If you happen to walk past main reception at 2pm- the protest is still planned

I think it will be an embarrasingly low turnout but you know who is still tweeting and posting about it and hes still going ahead with it.

However I'd say the most likely conflict is fan on fan as even on social media the majority of the comments seem critical of choosing this game for a protest especially since riza going.

So if you see a gathering my advice would be to give it a wide berth. :thumbup:

And again these organisers can't find it in themselves to post on here to ask what the aims are. Last time it was Tan Out. But I have no idea how they think this will happen without a buyer.

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And again these organisers can't find it in themselves to post on here to ask what the aims are. Last time it was Tan Out. But I have no idea how they think this will happen without a buyer.

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Didnt you see the thread mozzer started?! :wink:

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And again these organisers can't find it in themselves to post on here to ask what the aims are. Last time it was Tan Out. But I have no idea how they think this will happen without a buyer.

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I think organisers is an interesting word. Last time there were claims it wasnt you know who. Theres no such attempt this time and in fact i havent seen anyone else promote it apart from the central club guys.

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However I'd say the most likely conflict is fan on fan as even on social media the majority of the comments seem critical of choosing this game for a protest especially since riza going.

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The last protest took place before the Swansea game didn’t it? If, so that didn’t do any harm. Perhaps there should be a protest before every game.

The players have a sit down protest in every first half.

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And again these organisers can't find it in themselves to post on here to ask what the aims are. Last time it was Tan Out. But I have no idea how they think this will happen without a buyer.

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These are the fans that Riza branded clueless as they really are.

To be fair I have no issue with anyone wanting to protest against the current ownership.

I cant see how we progress under this ownership. But we need a buyer.

I have no idea on the actual plan so standing outside reception shouting Tan Out when he's not even there and having no actual idea on how they get Tan Out or what happens then ill give it a miss.

I won't be going but I can't knock when people organise and protest in the right way.

I get a lot don't particularly like some of the characters associated but I think we can all recognise to a certain degree that the club is rotten to the core. Riza going isn't really anything to do with it.

Well done for those who at least try and do something. All I do is have a whinge on here.

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I won't be going but I can't knock when people organise and protest in the right way.

I get a lot don't particularly like some of the characters associated but I think we can all recognise to a certain degree that the club is rotten to the core. Riza going isn't really anything to do with it.

Well done for those who at least try and do something. All I do is have a whinge on here.

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Fair points. They want to protest let them do it.

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These are the fans that Riza branded clueless as they really are.

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I won’t be attending as I generally don’t get to the ground much before 10 minutes before KO time

However I can’t work out why fans who feel so strongly about the club that they have chosen to protest against the way it’s currently being run can all be branded as clueless??

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I won’t be attending as I generally don’t get to the ground much before 10 minutes before KO time

However I can’t work out why fans who feel so strongly about the club that they have chosen to protest against the way it’s currently being run can all be branded as clueless??

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A lot of the time it’s an ego trip and nothing else.

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I won’t be attending as I generally don’t get to the ground much before 10 minutes before KO time

However I can’t work out why fans who feel so strongly about the club that they have chosen to protest against the way it’s currently being run can all be branded as clueless??

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Misguided would be a better description in my opinion, and there's a few egocentrics at play. I watched a bit of the Youtube stuff on the protest, and some of the responses towards the club and Tan personally, were not pretty, in fact they were damn right insulting and a couple were border line Racist. But, lets try and give people the benefit of the doubt, At least they're exercising their democratic right to protest, they're making some noise, they're upsetting a few people at the club who deserve calling out, and when inside the ground they're fully supportive of the players on the pitch. People saying it won't achieve anything, people saying there's no buyer etc isn't really the point. The point is that these fans are demonstrating their dissatisfaction towards the club Hierachy. If every action had to have an outcome then we wouldn't do anything. They're not my kind of people, but i respect their right to protest.

I was fully behind the last protest but unable to go due to being in Australia.

I am for all protests but organising one on a whim on 3 days notice ahead of our biggest game of the season is just an amateur ego boost for a certain someone. Today isn’t the day. Do it before every game next season or have a sit in after the game but today is massive and a half arsed effort with 72 hours notice is a waste of time and energy. The last one was planned weeks in advance

Not seen anything about this tbh. Will be interesting on numbers.

Hard to tell how successful the last one was as that route from the Napier to the CCS is always busy that time before the game.

It'll be interesting to see how many people just going to the club store, or just walking to the Family Stand are included in their 'numbers'.
Not against a protest, per se, but there's been little attempted engagement from inside certain circles to the wider audience, so until that happens, I can't see it having much influence.

They support and 'love' the club as most of us do, so I'm fine by that. Where I find protesting against Tan difficult is that he's just inept in terms of football knowhow, and has been determined throughout his ownership to follow his own path. If he'd squirrelled away £millions or hadn't invested in the club fair enough, but his intentions have been good, just totally mis-directed..

