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Girl in Union Jack dress.
Thought the ban on her was completely wrong, but, it’s so 2025 that the grifters have now started to come out of the woodwork to try to cash in on the situation.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/25...ght-fraudster/
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Re: Girl in Union Jack dress.
What happened to her and the publicity surrounding it, IMO will only push more youngsters into the grip of the grifter in chief Mr. Farage and with Two Tiers plans for 16 + being able to vote, I dont think he will get as many of them as he thinks. This is an own goal.
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the other bob wilson
The idiot from Swansea and his fat buddy are an embarrassment
As is fat boy marsh from barry who also jumps on any nonsense like this
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the other bob wilson
Lock 'er up!
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Re: Girl in Union Jack dress.
The “ban” on her was only wrong in the sense that the school took the bait rather than rising above. The father used her like a puppet for his own agenda. Who lets their 12 year old daughter appear at a Tommy Robinson rally?
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Re: Girl in Union Jack dress.
The story here is the girl who was sent home for wearing something that reflected her culture in her own country. It's completely wrong, the school handled it actually incredibly badly and it does point to a wider picture of a society that is increasingly fragmented and where people feel there are different rules for different groups. That's very dangerous
The National is a Scottish nationalist propaganda sheet. They will steer any story to be pro independence, anti Britain, even when it involves a young girl being unfairly sent home from school.
I agree that raising money for her is jumping on the bandwagon, but that's what happens now in these things. Raising money for "victims" in political cases happens all the time, rightly or wrongly.
No doubt if the girl was sent home for wearing a Saltire dress then The National would be the ones sharing the fund raising page.
It's a sad story for those involved, it shouldn't happen and that's it basically, IMO at least.
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JamesWales
The story here is the girl who was sent home for wearing something that reflected her culture in her own country. It's completely wrong, the school handled it actually incredibly badly and it does point to a wider picture of a society that is increasingly fragmented and where people feel there are different rules for different groups. That's very dangerous
The National is a Scottish nationalist propaganda sheet. They will steer any story to be pro independence, anti Britain, even when it involves a young girl being unfairly sent home from school.
I agree that raising money for her is jumping on the bandwagon, but that's what happens now in these things. Raising money for "victims" in political cases happens all the time, rightly or wrongly.
No doubt if the girl was sent home for wearing a Saltire dress then The National would be the ones sharing the fund raising page.
It's a sad story for those involved, it shouldn't happen and that's it basically, IMO at least.
The story is that the kids were encouraged to wear “traditional dress”. Now I don’t know about you, but I’ve never considered an even more OTT version of a geri haliwell dress to be traditional British dress. I’ve never seen anyone wearing one, and I’ve never seen evidence of our ancestors walking about in them. However, the school well and truly took the bait that was laid by this girls father.
IÂ’m not sure how to share but if you take a look at the video of her staged announcement of performing at Tommy Robinsons rally (itÂ’s on his x feed), you should see it for what it is. SheÂ’s her fatherÂ’s puppet and this sort of thing is as dangerous as any other radicalisation.
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superfeathers
The story is that the kids were encouraged to wear “traditional dress”. Now I don’t know about you, but I’ve never considered an even more OTT version of a geri haliwell dress to be traditional British dress. I’ve never seen anyone wearing one, and I’ve never seen evidence of our ancestors walking about in them. However, the school well and truly took the bait that was laid by this girls father.
IÂ’m not sure how to share but if you take a look at the video of her staged announcement of performing at Tommy Robinsons rally (itÂ’s on his x feed), you should see it for what it is. SheÂ’s her fatherÂ’s puppet and this sort of thing is as dangerous as any other radicalisation.
The story is that a girl was sent home for wearing a dress that represented her heritage and it shouldn't have happened.
Your response here is the kind of reason it happened and the kind of reason people are drawn to Tommy Robinson.
It was wrong, it shouldn't have happened, the school apologized. Stop making a political point of it. Learn from it!
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Re: Girl in Union Jack dress.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
The story is that a girl was sent home for wearing a dress that represented her heritage and it shouldn't have happened.
Your response here is the kind of reason it happened and the kind of reason people are drawn to Tommy Robinson.
It was wrong, it shouldn't have happened, the school apologized. Stop making a political point of it. Learn from it!
I donÂ’t think itÂ’s me making a political point from the little girl, James, but people choose to see things how they choose to see things.
