making myself unpopular with other supporters because I'd be moaning about the the manager all of the time. I've always thought Parkinson played dull football and now he's added a striker recruitment approach which screams short termism. I think Wrexham will outlast Wycombe and finish second to Birmingham (I also believe they'll be okay in the Championship next season), but, apart from their early season visit to St Andrews, I never enjoy watching them play.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
Not so sure about that, there are a lot of big clubs in the championship most have been in the PL recently, plenty have very wealthy owners. You can’t say that about any clubs in league 1 really bar Birmingham, who they can’t compete with now.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
And the division is still garbage.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
If you look at wage levels, those paying most tend to be at the top….i wonder what Wrexham’s wages are? Probably on par with the bottom few at best? Are Leeds still around £70 million? It’s also a very small place, probably not much bigger than Barry? I think 13,000 crowds is about the most I’ve ever seen them get in the last 35 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The jump in finances is pretty substantial, they've gotten where they are signing older players on good money that are still slightly too good for the level, they won't be able to do that in the Championship unless they fancy spending 30k a week on wages for playersQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The actual town has a smaller population than Barry I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
They have a pretty decent catchment area for potential fans though, only pro club based in north Wales and there's a fair few towns in north east Wales with populations of around 15k-20k for which they would be a natural club to support
That’s not really accurate. Wrexham have 11 players who’ve made 20 or more League One starts this season. They are as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Ryan Barnett (25 years old, bought from Solihull Moors in 2023)
Max Cleworth (22 years old, came through Wrexham’s youth system)
George Dobson (27 years old, free transfer from Charlton last summer)
Elliott Lee (30 years old, free transfer from Luton in 2022)
Matty James (33 years old, free transfer from Bristol City last summer)
James McClean (35 years old, bought from Wigan in 2023)
Eoghan O’Connell (29 years old, bought from Charlton in 2023)
Thomas O’Connor (25 years old, free transfer from Burton in 2022)
Arthur Okonkwo (23 years old, free transfer from Arsenal last summer)
Ollie Palmer (33 years old, free transfer from Wimbledon in 2022)
Oliver Rathbone (28 years old, bought from Rotherham last summer)
So, their regular starting line-up does include a few veterans, but none who were signed from higher levels apart from Matty James, a free transfer who had been released by Bristol City.
Of course, they also have a few other veterans in their squad such as Jay Rodriguez (35), who arrived in January, and Steven Fletcher (37), who has only started 2 league games this season but has made 30 sub appearances.
That looks like a typical Warnock youth team.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I'm pretty sure Ollie Palmer was signed for a significant fee by Conference standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I was taking the original info from Soccerbase, but apparently there was a fee involved - a whopping £300,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I detect a hint of sarcasm in your reply but £300k was a record transfer fee for the National league at that time so it was a substantial fee for that levelQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
And how did we get to to the Championship??? Did I imagine us spending nearly £2m on Peter Thorne and other crazy sums in league 2.
As others have said. Grow up.