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Misguided would be a better description in my opinion, and there's a few egocentrics at play. I watched a bit of the Youtube stuff on the protest, and some of the responses towards the club and Tan personally, were not pretty, in fact they were damn right insulting and a couple were border line Racist. But, lets try and give people the benefit of the doubt, At least they're exercising their democratic right to protest, they're making some noise, they're upsetting a few people at the club who deserve calling out, and when inside the ground they're fully supportive of the players on the pitch. People saying it won't achieve anything, people saying there's no buyer etc isn't really the point. The point is that these fans are demonstrating their dissatisfaction towards the club Hierachy. If every action had to have an outcome then we wouldn't do anything. They're not my kind of people, but i respect their right to protest.

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Excellent post - well worded. This is exactly how I feel about it.

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They support and 'love' the club as most of us do, so I'm fine by that. Where I find protesting against Tan difficult is that he's just inept in terms of football knowhow, and has been determined throughout his ownership to follow his own path. If he'd squirrelled away £millions or hadn't invested in the club fair enough, but his intentions have been good, just totally mis-directed..

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Very fair. My big issue is how bad the managerial appointments have been.

A lot is said how bad a club we would be to manage. I honestly believe every manager we have had has been backed significantly.

Warnock had all he wanted for his 3 summers.

How many players did morison sign?

Neil harris got kieffer Moore and harry wilson.

Going back to malky he was backed.

Ole signed countless players.

We reinvested a lot of the mcguiness money (although probably would be no worse off on the pitch if he did pocket it!)

Riza was allowed to spend millions on a striker and on and on and on........

No idea how much we have spent on players since tan came but I bet it's significant and more than a lot of clubs currently in a much better place than we are.

However the appointments have all been so bad next season will be a disaster also.

Think it's a case of careful what you wish for.
If Tan left completely we could end up with worse. What we need is a co-investor - someone to invest in the club, and to work alongside him, showing how to run the club more succesfully from.a team point of view, which could result in success for club on and off the pitch.

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Think it's a case of careful what you wish for.
If Tan left completely we could end up with worse. What we need is a co-investor - someone to invest in the club, and to work alongside him, showing how to run the club more succesfully from.a team point of view, which could result in success for club on and off the pitch.

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Just find this point of view fascinating. He has let the club deteriorate for the last 10 years? How can it possibly get much worse? (And for every Reading owner there is an equivalent doing great work elsewhere)

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Just find this point of view fascinating. He has let the club deteriorate for the last 10 years? How can it possibly get much worse? (And for every Reading owner there is an equivalent doing great work elsewhere)

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He has continued to put money into the club every month. We could end up with someone who just drains every penny out of the club.
On the pitch, yes it's a shit show, as he hasn't got a clue football-wise and he fails continuously to employ someone who has. Get rid of Tan and you get rid of his financial support to.

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He has continued to put money into the club every month. We could end up with someone who just drains every penny out of the club.
On the pitch, yes it's a shit show, as he hasn't got a clue football-wise and he fails continuously to employ someone who has. Get rid of Tan and you get rid of his financial support to.

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What financial support? He just pays for his own shortcomings

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They support and 'love' the club as most of us do, so I'm fine by that. Where I find protesting against Tan difficult is that he's just inept in terms of football knowhow, and has been determined throughout his ownership to follow his own path. If he'd squirrelled away £millions or hadn't invested in the club fair enough, but his intentions have been good, just totally mis-directed..

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Hmmm...

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Misguided would be a better description in my opinion, and there's a few egocentrics at play. I watched a bit of the Youtube stuff on the protest, and some of the responses towards the club and Tan personally, were not pretty, in fact they were damn right insulting and a couple were border line Racist. But, lets try and give people the benefit of the doubt, At least they're exercising their democratic right to protest, they're making some noise, they're upsetting a few people at the club who deserve calling out, and when inside the ground they're fully supportive of the players on the pitch. People saying it won't achieve anything, people saying there's no buyer etc isn't really the point. The point is that these fans are demonstrating their dissatisfaction towards the club Hierachy. If every action had to have an outcome then we wouldn't do anything. They're not my kind of people, but i respect their right to protest.

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The protests will have more of an impact than the FAB writing a letter and then immediately apologise for not running it by Steve Borley first :hehe:

now I wonder if this would appease the protestors

Tan keeps on funding the club ( and he has done this from day one )

BUT

Dalman and Choo are binned and are replaced with a football man ( like Wrexham have Shaun Harvey )

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now I wonder if this would appease the protestors

Tan keeps on funding the club ( and he has done this from day one )

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Dalman and Choo are binned and are replaced with a football man ( like Wrexham have Shaun Harvey )

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Yes but try writing that on a bedsheet. :hehe:

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now I wonder if this would appease the protestors

Tan keeps on funding the club ( and he has done this from day one )

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Dalman and Choo are binned and are replaced with a football man ( like Wrexham have Shaun Harvey )

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Dalman and Choo aren't the decision makers. They've both said so, repeatedly. They're incompetent and should be replaced but it's still like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. This is on one bloke.

