It seems our time.
I know we still could mathematically stay up but looking at Luton and derby and Oxford and stoke and hull and even Plymouth recent results compared to our offerings and I'm struggling to see how we have a chance?
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It seems our time.
I know we still could mathematically stay up but looking at Luton and derby and Oxford and stoke and hull and even Plymouth recent results compared to our offerings and I'm struggling to see how we have a chance?
I think we'll scrape up. Oh, the joy......
Really? Who you think will go down then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
No chance.
Someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
derby..... They peaked too early........ :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Mathematically it's far from over.
However we are done.
Can't wait to see Rizas next line up. I think its just time to laugh at what he tries next and accept our fate.
50 points will be enough I’d say
Have to beat Stoke and Oxford at home to give ourselves half a shot of that. I just can’t see it. No fight in the team and that’s what matters at this stage of the season ie Oxford beating Sheffield United today.
I've thought we are doomed for a while.
No real fight
No real leaders
No real plan.
You get what you deserve.
Second half was better against a team that are crap and we couldn't score. Going to be hard
It you are a gambler and don’t let your heart rule your head, 11/10 is a tremendous chance to make a very good profit.
From what I’ve seen this season, we are nailed on for the drop.
Sadly, i can’t let my head rule my heart, and as bad as we are, i wouldn’t feel comfortable
Putting the bet on.
I agree but I thought maybe we would stay up as other teams may not pick up. So many teams have picked up though. All at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
It's our fault but my only reason I thought we could stay up is a low points total (eg 45 was enough 2 seasons ago when reading went down and I think we could get to 45 potentially) but more than 47 I can't see and that won't be enough
I don’t think we will. It’s not completely out of our hands. If we match stokes results and beat them we stay up. Do I think it will happen, No
Other teams have changed it up mainly by getting proper managers in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
I'd be surprised if Luton went down.
We're done, we've got no idea how to score, how to create etc and when push comes to shove, we bottle it.
After 12 years of Vincent Tan, we're exactly where we should be.
Ain't that the truth. I think Tan & co. have wanted all the time to stick with Riza for the rest of the season come what may, but year in year out sides struggling at the end of the season invariably opt for a change of face - usually an experienced one - to scrape together a few extra points, and invariably it works. Our players looked lost, our manager looks lost, and as the end of the season get nearer so we are getting nearer to the drop..Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
No I don’t.
Not only are the team underperforming, they are not showing any desire for a fight.
I’d be surprised if we win again this season.
They're not underperforming, they're just crapQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Absolutely this. Even now with a new manager for final 6 games I'd wonder if we did have a chance........Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I think we will. Just.
No chance, not only are we rubbish but they all keep winning, just Derby not true to form today. Luton held sheff utd….did everyone else win? It’s easier to just let it go folks….embrace the changeQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
This is the year we go down.
I expect we will go down which would be an entirely self-inflicted outcome down to the reckless incompetence of the owner and the utter negligence of the board.
We've got relegation written all over us.
If the owner is as all powerful as he is said to be then it is all down to the owner. If the board are at fault then it is their failure to make the owner see sense but he would be unlikely to listen anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delbert
In any case who are the board? Dalman who seems to be out of the picture after the Bulut debacle. Choo who is Tan’s representative in the UK who is probably not allowed an opinion of his own and would never contradict the owner. Two mysterious Malaysians who have probably never been to a game and are unlikely to go against the owner either leaving local boy Steve Borley in splendid isolation.
No, for me it is all down to one person who will lose considerable face if we go down.
I have no conclusive proof of this but I'm pretty sure that if we changed our manager before the next game our results until the end of the season wouldn't be any worse. Just the change in itself might just mean we win a game somewhere instead of a draw..Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
I don’t now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
We have drawn too many games and seem bang out of form (lol!) when teams around us are picking up points, something that we have relied on teams NOT doing, and got away with, in the last few years.
Depressing.
Not a chance in hell we stay up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
The part time board’s arrogance and meddling has finally caught up with them. Can only hope they finally leave after 10 years
That is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
But it won’t happen. The owners seem content to watch him fail.
I don't now.
The players are not playing for the club or the manager.
A prime example was that we had throwins and freekicks in their half in injury time and they had no urgency.
The club can't afford to settle for a draw at this stage.
I noticed that the forwards were being selfish as well.
It's not looking good, is it? I just don't see where the points will come from. A few weeks ago, it was just a case of carrying on doing better than the teams below us, but it seems like everyone except us has stepped up.
Possibly not. But, to be honest, I'd be glad to see the back of this season and significant changes made that gives me hope this club can progress once again.
With this lot in charge. I have very little hope of progress of any kind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
There won't be. Tan has to go for us to be a success, that's been clear for some timeQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
As each game goes by, with seemingly few opportunities created from open play, then when we see two golden headed opportunities, like in today’s game, woefully missed. Then, add into the mix, we are finding it difficult to deliver any quality set piece delivery, either by corners or free kicks… I am getting more than a little bit concerned as each game ticks by.
However, I feel that we will (possibly) avoid relegation, and consequently I would love to see our club “celebrate avoiding relegation in our historic 125th year”, by organising an open-top bus trip, from the stadium to the equally historic Cardiff castle.
I should remind everyone to make sure to bring your own rotten tomatoes along with you, so we can appropriately contribute.
Our goal difference won't help.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
Down the moment they appointed Riza.
Up until today's set of results I have been in the we have enough to stay up camp.
I still think we have a decent bunch but the manager is such a tinker man that the players just cannot get any momentum.
I have never been a fan of getting rid of managers when things get tough but this guy seems to have lost the plot, and the players know it.
A new face with new ideas, someone who has experienced this situation before, who can instill some belief in the players I feel us our only hope of avoiding the dreaded drop.
This happens when you're at the wrong end of the table, though. I've posted this a few times already, but I've read lots saying we need to give a centreback pairing lots of games together and stop changing them. What do you do when one or both makes the mistakes they have been? Keep playing them? Riza would get it from the fans if he didn't drop players who weren't performing. He also gets it in the neck when he makes lots of changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
There's probably a centre ground somewhere here, but I reckon it's very thin indeed.
Take today's front 4. I don't think many of us were against that at the start of the game, but they were poor. What happens next time? Pick the same 4 or make changes? This is the dilemma when results and performances aren't good enough.