IÂ’m not sure people are drawn towards Tommy Robinson because IÂ’ve said that the 12 year old is now performing by invite in front of a crowd of racists in September
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Re: Girl in Union Jack dress.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
The story here is the girl who was sent home for wearing something that reflected her culture in her own country. It's completely wrong, the school handled it actually incredibly badly and it does point to a wider picture of a society that is increasingly fragmented and where people feel there are different rules for different groups. That's very dangerous
The National is a Scottish nationalist propaganda sheet. They will steer any story to be pro independence, anti Britain, even when it involves a young girl being unfairly sent home from school.
I agree that raising money for her is jumping on the bandwagon, but that's what happens now in these things. Raising money for "victims" in political cases happens all the time, rightly or wrongly.
No doubt if the girl was sent home for wearing a Saltire dress then The National would be the ones sharing the fund raising page.
It's a sad story for those involved, it shouldn't happen and that's it basically, IMO at least.
And there goes James, gaslighting for Wales again.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
The story is that a girl was sent home for wearing a dress that represented her heritage and it shouldn't have happened.
Your response here is the kind of reason it happened and the kind of reason people are drawn to Tommy Robinson.
It was wrong, it shouldn't have happened, the school apologized. Stop making a political point of it. Learn from it!
This is neo nazis JW , it couldnt be any more political !
Google the background of the Welsh guy involved in the fund raising ....hes a fascist
As is his friend from Barry who most people remember from his cardiff city supporting days !
You are sunk if you think otherwise and on dodgy ground
Wind you neck in
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Neo nazis , those idiots from swansea are vermin
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
The story is that a girl was sent home for wearing a dress that represented her heritage and it shouldn't have happened.
Your response here is the kind of reason it happened and the kind of reason people are drawn to Tommy Robinson.
It was wrong, it shouldn't have happened, the school apologized. Stop making a political point of it. Learn from it!
This is neo nazis JW , it couldnt be any more political !
Google the background of the Welsh guy involved in the fund raising ....hes a fascist
As is his friend from Barry who most people remember from his cardiff city supporting days !
You are sunk if you think otherwise and on dodgy ground
Wind you neck in
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Neo-nazis, vermin, fascists, gaslighting, all the rest of it. Give me a break.
The school apologized. It shouldn't have happened.
Its so plainly obvious that it shouldn't have happened that I struggle to believe you can't see it. If you really can't see how policies like that, and the way they handled it will only create a far more divided society, and serve to push people right-wards then you really do need to think again, as that's all that will happen.
I do see why others such as Scottish nationalist newspapers, right-wing campaigners, left-wing campaigners and the like want to make more (or less) of it, but that's politics. Always happened.
It should not have happened.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Neo-nazis, vermin, fascists, gaslighting, all the rest of it. Give me a break.
The school apologized. It shouldn't have happened.
Its so plainly obvious that it shouldn't have happened that I struggle to believe you can't see it. If you really can't see how policies like that, and the way they handled it will only create a far more divided society, and serve to push people right-wards then you really do need to think again, as that's all that will happen.
I do see why others such as Scottish nationalist newspapers, right-wing campaigners, left-wing campaigners and the like want to make more (or less) of it, but that's politics. Always happened.
It should not have happened.
You are way out of your depth here , you have absolutely no idea about what's going on in your own back yard
The father of this girl is a far right activist who knows the idiots who set up the crowd funding
Its a fit up
The idiots who have set up the crowd funding are a pain in the arse to most swansea city fans and have been peddling this neo nazi nonsense for years , ably supported by patriotic alternative , run by an ex cardiff city loner from barry who spends his day making videos and leafletting neo nazi stuff
And eating pies
These people have as much interest in national costume as I do in 18th century classical music
They are racist agitators and by you stupidly falling for the stunt you are doing all the homework for these morons
Now sort yourself out ff sake
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Re: Girl in Union Jack dress.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
The story is that a girl was sent home for wearing a dress that represented her heritage and it shouldn't have happened.
Your response here is the kind of reason it happened and the kind of reason people are drawn to Tommy Robinson.
It was wrong, it shouldn't have happened, the school apologized. Stop making a political point of it. Learn from it!
https://hopenothate.org.uk/2024/04/3...n-south-wales/
These idiots and others are what's behind all this
And your yeah but no nonsense is defending their twisted workings
Sort yourself out its embarrassing
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Literally no one is coming to you for balance on this topic because on the subject of a girl being removed from school you start talking about the Nazis. Any topic...Nazis.
