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Tan's attitude is very poor
He might be an extremely wealthy person who owns the club and has put a lot of money in but right now surely he should show some visible public sense of caring and stewardship or go?
Just leaving things as they are and letting the club sink as we are doing is completely irresponsible and he is sticking 2 fingers up to the club and the fans.
Make no mistake, we are going down and getting back again will be very very difficult.
Many of us can remember happy times and tough times but frankly the Tan years have been in a different space in terms of being just horrible.
I watched the Wrexham game on tv yesterday and really felt envious of their situation.
Why is it so?
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Be careful what you wish for. When you have an owner like Dai Yongge then you know what a bad owner looks like.
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
Be careful what you wish for. When you have an owner like Dai Yongge then you know what a bad owner looks like.
The grass is always greener. Tan has massively flaws but certainly backs the club financially even if some of the money is wasted/ can be debated.
We had Scam Hammam for years, best years of me supporting the club but it was also built on fake news, lies and deception.
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
Be careful what you wish for. When you have an owner like Dai Yongge then you know what a bad owner looks like.
Vincent Tan's family don't like football, and don't understand why he invests so much time and money into it. I suspect we'll soon find out due to Tan's appalling mismanagement of us.
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The slow revenge for the return to blue!!
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splott parker
The slow revenge for the return to blue!!
We'll never know of course but I wonder what would have happened had the fanbase united and told him where to go in 2012
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
The grass is always greener. Tan has massively flaws but certainly backs the club financially even if some of the money is wasted/ can be debated.
We had Scam Hammam for years, best years of me supporting the club but it was also built on fake news, lies and deception.
Tan needs to pay to get someone decent to run the club, and a proper manager, probably save him millions that he wastes every year, he can’t see it though? He has no vision….
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Originally Posted by
goats
Tan needs to pay to get someone decent to run the club, and a proper manager, probably save him millions that he wastes every year, he can’t see it though? He has no vision….
Totally agree.
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Originally Posted by
goats
Tan needs to pay to get someone decent to run the club, and a proper manager, probably save him millions that he wastes every year, he can’t see it though? He has no vision….
Investing in a top manager isn't just about winning, it's about saving money. Good signings + success on the pitch = huge financial benefits that easily outweigh a higher salary. The manager is the most crucial investment a club can make.
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North Cardiff Blue
Investing in a top manager isn't just about winning, it's about saving money. Good signings + success on the pitch = huge financial benefits that easily outweigh a higher salary. The manager is the most crucial investment a club can make.
And yet for a long long time the club, or Tan, have treated it like an inconvenience. It still baffles me, I just don't understand it.
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I don't believe his approach with managers is anything to do with saving money on the salary.
if there was a proven manager who could guarantee us promotion then I have no doubt that Tan would be happy to pay for it. unfortunately they don't exist.
proven managers are sacked all the time, the average length of a managerial job in the league is about 18 months I think, most of them experienced.
Often managers who have been effective suddenly one day aren't, even at the same club, so we can't be in the situation where everything revolves around the manager.
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
Be careful what you wish for. When you have an owner like Dai Yongge then you know what a bad owner looks like.
This doesn't make Vincent Tan any better of an owner.
Like saying you have no right to complain as you're on the verge of the play offs in League One compared to the likes of Bury, Macclesfield etc who have all gone out of business.
This "careful what you wish for" nonsense is what has got us into this mess. The **** should've been forced out the club years ago
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I don't believe his approach with managers is anything to do with saving money on the salary.
if there was a proven manager who could guarantee us promotion then I have no doubt that Tan would be happy to pay for it. unfortunately they don't exist.
proven managers are sacked all the time, the average length of a managerial job in the league is about 18 months I think, most of them experienced.
Often managers who have been effective suddenly one day aren't, even at the same club, so we can't be in the situation where everything revolves around the manager.
You are possibly right it could be more stupidity than money, but of course you stand a better chance if you appoint an actual Manager not a coach, Hudson. Morison, Rizla, everyone knew they were going to be shit and McCarthy. TLG has listed where they all are, there were so many Managers looking for work this season and he picks Rizla? :facepalm:
The only time he got it right was with Warnock, we all knew what he was capable of, and he came and exceeded most expectations at that time.
