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Here's a graph taken from the Welsh Government's own website. There's been lots of claims that there's been a dramatic reduction in collisions etc since the 20mph roll-out, but from my limited understanding of graphs, there's been a general year-by-year reduction since 2010 and that 2024 figures seem to be only continuing the trend (lock down excluded for obvious reasons).....
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ths-why-debate
Saved a 100 lives so far, that'll do for me
I thought it was a reduction in deaths and injuries that had been reported, not a reduction in collisions.
I would have thought that to die or get injured by a car, there has to be a collision, albeit with a person.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
Ten according to the article, but I don't think that dilutes your point tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
100 fewer people killed or seriously injured. Doesn't say 100 people would have died.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Positive early signs but it will take a few more years of data to see how effective it has truly been. I'd say it's likely that changing the speed limit on a large amount of roads in one go would make drivers 'hyper-vigilant' and that could wear off over time. Will be interesting to see how the trend goes next year.
The one thing I do strongly agree with in that article though is how weird it is that deaths by car are treated as 'normal' . Imagine Cardiff Bus advertising 'only 6 passengers killed each month'
Has it? It's been claimed that it has, but it's never going to be conclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Not unless someone witnessed it.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I don't think Delm read the article he posted properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Isn’t someone missing from this thread?
:hehe: Thats amazing seeing as everyone is driving the same speed as before except through the cameras, better brakes on modern cars maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
No :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
There is no point in talking about it anymore, they do what they can to make life worse in Wales, make the most of your life, and don't let the bustards grind you down. :thumbup:
If the collisions are at 20mph there are few injuries or deaths than at 30mphQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Not in my experience driving across Cardiff twice a day. Many vehicles exceed 20mph, but are doing less than 30mph. Before the change they would have been doing more than 30mph.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
This is spot on 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
When people complain about a 20mph making life worse , you know that we have really lost perspective as a society.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
It doesn't bother me anymore, I completely ignore their daft rules, like everything else they are a total waste of space and get every single decision wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
Do you really think reducing the number of deaths and injuries in road traffic collisions is daft?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
No, I don't hit people or crash at whatever speed I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
Maybe just apply it to bad drivers and stop giving me stupid rules like you have to drive at walking pace and we won't put monster munch near the till because some idiots will buy them when they see them as they have no self-discipline.
Let's get back to City's relegation battle.
Pivotal game again on Saturday, we've got to win!
Monster munch are shit now, back in the day the pickled onion flavour would make your eyes water. Can't have any fun these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
So you break the limit willingly …. What a hero.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
You walk at 20mph?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
While you may consider yourself a good driver that doesn't mean you won't be involved in a collision.
When he described himself as ‘mentally strong’ I had a feeling that would ultimately translate as arrogant and thick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
Glad that’s been cleared up. Sure Sludge will be too. :hehe:
🤣 Brilliant JonQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
If it was up to me i would ban all cars but make pedestrians have a minimum speed limit of 12 miles per hour getting some of the fat off your beer swilling chip shop eating guts.
Lot of hate for fat people on this board today.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
Stop virtue signalling Alan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Come on, nearly everyone does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
Who is driving down the widest (and least appropriate) 20mph streets at that speed? It's rare, and extremely frustrating when anyone does.
Ironically enough, North Cardiff Blue is just being honest in saying that.
Where is Sludge? I hope he's OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Merely an observation. I'm not fat so it doesn't bother me. My wife is a porker though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Coming from a Labour voter that thinks Starmer and his Halifax counter assistant will sort the economy out :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959