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The strangest signing I think we’ve ever made. What a waste of money.
Tsunoda similar. Both crazy. Loaned to Tan's Belgian clubs.
I wonder if we will buy and send players there this season?
it's not crazy, it's an entirely valid approach, plenty of other clubs do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Hasnt worked out for us yet, but that doesn't mean it won't.
Tsunoda has done very well in his 2 spells in Belgium, if he hadn't have been injured in-between he'd probably have been in the first team by now, or sold at a profit.
Simic didn't work out in Belgium, again hampered by injury, but if he does well on this loan we can either flip him at a profit or have a new striker waiting in the wings.
We were desperate for an injection of something up front last season. Nothing to lose, didn’t play him. Strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
For clubs of our size spending £m on simic and then loaning him out when we ourselves needed a striker was odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
If we buy someone for a 100k and do it, it makes sense.
The loan includes an obligation to buy so it’s unlikely to turn a profit as how he does this season is largely irrelevant. We may have put down caveats on the fee depending on how he does this season but this is Cardiff City so I’d guess thats was most unlikely. After the season he had last year it’s more likely to be another loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
You’re talking like we are a premier league club with cash to burn and can just make signings with no intention of using them in our first team in the hope they will come good in the future and turn a profit.
We are a club that’s making losses year on year, who don’t spend a lot on transfer fees and so if we are going to be making 7 figure sum signings I don’t think it’s unfair for fans to expect these players to be ready for our first team, not some fanciful “investment” hope that we bugger off to Belgium and we keep burning our fingers on time and time again,
Spot on. RJK has played too much football manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
Any signing that we actually pay money for has to be first team material in the current situation at our club. You’d never buy anything for your house that was more expensive than any other appliance you’ve got, then lend it to your next door neighbour to see if it improves things in their house before deciding whether to have it back.
He’s got money to blow it’s fine…..Quote:
Originally Posted by Underhill1980
Poor man’s Javi Guerra
I watched Tsunoda play two games for the under 21’s last season and he looked a decent player. Isaac Davies certainly rated him at Kortijk. Injury free he could be one to watch!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Maybe the author of the article i read saying we were the worst run club in the EFL had a point.
I’m at a loss. If this had happened in any other business, the person instigating the purchase (of such a value) would also be gone. Incompetence, no other word for it.
I think that depends how much of a hit we end up taking on himQuote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
Exactly. It wasn’t long ago we were under a transfer embargo. Clubs in our position shouldn’t be spending a million pound on a player and never given them a chance ffs. As Des says, it’s utter incompetence. The recruitment under the Tan regime has been a shambles for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Even this is a bit hasty and ill thought out. Simic signed his four year Cardiff City contract in August 2024 which means his wage costs can be excluded from the financial fair play calculations in League 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Let's say he has a decent season on loan at Karlsruher and Cardiff fail to get promoted, we'll be ruing the fact we sold him whilst no doubt still including Kion Etete's wages in the FFP submission/s.
I'd be waiting until the season is over before making a call on a permanent transfer. Then again, this is Cardiff City. :frown:
we don't know for sure what's in the loan contract, I've seen it reported as an "obligation to buy" and also an "option to buy" both by itk twitter accounts that I wouldn't trust to tell me the weather outside the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamsarnie
Name on Champ club that's spent 2.5m on a striker that wasn't ready, that's come off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
It is lunacy to spend that much on a striker that they knew wasn't ready. It should be a sackable offence for Deboys, it seems he has a promotion
you're obsessed with deboys :hehe: I think 90% of the time he's been mentioned on here it's in your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
in reality we don't know what's going on inside the club and where to apportion blame/credit for any signings.
as for Simic we bought him for €2m so what £1.75m? and the club obviously thought he had potential to increase in value. if we end up getting that much from the German club from a loan fee and future transfer fee then it would hardly have been a disaster. even if we end up eating a modest loss it's worth the gamble from time to time for the time that it comes off and you make a lot of money.
I'm not saying it's been a successful move btw it's more like a side investment that hasn't delivered any return yet. he was clearly never in our plans for the first team for this season.
Your last paragraph sums it up though, doesn’t it. Us, spending that type of fee, the player has to be in the first team plans as soon as the ink is dry on the contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
He's quite happy to take praiseQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...nsfer-31115935
Bingo, you can't spend millions on a player that isn't ready when we had so many holes to fillQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
21st century Godfrey Ingram.Quote:
Originally Posted by Underhill1980
Very, very odd.
We went inti the summer transfer window last year with everyone and their dog saying we had to buy a striker. We ended up buying one (who the manager at the time knew little or nothing about as he described it as a “club signing”) for a seven figure fee and promptly loaned him out to our owner’s other club where he barely featured. Someone mentioned the strange case of Godfrey Ingram back in 82/83, but at least he scored three first team goals in the six weeks or so he was with us - Simic has to be the oddest signing we’ve made in the time I’ve been supporting the club and probably for the whole of our existence and, with Erol Bulut washing his hands of the matter, all of those involved in this signing are still with the club and playing a part in our recruitment plans!
Two months ago, everyone it seemed bar one person was in agreement that the club was desperately in need of major structural changes, yet all we’ve seen is the appointment of yet another manager/head coach. To be fair, there are those who think Brian Barry-Murphy is a shrewd appointment, but he has an enormous task because we’re still a Tan knows best club with all of the huge drawbacks that brings - if you told someone pretty well acquainted with EFL about the Rocco Simic transfer and asked them to guess the buying club, I guarantee that Cardiff would be one of the first three guesses they’d make - Omer Rica used to claim Yousef Salech was his signing and I for one believed him because Tan, Dalman, Choo, Deboys etc would never have found him.
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Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I’ve heard the loan fee is substantially higher than what you would call poor business.
The option to buy would clear what we have currently paid ( €2m fee was based on significant add ons ) and give the club a nice profit.
Thankfully it’s not my business but this transfer makes a good chatter on social media.
I find it very hard to believe we're going to make a profit on Simic, but, if we are then. credit to the club, as it will be a very rare case of them clearing up a mess of their own making.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Ducie
Sounds like the sort of rubbish that Dalman would feed Abbondanto. I’m sorry, but I don’t believe for one second we are making profit on a years long loan compared to what we signed him permanently for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Ducie
profit would be if he moves there permanentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Even if we do make a profit, we really needed a striker last season. That's what they should have spent their money on. We might even have stayed up and not taken the hit in revenue!
Surely you see how spending over a million on a "side investment" for a club in our situation is ridiculous though, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk