So...if we somehow win against WBA...

..does it definitely go to the last day of the season?

Yes, because Derby are playing Hull on Saturday.

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Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead

..does it definitely go to the last day of the season?

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https://www.worldfootball.net/table_...-championship/

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Yeah will go down to last game with a win. If (lol) we win both, below is what we need elsewhere...

Two of the followimg

Hull to lose both (Home v Derby, Away v Pompey)

Derby not to win either of their last two (Away v Hull, Home v Stoke)

Luton to lose one of their last two (Home v Coventry, Away v West Brom).

Oxford to lose both (Home v Sunderland, Away to Swansea) note; We'd need one of the 4 games involving us or Oxford to be by more than 1 goal.

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Originally Posted by ccfcwelshlad

Yeah will go down to last game with a win. If (lol) we win both, below is what we need elsewhere...

Two of the followimg

Hull to lose both (Home v Derby, Away v Pompey)

Derby not to win either of their last two (Away v Hull, Home v Stoke)

Luton to lose one of their last two (Home v Coventry, Away v West Brom).

Oxford to lose both (Home v Sunderland, Away to Swansea) note; We'd need one of the 4 games involving us or Oxford to be by more than 1 goal.

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Would be peak City to win the next two comfortably and still be relegated.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Originally Posted by ccfcwelshlad

Yeah will go down to last game with a win. If (lol) we win both, below is what we need elsewhere...

Two of the followimg

Hull to lose both (Home v Derby, Away v Pompey)

Derby not to win either of their last two (Away v Hull, Home v Stoke)

Luton to lose one of their last two (Home v Coventry, Away v West Brom).

Oxford to lose both (Home v Sunderland, Away to Swansea) note; We'd need one of the 4 games involving us or Oxford to be by more than 1 goal.

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thanks but i wish you hadnt:hehe:

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Yeah will go down to last game with a win. If (lol) we win both, below is what we need elsewhere...

Two of the followimg

Hull to lose both (Home v Derby, Away v Pompey)

Derby not to win either of their last two (Away v Hull, Home v Stoke)

Luton to lose one of their last two (Home v Coventry, Away v West Brom).

Oxford to lose both (Home v Sunderland, Away to Swansea) note; We'd need one of the 4 games involving us or Oxford to be by more than 1 goal.

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I have no idea why but I feel like the most likely teams to overhaul are Hull & Oxford (somehow). Oxford with their goal difference and arguably difficult last 2 whilst a home defeat for Hull would put huge pressure on a trip against a side that's very strong at home. I just can't see Derby losing to Stoke

Chambers with a 94th minute pelanty

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Originally Posted by Trigger

Would be peak City to win the next two comfortably and still be relegated.

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On goal difference too….:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by City123

I have no idea why but I feel like the most likely teams to overhaul are Hull & Oxford (somehow). Oxford with their goal difference and arguably difficult last 2 whilst a home defeat for Hull would put huge pressure on a trip against a side that's very strong at home. I just can't see Derby losing to Stoke

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Stoke have thrown in the towel after beating us, they will lose to Derby, Sunderland seem to have gone off the boil too as rubbish as Oxford are they will probably win somehow. Hull v Derby is the tough call…..still, just forget it all, it’s much easier to assume we are already gone bar a miracle that never happens to Cardiff city fc.

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Originally Posted by goats

Stoke have thrown in the towel after beating us, they will lose to Derby, Sunderland seem to have gone off the boil too as rubbish as Oxford are they will probably win somehow. Hull v Derby is the tough call…..still, just forget it all, it’s much easier to assume we are already gone bar a miracle that never happens to Cardiff city fc.

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...except for now...

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https://www.worldfootball.net/table_...-championship/

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There is one scenario where City Oxford and Luton could all end up on 49 points, and with the same goal difference (of -20 for example).

How is the relegation spot determined then?

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Originally Posted by KingOfSiamIAm

There is one scenario where City Oxford and Luton could all end up on 49 points, and with the same goal difference (of -20 for example).

How is the relegation spot determined then?

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If it's head to head - we lose against both !! :ohwell:

We had the worst start to a league season in the club's entire history. We suffered our heaviest since the mid-Sixties. We've won just once in our last ten games, and we've had fewer wins than anyone else in the division.

Nevertheless, with two games to go, we still haven't been relegated.

That's crazy.

Ten games to go the change to Rambo and we would have pissed it, this is so frustrating, how Tan and Co couldn't see Riza was out of his depth both on the touchline and in the press conferences God only knows.

A fool and their money are soon parted.

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Originally Posted by KingOfSiamIAm

There is one scenario where City Oxford and Luton could all end up on 49 points, and with the same goal difference (of -20 for example).

How is the relegation spot determined then?

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Goals scored. We'd be ok in that scenario :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Trigger

Would be peak City to win the next two comfortably and still be relegated.

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or for all the other results to go our way, and we mess it up against Norwich

Birmingham beat Norwich on the final day last season but went down...

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

Birmingham beat Norwich on the final day last season but went down...

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With 51 points? There's every chance Plymouth could finish bottom with 49.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

We had the worst start to a league season in the club's entire history. We suffered our heaviest since the mid-Sixties. We've won just once in our last ten games, and we've had fewer wins than anyone else in the division.

Nevertheless, with two games to go, we still haven't been relegated.

That's crazy.

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If you consider that both Derby and Luton have picked up a lot of points in the last 8 games too it’s even more remarkable

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or for all the other results to go our way, and we mess it up against Norwich

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Such a happy hunting ground too carrow rd if my memory serves me right…..:shrug:

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Originally Posted by goats

Stoke have thrown in the towel after beating us, they will lose to Derby, Sunderland seem to have gone off the boil too as rubbish as Oxford are they will probably win somehow. Hull v Derby is the tough call…..still, just forget it all, it’s much easier to assume we are already gone bar a miracle that never happens to Cardiff city fc.