The school apologized to her. The PM has even commented She was removed from class and sent home for wearing a union flag dress.
People like you and your reaction to this are why people are attracted to people like Tommy Robinson.
Just admit, it shouldn't have happened. It never should have got close to happening.
If there's more to it then the school would not be profusely apologising.
The school in question:
“learning from this experience and ensuring that every student feels recognised and supported when expressing pride in their heritage”.
"We deeply regret the distress this has caused and offer our sincere and unreserved apologies. We have since spoken directly with the pupil and her family to listen to their concerns and reflect on how this could have been handled better. We are committed to learning from this experience and ensuring that every student feels recognised and supported when expressing pride in their heritage.”
https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ture-day-rugby
Sludge:
Nazis! Fascists! Nazis!
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JamesWales
Literally no one is coming to you for balance on this topic because on the subject of a girl being removed from school you start talking about the Nazis. Any topic...Nazis.
The school apologized to her. The PM has even commented She was removed from class and sent home for wearing a union flag dress.
People like you and your reaction to this are why people are attracted to people like Tommy Robinson.
Just admit, it shouldn't have happened. It never should have got close to happening.
If there's more to it then the school would not be profusely apologising.
The school in question:
“learning from this experience and ensuring that every student feels recognised and supported when expressing pride in their heritage”.
"We deeply regret the distress this has caused and offer our sincere and unreserved apologies. We have since spoken directly with the pupil and her family to listen to their concerns and reflect on how this could have been handled better. We are committed to learning from this experience and ensuring that every student feels recognised and supported when expressing pride in their heritage.”
https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ture-day-rugby
Sludge:
Nazis! Fascists! Nazis!
IÂ’d imagine the school apology is as staged as the faux outrage of the father. They were baited, took said bait and then presumably tried/failed to stop this becoming the story it has.
Do you think itÂ’s the normal reaction of a good parent, when their 12 year old child has been sent home from school for the way they were dressed, to sign them up to perform in front of thousands of racists in London?
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Literally no one is coming to you for balance on this topic because on the subject of a girl being removed from school you start talking about the Nazis. Any topic...Nazis.
The school apologized to her. The PM has even commented She was removed from class and sent home for wearing a union flag dress.
People like you and your reaction to this are why people are attracted to people like Tommy Robinson.
Just admit, it shouldn't have happened. It never should have got close to happening.
If there's more to it then the school would not be profusely apologising.
The school in question:
“learning from this experience and ensuring that every student feels recognised and supported when expressing pride in their heritage”.
"We deeply regret the distress this has caused and offer our sincere and unreserved apologies. We have since spoken directly with the pupil and her family to listen to their concerns and reflect on how this could have been handled better. We are committed to learning from this experience and ensuring that every student feels recognised and supported when expressing pride in their heritage.”
https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...ture-day-rugby
Sludge:
Nazis! Fascists! Nazis!
You really are an asshole at times
These people are neo nazis
And you are playing the fiddle for them
When it all kicks off locally with these vermin you will be sat at home
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superfeathers
IÂ’d imagine the school apology is as staged as the faux outrage of the father. They were baited, took said bait and then presumably tried/failed to stop this becoming the story it has.
Do you think itÂ’s the normal reaction of a good parent, when their 12 year old child has been sent home from school for the way they were dressed, to sign them up to perform in front of thousands of racists in London?
No. If that's happens. The father absolutely should not do that, even if it is because he things they are showing his daughter more supprot. But the bigger story, and the reasons thousands will be there (if true) is that it absolutely should NOT be any schools policy to be promoting some cultures over others and then sending kids away for representing their own culture. This isn't the 1970s now. In many schools white British kids are the minority so fairness is critical
We are a proud multicultural society. It's critical that things like that are pushed back against because it's such policies (and the inevitable reaction from Tommy Robinson etc) that are chipping away at any hope of cohesion. But you have to understand and acknowledge the original issue and the problem with that policy and action.
