California

How it once was ...

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How it's going ...

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Before and after Trump, eh?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Before and after Trump, eh?

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After the commies came to town you mean?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

After the commies came to town you mean?

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Oh dear. You're not even pretending any more are you? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Oh dear. You're not even pretending any more are you? :hehe:

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Oh dear. You're not even pretending any more are you? :hehe:

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They say the UK is always 5 years behind the US, so you might get to find out for yourself?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

They say the UK is always 5 years behind the US, so you might get to find out for yourself?

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Need to get some palm trees planted if Barry Island is to resemble Santa Monica in 5 years time

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

They say the UK is always 5 years behind the US, so you might get to find out for yourself?

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What we forecasting in 5 years time for here?

Reform in government, snatch squads carrying out deportations and Farage sending the TAs into Oldham?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

After the commies came to town you mean?

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Your heart doesn’t seem to be in it any more when it comes to Trump, not like it was during his first term.

New rules from the CCMB massive
Trumps California
Bidens Gaza
Bidens Ukraine
Is this how it works ?

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

New rules from the CCMB massive
Trumps California
Bidens Gaza
Bidens Ukraine
Is this how it works ?

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Yes….. No….. Maybe…. What is the question?

Feels like we're not that far from worldwide unrest and riots

Trump and the protesters deserve each other. Trump whipping it up with talks of insurrection(how very ironic). Morons on the street protesting/rioting while carrying mexican flags, as if they are determined to play up to the 'dangerous invaders' tag that trump has put on them. Can't see this ending well.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Yes….. No….. Maybe…. What is the question?

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I understand that California is a state and is governed at state level by it's governor and it's mayor, you have attributed the current problems to Trump using your meme, I've not seen him, looting, firebombing, throwing bricks at cars etc. etc so am wondering how blame apportion works, I do think you were getting at it's because Trump is the current president so I looked at Ukraine and it kicked off under Bidens presidency same for Gaza. Is this how it works ?
Hope you understand the question now? It would appear to me from the outside looking in and when you add in the appalling way the California mis handled their resent water problems, and fire problems, the California state government has quite a bit to answer for ????? Edit, and the high speed rail fiasco ,😂

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

I understand that California is a state and is governed at state level by it's governor and it's mayor, you have attributed the current problems to Trump using your meme, I've not seen him, looting, firebombing, throwing bricks at cars etc. etc so am wondering how blame apportion works, I do think you were getting at it's because Trump is the current president so I looked at Ukraine and it kicked off under Bidens presidency same for Gaza. Is this how it works ?
Hope you understand the question now? It would appear to me from the outside looking in and when you add in the appalling way the California mis handled their resent water problems, and fire problems, the California state government has quite a bit to answer for ????? Edit, and the high speed rail fiasco ,😂

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I was just giving Gluey a bit of political froth and banter back. He was obviously fishing and it felt rude not to have a nibble.

However thanks for the clarification re states and federal government. Now I know the state governor controls and directs ICE and the other agencies that provoked the riots I may have to have a re-think.

Biden certainly has a very long charge sheet - but when it comes to Ukraine and Gaza he’s neck and neck with Trump (both terms) when it comes to rewarding murderous autocrats, excusing genocide and undermining the last vestiges of international law!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I was just giving Gluey a bit of political froth and banter back. He was obviously fishing and it felt rude not to have a nibble.

However thanks for the clarification re states and federal government. Now I know the state governor controls and directs ICE and the other agencies that provoked the riots I may have to have a re-think.

Biden certainly has a very long charge sheet - but when it comes to Ukraine and Gaza he’s neck and neck with Trump (both terms) when it comes to rewarding murderous autocrats, excusing genocide and undermining the last vestiges of international law!

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I was being mischievous of course, I think I got off lightly, I was expecting a right bollocking from you 😂😂😂

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

Trump and the protesters deserve each other. Trump whipping it up with talks of insurrection(how very ironic). Morons on the street protesting/rioting while carrying mexican flags, as if they are determined to play up to the 'dangerous invaders' tag that trump has put on them. Can't see this ending well.