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Yeah derby are safe. Luton on a charge also and will be safe. Hull will drop and the only team we could catch is Oxford if we won both games.

Here's one for you all

We win both games.

Oxford lose to Sunderland.

They are 3 0 down to the jacks after 94 mins but staying up on GD. The jacks get a penalty if they score it makes it 4 0 and sends Oxford down on GD and we stay up. Do they score it?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Yeah derby are safe. Luton on a charge also and will be safe. Hull will drop and the only team we could catch is Oxford if we won both games.

Here's one for you all

We win both games.

Oxford lose to Sunderland.

They are 3 0 down to the jacks after 94 mins but staying up on GD. The jacks get a penalty if they score it makes it 4 0 and sends Oxford down on GD and we stay up. Do they score it?

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No, not a hope in hell, the hatred is engrained in them lot

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Yeah derby are safe. Luton on a charge also and will be safe. Hull will drop and the only team we could catch is Oxford if we won both games.

Here's one for you all

We win both games.

Oxford lose to Sunderland.

They are 3 0 down to the jacks after 94 mins but staying up on GD. The jacks get a penalty if they score it makes it 4 0 and sends Oxford down on GD and we stay up. Do they score it?

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Score they make the playoffs but send Oxford down instead of us……they’d still miss it

I've swung back round now, I reckon we'll do it

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I've swung back round now, I reckon we'll do it

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7/1 to stay up with SkyBet.

Get your money on it if you're brave enough.

:-) :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Yeah derby are safe.

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Don't be daft. Derby have had some great results recently, but they've also lost to Luton and the Jacks. Nothing is guaranteed with any of the clubs at the bottom.

Speaking of which, here's the current form table for the last ten Championship games. Our position is suitably grim but we've got two very kind fixtures left to play. We'll probably lose at least one of them, but still...

https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables...home-and-away/

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Originally Posted by KingOfSiamIAm

There is one scenario where City Oxford and Luton could all end up on 49 points, and with the same goal difference (of -20 for example).

How is the relegation spot determined then?

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Goals scored.

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Originally Posted by City123

I have no idea why but I feel like the most likely teams to overhaul are Hull & Oxford (somehow). Oxford with their goal difference and arguably difficult last 2 whilst a home defeat for Hull would put huge pressure on a trip against a side that's very strong at home. I just can't see Derby losing to Stoke

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Ben Cabango is going to score an OG to relegate us in the 93rd minute

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Nothing is guaranteed with any of the clubs at the bottom.

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If we can't beat Oxford or Stoke at home, I fail to see how we are going to beat WBA.

No guarantees , but it looks extremely unlikely that we'll ick up wins in our last two games.

Doesn't matter what the rest do.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

7/1 to stay up with SkyBet.

Get your money on it if you're brave enough.

:-) :thumbup:

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I actually checked that earlier and thought there's no way I'm putting more than a tenner on it and it's not really worth it for £70 :hehe:

The problem with all of this if we do this and they do that stuff is that from very rarely doing our bit, we've now just stopped doing it. I was pretty confident that we could win our last two games, but now that West Brom and Norwich have sacked their managers, I'm not expecting us to do so (West Brom still have a very slim chance of making the Play Offs as well).

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The problem with all of this if we do this and they do that stuff is that from very rarely doing our bit, we've now just stopped doing it. I was pretty confident that we could win our last two games, but now that West Brom and Norwich have sacked their managers, I'm not expecting us to do so (West Brom still have a very slim chance of making the Play Offs as well).

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With Coventry playing early, they’ll know by KO time, if they still got a chance

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With Coventry playing early, they’ll know by KO time, if they still got a chance

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If Coventry get a point WBA can't reach play offs.

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With Coventry playing early, they’ll know by KO time, if they still got a chance

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And likewise that game is huge for us.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

If Coventry get a point WBA can't reach play offs.

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I think it's irrelevant. West Brom's players will already know they can't realistically reach the play-offs, especially as Middlesbrough play Coventry on the final day.

I'm more concerned by the fact that they're obviously a better side than they've shown recently. With their manager gone and a play-off place a pipedream, there in no real pressure on them on Saturday.

Anything can happen of course, but with the likes of Adam Armstrong, Karlan Grant, Daryl Dike, Grady Diangana, Jed Wallace and Jonathan Swift available to them, a relaxed West Brom are likely to have plenty of attacking threat against our fragile defence.

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Originally Posted by goats

Stoke have thrown in the towel after beating us

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They have only played two matches since beating us and they have won one of those

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I think it's irrelevant. West Brom's players will already know they can't realistically reach the play-offs, especially as Middlesbrough play Coventry on the final day.

I'm more concerned by the fact that they're obviously a better side than they've shown recently. With their manager gone and a play-off place a pipedream, there in no real pressure on them on Saturday.

Anything can happen of course, but with the likes of Adam Armstrong, Karlan Grant, Daryl Dike, Grady Diangana, Jed Wallace and Jonathan Swift available to them, a relaxed West Brom are likely to have plenty of attacking threat against our fragile defence.

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That list feels like a who's who of "Too good for the Championship, not good enough for the Premier League"

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That list feels like a who's who of "Too good for the Championship, not good enough for the Premier League"

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That's similar to what I've been saying about West Brom all season - they have a squad of decent players by Championship standards, but none of them would be good enough at the next level. And that's kind of where we're at in the Championship this season. Very few players at very few clubs appear to have the quality required to play at a higher level. There are usually a reasonable number of players at the teams who are in and around the top six who you think have the potential to make the step up, but this season? Not so many.