I'm sorry, defending Tan as we slide into the 3rd tier is mental

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Dalman and Choo aren't the decision makers. They've both said so, repeatedly.

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Do you believe them ? ? they must be making them or at least advising Tan, he doesnt have a clue and must be taking advise / direction from the people who are paid to do just that

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valid point, its not happening even on a kingsize :hehe:

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Dalman and Choo aren't the decision makers. They've both said so, repeatedly. They're incompetent and should be replaced but it's still like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. This is on one bloke.

I'm sorry, defending Tan as we slide into the 3rd tier is mental

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Dalman seems to claim he is when it suits him.

Eg the cat who got the cream with ole.

Introducing bulut and laughing publicly at tan for not understanding football.

When it doesn't suit him though yes it's all on tan and he says hes powerless.

As I asked in the tan out thread but nobody has answered yet- in theory could tan sack dalman? Or do dalman shares and investment (is it true he's charging large interest and tan isn't?) Make it not possible as he's not actually an employee? I really don't know but considering how tan is quite ruthless at times how has dalman escaped especially when he mocked him so publicly.

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Dalman seems to claim he is when it suits him.

Eg the cat who got the cream with ole.

Introducing bulut and laughing publicly at tan for not understanding football.

When it doesn't suit him though yes it's all on tan and he says hes powerless.

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Yes, he's also an incompetent tosser but Tan is the decision maker.

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valid point, its not happening even on a kingsize :hehe:

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Or on the megaphone?

"What do we want?!"

Crowd "tan to continue to invest like he has since day 1 to be fair but get rid of dalman and choo and appoint some experienced people from the football world maybe like Shaun Harvey who was at wrexham for the business side and a director of football for the football side also."

"When do we want it?!"

Crowd "Now!"

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Do you believe them ? ? they must be making them or at least advising Tan, he doesnt have a clue and must be taking advise / direction from the people who are paid to do just that

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Do I believe that Tan is the sole decision maker? :hehe:

He doesn't have a clue but he thinks he does, and that's why we're where we are. Defending Tan, on today of all days, deary me

There's minor Stockholm syndrome here.

He has been here a long time and turned his original £6 million investment into a loss of £200 million. He is the sole master of strategy and has never surveyed his customers on their satisfaction; attendance seems to be the metric. If they are happy, they'll turn up.

We are now in a worse place than when he bought us, and he has made a huge loss....But there are ego's at play in a demo?

The protest is all about onew pewrsons EGO and him saying i can get all the supporters to do what i want and say

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Nothing to do with the team being joint-bottom of the Championship after years of mismanagement at the club then?

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As I asked in the tan out thread but nobody has answered yet- in theory could tan sack dalman? Or do dalman shares and investment (is it true he's charging large interest and tan isn't?) Make it not possible as he's not actually an employee? I really don't know but considering how tan is quite ruthless at times how has dalman escaped especially when he mocked him so publicly.

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Dalman has loaned money to the club but that doesn't protect his position within the club. Presumably it's all been done properly so he can't whack up the interest rate or demand repayment if he fell out with Tan.
Not sure if he's a shareholder but if he is it must be a tiny amount as Tan owns about 98%. As majority shareholder Tan could, I think, remove him from his position as director and non-executive chairman any time he wants, so it is surprising he hasn't for numerous reasons.

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As majority shareholder Tan could, I think, remove him from his position as director and non-executive chairman any time he wants, so it is surprising he hasn't for numerous reasons.

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Maybe, just maybe he's doing what Tan wants him to do

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Dalman has loaned money to the club but that doesn't protect his position within the club. Presumably it's all been done properly so he can't whack up the interest rate or demand repayment if he fell out with Tan.
Not sure if he's a shareholder but if he is it must be a tiny amount as Tan owns about 98%. As majority shareholder Tan could, I think, remove him from his position as director and non-executive chairman any time he wants, so it is surprising he hasn't for numerous reasons.

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Dalman has loaned the club £30m or so but if the interest rate he is charging is less than the going rate for mezzanine finance then it may well be written into the agreement that Tan will repay it if Dalman wants to walk. Dalman has stated publicly that of all the boards of businesses he sits on Cardiff City’s is the only one that has no expertise in the business it is actually in. Dalman has also said on a number of occasions that he wants a DOF but Tan isn’t having it. Tan’s appalling running of the club as the ultimate and unchallenged decision maker looks to be leading to us to relegation. It must be more than frustrating for a Chairman who is not beholden to Tan (unlike Choo) to make a success of a business he is trying to run so I would not be surprised if Dalman walks.