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I feel similarly, but with a little bit of sympathy for the protestors. Trump and his vociferous, flagrant ineptitude is what has created this, so I don't begrudge the people of LA, as well as across the US for being pissed off at their country playing footsie with potential fascism. Whether or not Trump is or isn't a fascist isn't relevant to me because the fact is, he's getting far too close to it for it to be comfortable for my liking, and as such, I don't blame people for taking a stand against him. As much as I despise Starmer and the current Labour government, I can say with confidence that they aren't a fascist regime, but merely pawns of neoliberal hyper-capitalism. It's like comparing a D- essay to someone taking a shit on the paper and presenting it as their essay.

The US is a failed state and brought it upon itself with its inability to accept criticism through its bombast arrogance.

Hasn't he just nipped a riot in the bud? Isn't that what we praised Starmer for last summer?

Why should the looting of shops etc be tolerated and violence against officers doing their job?

Of course there is politics at play, there's issues of precedence and state rights but putting that aside most will be glad to not see the city burning. This week at least.

Not for the first time, I find these comparisons to fascism absolutely absurd.

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Originally Posted by Coyote

I feel similarly, but with a little bit of sympathy for the protestors. Trump and his vociferous, flagrant ineptitude is what has created this, so I don't begrudge the people of LA, as well as across the US for being pissed off at their country playing footsie with potential fascism. Whether or not Trump is or isn't a fascist isn't relevant to me because the fact is, he's getting far too close to it for it to be comfortable for my liking, and as such, I don't blame people for taking a stand against him. As much as I despise Starmer and the current Labour government, I can say with confidence that they aren't a fascist regime, but merely pawns of neoliberal hyper-capitalism. It's like comparing a D- essay to someone taking a shit on the paper and presenting it as their essay.

The US is a failed state and brought it upon itself with its inability to accept criticism through its bombast arrogance.

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Great post! 👍

I’m a proponent of Hispanic people finding a quick path to legalization and then citizenship.
In my experience they are lovely and work a ton harder than anyone I know is capable of.

They have been hugely maligned due to a small minority of gangbangers.

My beef is with the radical left/antifa or whatever you want to call its involvement.
Palestine flags present just show that it is hijacked people determined to attack the west and using this unrest as another tool.

It could be BLM and there will be some twat there wearing a keffiyeh.

It’s nothing to do with Latinos for these people just a battle against Western Civilization.

No better than the January 6th rioters.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Hasn't he just nipped a riot in the bud? Isn't that what we praised Starmer for last summer?

Why should the looting of shops etc be tolerated and violence against officers doing their job?

Of course there is politics at play, there's issues of precedence and state rights but putting that aside most will be glad to not see the city burning. This week at least.

Not for the first time, I find these comparisons to fascism absolutely absurd.

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Remember how the links between Trump and Epstein had become a talking point last week? No one’s talking about them now are they.

I find it absurd that you have spent the last few years denying the possibility that we’re seeing instances of fascism in the USA and certain countries in Europe.

It looks like the Los Angeles Mayor is also playing footsie with potential fascism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiYwShVho4w

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

I’m a proponent of Hispanic people finding a quick path to legalization and then citizenship.
In my experience they are lovely and work a ton harder than anyone I know is capable of.

They have been hugely maligned due to a small minority of gangbangers.

My beef is with the radical left/antifa or whatever you want to call its involvement.
Palestine flags present just show that it is hijacked people determined to attack the west and using this unrest as another tool.

It could be BLM and there will be some twat there wearing a keffiyeh.

It’s nothing to do with Latinos for these people just a battle against Western Civilization.

No better than the January 6th rioters.

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But there is a huge problem with Western values. There's no point ignoring it.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Remember how the links between Trump and Epstein had become a talking point last week? No one’s talking about them now are they.