We should take the schools apology at face value
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JamesWales
No. If that's happens. The father absolutely should not do that, even if it is because he things they are showing his daughter more supprot. But the bigger story, and the reasons thousands will be there (if true) is that it absolutely should NOT be any schools policy to be promoting some cultures over others and then sending kids away for representing their own culture. This isn't the 1970s now. In many schools white British kids are the minority so fairness is critical
We are a proud multicultural society. It's critical that things like that are pushed back against because it's such policies (and the inevitable reaction from Tommy Robinson etc) that are chipping away at any hope of cohesion. But you have to understand and acknowledge the original issue and the problem with that policy and action.
We should take the schools apology at face value
It is happening, James. There’s a video on the patriot fathers twitter feed (take a look, it’s interesting reading on there). “Bigstueeee”. I don’t think he’s a stranger to the right, he’s not leaning over because shes “getting more support”. Her attendance is also confirmed on Tommy’s feed.
It’s odd that he himself says more rumours about him online come from his 21 year old daughters friends, but I’m sure that’s another story.
I absolutely get your point that every culture should be celebrated and if this was a case of someone being left out for trying to celebrate being British I’d get that.
It’s not. It’s a fabricated situation by someone who is grooming their daughter.
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superfeathers
It is happening, James. There’s a video on the patriot fathers twitter feed (take a look, it’s interesting reading on there). “Bigstueeee”. I don’t think he’s a stranger to the right, he’s not leaning over because shes “getting more support”. Her attendance is also confirmed on Tommy’s feed.
ItÂ’s odd that he himself says more rumours about him online come from his 21 year old daughters friends, but IÂ’m sure thatÂ’s another story.
I absolutely get your point that every culture should be celebrated and if this was a case of someone being left out for trying to celebrate being British IÂ’d get that.
ItÂ’s not. ItÂ’s a fabricated situation by someone who is grooming their daughter.
Of course it is
Poor kid is literally reading from an autocard there
Our politeness and our humour 😀.......yes the far right are well known for that ...." We want our country back ! " ....as they throw missiles at coppers protecting immigrant hotels .....smiling along as they break the law and frighten people
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
It is happening, James. There’s a video on the patriot fathers twitter feed (take a look, it’s interesting reading on there). “Bigstueeee”. I don’t think he’s a stranger to the right, he’s not leaning over because shes “getting more support”. Her attendance is also confirmed on Tommy’s feed.
It’s odd that he himself says more rumours about him online come from his 21 year old daughters friends, but I’m sure that’s another story.
I absolutely get your point that every culture should be celebrated and if this was a case of someone being left out for trying to celebrate being British I’d get that.
It’s not. It’s a fabricated situation by someone who is grooming their daughter.
I think we are probably closer to agreeing on what is and isn't right here than what initially seems. But the original sin here is the school. And it's happening across the UK and it's driving us apart.
Let's celebrate culture. Let's not put one above another and let's learn from each other. The school, following a twisted vision of inclusion that actually excludes has entirely created this situation. I don't greatly care about the dads politics. I do know, and care, that the more stuff like this happens the more people will turn to the right more than the left.
It's utterly unacceptable to put some cultures above others and to have sent this girl home. Thats it off me. The rest is an inevitable and in all honesty understandable consequence.
Im proudly Welsh and British. If this had happened to my daughter for wearing a union jack top I would be listening to those showing sympathy and to understanding and that isn't the likes of Sludge droning on about Gernan parties from the 1940s.
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JamesWales
I think we are probably closer to agreeing on what is and isn't right here than what initially seems. But the original sin here is the school. And it's happening across the UK and it's driving us apart.
Let's celebrate culture. Let's not put one above another and let's learn from each other. The school, following a twisted vision of inclusion that actually excludes has entirely created this situation. I don't greatly care about the dads politics. I do know, and care, that the more stuff like this happens the more people will turn to the right more than the left.
It's utterly unacceptable to put some cultures above others and to have sent this girl home. Thats it off me. The rest is an inevitable and in all honesty understandable consequence.
Im proudly Welsh and British. If this had happened to my daughter for wearing a union jack top I would be listening to those showing sympathy and to understanding and that isn't the likes of Sludge droning on about Gernan parties from the 1940s.
I disagree, I think we’re poles apart.
I don’t disagree that every culture should be celebrated included the British culture. You misguidedly think this is what the issue is here. But im glad to hear that your reaction would be different to that of the father in this story. I should imagine though that you wouldn’t have tried to frame a situation like this to play out in the national press for your kids in the first place either.