He might have to start looking for a League One specialist promotion winning Manager.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
You are possibly right it could be more stupidity than money, but of course you stand a better chance if you appoint an actual Manager not a coach, Hudson. Morison, Rizla, everyone knew they were going to be shit and McCarthy. TLG has listed where they all are, there were so many Managers looking for work this season and he picks Rizla? :facepalm:
The only time he got it right was with Warnock, we all knew what he was capable of, and he came and exceeded most expectations at that time.
He might have to start looking for a League One specialist promotion winning Manager.
I think it's mostly because of Warnock that he's changed his approach with managers.
there's an argument that our total wasting of the premier league money and parachute payments under Warnock is a bigger failure than it would be if we were relegated under Riza.
Doesn't feel that way for the fans, but from a business point of view it was far more damaging
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The Tan Out protests showed some proportion of the fans don't want him there, and when he is there gets abused.
We can't even get Cardiff based fans with season tickets to attend, do you blame him for not being there?
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Originally Posted by
goats
Tan needs to pay to get someone decent to run the club, and a proper manager, probably save him millions that he wastes every year, he can’t see it though? He has no vision….
In a perfect world your idea is absolutely the correct way to go. However, Tan has had his fingers burnt many times over the years and I can understand why he is wary of trusting another 'football expert'
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I think it's mostly because of Warnock that he's changed his approach with managers.
there's an argument that our total wasting of the premier league money and parachute payments under Warnock is a bigger failure than it would be if we were relegated under Riza.
Doesn't feel that way for the fans, but from a business point of view it was far more damaging
Warnock f*cked the club, financially, definitely and up to his neck in the one incident that’s shaped the club over the last few years.
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splott parker
Warnock f*cked the club, financially, definitely and up to his neck in the one incident that’s shaped the club over the last few years.
Fine margins, Sala refuses that flight and history changes.
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Originally Posted by
NinianKnight
In a perfect world your idea is absolutely the correct way to go. However, Tan has had his fingers burnt many times over the years and I can understand why he is wary of trusting another 'football expert'
Understanding it doesn't mitigate the fact that he is totally wrong and, unsuited to the club
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splott parker
Warnock f*cked the club, financially, definitely and up to his neck in the one incident that’s shaped the club over the last few years.
Who's fault is it that Warnock was allowed to do what he wanted?
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It’s heartbreaking to watch, especially when you see clubs like Wrexham building something with real spirit and vision. We deserve better than this silence
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TheBirchgrovePub
Who's fault is it that Warnock was allowed to do what he wanted?
If you went down that road, every manager/coach in football would be blameless and nothing would be their fault.
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Originally Posted by
TheBirchgrovePub
This doesn't make Vincent Tan any better of an owner.
Like saying you have no right to complain as you're on the verge of the play offs in League One compared to the likes of Bury, Macclesfield etc who have all gone out of business.
This "careful what you wish for" nonsense is what has got us into this mess. The **** should've been forced out the club years ago
He owns us. He doesn't rent the club he literally owns us, so how do you 'force' him out? If you think a protest is going to bother him I have some very disappointing news for you.
P.S Vincent Tan is quite clearly a much better owner than Dai Yongge, you are lying to yourself if you believe otherwise.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
If you went down that road, every manager/coach in football would be blameless and nothing would be their fault.
Does every manager/coach sign players primarily from dodgy agents they have a long standing relationship with, even to the point of having their kids collecting a paycheck from the club?
I'm no fan of Vincent Tan, quite the opposite, but you can understand maybe why he's a little reluctant to put a football man in charge when the last time he did exactly that the football man pissed the entire Premiership kitty and parachute payment up the wall on utter dross and there's more than a few questions about whether it was all above board. We can't really make the argument both ways.
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Originally Posted by
LA Bluebird
Does every manager/coach sign players primarily from dodgy agents they have a long standing relationship with, even to the point of having their kids collecting a paycheck from the club?
I'm no fan of Vincent Tan, quite the opposite, but you can understand maybe why he's a little reluctant to put a football man in charge when the last time he did exactly that the football man pissed the entire Premiership kitty and parachute payment up the wall on utter dross and there's more than a few questions about whether it was all above board. We can't really make the argument both ways.
To a point you can understand his caution but any organisation worth it's salt doesn't abdicate accountability and give total autonomy especially one who has an outright owner - surely there are checks and balances in play to ensure things were done appropriately - the problem may have been no-one had football knowledge to challenge or counter Warnock - a little like an NHS surgeon having a debate about buying new life saving equipment with a hospital administrator - only one winner I would suspect
There is a middle ground that doesn't give total control to a football man or a cheap inexperienced option such as riza Hudson etc ( I would argue the catalogue of sacked managers isn't cheap as we must have been paying up contracts for 4 or 5 of them at the same time the rate we went through them - multiple people being paid for one person to do the job)
Which ever way you cut it there has been piss poor decision making for a long time and the only people ousted have been managers - they need to look higher up otherwise the pattern will continue as the hierarchy seems to excruciating slow learners
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Investing in a top manager isn't just about winning, it's about saving money. Good signings + success on the pitch = huge financial benefits that easily outweigh a higher salary. The manager is the most crucial investment a club can make.
Yeah and he’s never got it right…..
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I don't believe his approach with managers is anything to do with saving money on the salary.
if there was a proven manager who could guarantee us promotion then I have no doubt that Tan would be happy to pay for it. unfortunately they don't exist..
Board members are on record as saying Tan does not see the value in managers, and is fed up of getting burnt. He would not appoint a proven manager and pay them what it takes to get them here, as he does not believe they're value for money.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Board members are on record as saying Tan does not see the value in managers, and is fed up of getting burnt. He would not appoint a proven manager and pay them what it takes to get them here, as he does not believe they're value for money.
It’s bonkers, isn’t it.
He continues to hand over buckets of money to Dalman & Choo who have shown themselves to be completely incompetent.
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Originally Posted by
LA Bluebird
Does every manager/coach sign players primarily from dodgy agents they have a long standing relationship with, even to the point of having their kids collecting a paycheck from the club?
I'm no fan of Vincent Tan, quite the opposite, but you can understand maybe why he's a little reluctant to put a football man in charge when the last time he did exactly that the football man pissed the entire Premiership kitty and parachute payment up the wall on utter dross and there's more than a few questions about whether it was all above board. We can't really make the argument both ways.
Are you talking about Warnock? As good as he was for getting us up he was never a keeper, although he almost did keep us up.
He was hardly an inspiring up and coming manager though, we knew what we were getting and Tan didn’t really back him.
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Crisp White Lines
It’s bonkers, isn’t it.
He continues to hand over buckets of money to Dalman & Choo who have shown themselves to be completely incompetent.
Yeah, they must of cost him £150 million yet he still keeps them on earning millions, it’s just bizarre
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Originally Posted by
goats
Are you talking about Warnock? As good as he was for getting us up he was never a keeper, although he almost did keep us up.
He was hardly an inspiring up and coming manager though, we knew what we were getting and Tan didn’t really back him.
Tan fell out with Malky which impacted the team and then compounded it by giving Ole the job who wasn't the right fit for a relegation fight. After relegation and a poor start , Tan then decided he no longer trusted the managers with his money nor their transfer choices and started the succession of hiring "cheap" managers. We started to fall down the table over the following seasons even with parachute payments , he eventually got Warnock who turned us around, got us promoted but we blew it again !! The Warnock effect wore off and after yet another poor start after relegation , he was replaced by Harris who turned it around and got to play offs but failed and since then we have been on a downward spiral of new manager , rebuild, new manager ( cheaper option) ,rebuild, survive , new manager , rebuild, new manager ( cheaper option), rebuild, survive but will we see a break in the chain this time??? we need 3 wins I think, a big ask as he has only won 5 league games from 27 since he took charge