I find it absurd that you have spent the last few years denying the possibility that we’re seeing instances of fascism in the USA and certain countries in Europe.

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I should imagine the first point is to do with various defamation laws, I don't know. I do know that his opponents would have done anything to stop him running for president last year, so who knows.

On the second point, it's all cherry picking. Fascism isn't a handful of examples, it's a comprehensive totalitarian system. Taking individual examples, there's examples of "fascism" in almost any country, especially in terms of quelling riots.

This isn't fascism. It's politics. Between political opponents. It's more akin to the COVID rows between Wales/Scotland and Westminster a few years ago.

I do understand the point people are trying to mak, I just think it's a massive overreach

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I should imagine the first point is to do with various defamation laws, I don't know. I do know that his opponents would have done anything to stop him running for president last year, so who knows.

On the second point, it's all cherry picking. Fascism isn't a handful of examples, it's a comprehensive totalitarian system. Taking individual examples, there's examples of "fascism" in almost any country, especially in terms of quelling riots.

This isn't fascism. It's politics. Between political opponents. It's more akin to the COVID rows between Wales/Scotland and Westminster a few years ago.

I do understand the point people are trying to mak, I just think it's a massive overreach

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You’re being proved wrong on this - watch the first ten minutes of this and listen to the 14 signs of fascism as defined by a politically neutral organization as far as I’m aware. It’s beyond argument now that Trump ticks the boxes on 70-80 % of those 14 points.

https://youtu.be/favft9klZFs?si=uFLPyx29DIgM_J5v

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You’re being proved wrong on this - watch the first ten minutes of this and listen to the 14 signs of fascism as defined by a politically neutral organization as far as I’m aware. It’s beyond argument now that Trump ticks the boxes on 70-80 % of those 14 points.

https://youtu.be/favft9klZFs?si=uFLPyx29DIgM_J5v

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I just disagree almost entirely. I find Alastair Campbell genuinely one of the most dislikeable characters in politics and gus hypocrisy is off the scale given he wanted to cancel a democrat vote. Rory Stewart is a more nuanced and interesting character but they are both on the same side in their rather hysterical takes on this issue and it clouds the rational criticisms of Trump that absolutely are valid.

Its no different to people claiming the EU is a communist, that Biden is a radical lefty or that Starmer is some globalist puppet paid by Jews or whatever.

They just ignore what they want and amplify what they want to give an unbalanced picture. For a start, they totally dismiss the riots and damage and how severe some of these have been in recent years. They dismiss immigration concerns (they probably own at least four houses between them) and ignore attacks on police etc and then take a giant leap to conclude the national guard being involved as being fascist. It isn't.

There's an issue of state rights and responsibility here and the state v federal govt argument. A fascist would want to accumulate power at the federal level. But let's look at another thing he would have been slammed for; when he granted states the power over abortion laws. Controversial, yes. But the absolute opposite of fascism, giving individual states and electoral therein to determine that policy.

It is an overreach (probably). It is definitely political, about who ultimately controls California. It is also confrontational. It's also (probably) effective. I listened to a Newsom speech yesterday that also ticks most of those definitions. He praised the police, praised a curfew, talked about American heroes and things. But because he is a Democrat, the presentation of him being a fascist is never considered. (He isn't either of course).

Look, Trump is a unique and very temperamental character. He's potentially dangerous and inflammatory, but these endless exclamations of "fascism!" are just daft, and a dishonourable liar like Alastair Campbell clutching his pearls about it makes it seem even less realistic.

People are free to protest. They aren't free to set fire to cars and loot and someone like Trump will react to that more forcefully than others and make the same political points that others did about the capitol riots.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You’re being proved wrong on this

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Why did Mayor Bass have to declare a curfew just a few hours after Ally & Rory were saying everything was very peaceful in LA?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Why did Mayor Bass have to declare a curfew just a few hours after Ally & Rory were saying everything was very peaceful in LA?

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A curfew in a very small area of a very large city.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

A curfew in a very small area of a very large city.

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That's where the "peaceful" rioters were!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I just disagree almost entirely. I find Alastair Campbell genuinely one of the most dislikeable characters in politics and gus hypocrisy is off the scale given he wanted to cancel a democrat vote. Rory Stewart is a more nuanced and interesting character but they are both on the same side in their rather hysterical takes on this issue and it clouds the rational criticisms of Trump that absolutely are valid.

Its no different to people claiming the EU is a communist, that Biden is a radical lefty or that Starmer is some globalist puppet paid by Jews or whatever.

They just ignore what they want and amplify what they want to give an unbalanced picture. For a start, they totally dismiss the riots and damage and how severe some of these have been in recent years. They dismiss immigration concerns (they probably own at least four houses between them) and ignore attacks on police etc and then take a giant leap to conclude the national guard being involved as being fascist. It isn't.

There's an issue of state rights and responsibility here and the state v federal govt argument. A fascist would want to accumulate power at the federal level. But let's look at another thing he would have been slammed for; when he granted states the power over abortion laws. Controversial, yes. But the absolute opposite of fascism, giving individual states and electoral therein to determine that policy.

It is an overreach (probably). It is definitely political, about who ultimately controls California. It is also confrontational. It's also (probably) effective. I listened to a Newsom speech yesterday that also ticks most of those definitions. He praised the police, praised a curfew, talked about American heroes and things. But because he is a Democrat, the presentation of him being a fascist is never considered. (He isn't either of course).

Look, Trump is a unique and very temperamental character. He's potentially dangerous and inflammatory, but these endless exclamations of "fascism!" are just daft, and a dishonourable liar like Alastair Campbell clutching his pearls about it makes it seem even less realistic.

People are free to protest. They aren't free to set fire to cars and loot and someone like Trump will react to that more forcefully than others and make the same political points that others did about the capitol riots.

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Playing the man not the ball then. I knew you’d say something like that about Campbell, but his only relevance in the point I’m making is that he lists the 14 points about Fascism. His answers don’t matter, but the questions he recites do.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Playing the man not the ball then. I knew you’d say something like that about Campbell, but his only relevance in the point I’m making is that he lists the 14 points about Fascism. His answers don’t matter, but the questions he recites do.

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So Mayor Bass is a power hungry fascist too?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Playing the man not the ball then. I knew you’d say something like that about Campbell, but his only relevance in the point I’m making is that he lists the 14 points about Fascism. His answers don’t matter, but the questions he recites do.

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It does matter, because it's his interpretation of it and he'd a very vocal political rival who I think takes a very poor take of most political topics in the last decade or so. So no, I don't agree with him.

But my thoughts on Alastair Campbell was only a small part of what I said..

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

That's where the "peaceful" rioters were!

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What does that mean? I watched the video you posted and the Mayor was trying to put things into a context which you have ignored because it doesn’t your agenda.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

So Mayor Bass is a power hungry fascist too?

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She might be, i don’t know, but she only ticks about three of the fourteen boxes as far as I can see.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

What does that mean? I watched the video you posted and the Mayor was trying to put things into a context which you have ignored because it doesn’t your agenda.

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She is ticking some of the same boxes that Trump is ticking.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

She might be, i don’t know, but she only ticks about three of the fourteen boxes as far as I can see.

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Ah, fascism light! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Ah, fascism light! :hehe:

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Fallen off the fence then I see.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Fallen off the fence then I see.

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Logic doesn't choose any side.

Hands up if you called the Democrat elites a bunch of fascists when this happened in Obama's backyard.

https://i.postimg.cc/dt869t2F/666999666.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Logic doesn't choose any side.

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That guy from Kung Fu is back I see.

https://youtu.be/QX8_gDCLemk?si=I9guqoTMrZSauhP5