You want to ignore the evidence in front of you and still want to blame the school.
The father has created the situation. He’s grooming a 12 year old to his own views.
You say you don’t greatly care about the dad’s politics. I’m afraid that’s what the whole story centres around. Its no different to the radicalisation of young Muslims into hatred. My only hope is that she/ they are flagged to prevent, because this sort of thing doesn’t end well, regardless of colour.
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superfeathers
I disagree, I think we’re poles apart.
I don’t disagree that every culture should be celebrated included the British culture. You misguidedly think this is what the issue is here. But im glad to hear that your reaction would be different to that of the father in this story. I should imagine though that you wouldn’t have tried to frame a situation like this to play out in the national press for your kids in the first place either.
You want to ignore the evidence in front of you and still want to blame the school.
The father has created the situation. He’s grooming a 12 year old to his own views.
You say you don’t greatly care about the dad’s politics. I’m afraid that’s what the whole story centres around. Its no different to the radicalisation of young Muslims into hatred. My only hope is that she/ they are flagged to prevent, because this sort of thing doesn’t end well, regardless of colour.
I'm surprised we are poles apart.
If you honestly think there is anything normal about the treatment of this girl then that's up to you.
But like I said. Most parents will not be heading into your and Sludges camp on that.
They will firmly be criticising the expulsion of a child for expressing her culture. And to that you will say...ahh..it's her parents influence! But you would never say that in any other case, and that exposes your bias. It's wrong. It was wrong from the start, the school knows it and no one should have sympathy with the school.
Whatever her dad's politics, they are fueled by the original decision. Fanned by the kind of arguments you are making here tbh.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I'm surprised we are poles apart.
If you honestly think there is anything normal about the treatment of this girl then that's up to you.
But like I said. Most parents will not be heading into your and Sludges camp on that.
They will firmly be criticising the expulsion of a child for expressing her culture. And to that you will say...ahh..it's her parents influence! But you would never say that in any other case, and that exposes your bias. It's wrong. It was wrong from the start, the school knows it and no one should have sympathy with the school.
Whatever her dad's politics, they are fueled by the original decision. Fanned by the kind of arguments you are making here tbh.
I don’t think the treatment of the girl
Is right - the school should have done a collective eyeroll and avoided the drama. Realistically, this won’t have been the first attempt.
I agree with you that most parents will criticise the school in this story. I would say that a majority of reasonable parents “with context” of what’s going on here would change their minds.
I would absolutely look at the bigger picture in every other case. I consider myself left of centre, (I presume left is the “bias” you mean?), but I’m capable of seeing a story and looking at it objectively.
Her dad’s politics aren’t fueled by the original decision. That’s complete nonsense. His feed has the same vitriol prior to this story.
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superfeathers
I don’t think the treatment of the girl
Is right - the school should have done a collective eyeroll and avoided the drama. Realistically, this won’t have been the first attempt.
I agree with you that most parents will criticise the school in this story. I would say that a majority of reasonable parents “with context” of what’s going on here would change their minds.
I would absolutely look at the bigger picture in every other case. I consider myself left of centre, (I presume left is the “bias” you mean?), but I’m capable of seeing a story and looking at it objectively.
Her dad’s politics aren’t fueled by the original decision. That’s complete nonsense. His feed has the same vitriol prior to this story.
Well that's three out of four paragraphs we agree on so I don't consider that poles apart.
The bias comes in your scrutiny of someone's fathers opinions,which I suspect you rarely do normally. And also in placing more focus on speculation about that rather than the fact a child has plainly been discriminated against.
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JamesWales
Well that's three out of four paragraphs we agree on so I don't consider that poles apart.
The bias comes in your scrutiny of someone's fathers opinions,which I suspect you rarely do normally. And also in placing more focus on speculation about that rather than the fact a child has plainly been discriminated against.
The story doesn’t happen without the father.
Yes, I would typically consider the parents in the actions of a 12 year old.
I’m not placing any focus on speculation. I’ve given you clear evidence of the fathers lean towards the far right. Prior to this story.
There’s plenty of speculation about the father online, which makes me wonder why he doesn’t seem too close to his other children. I haven’t got involved in this. As you say, it’s speculation.
It’s sad to see that she will unfortunately be further indoctrinated, especially as she becomes a poster girl for Lennon in his September rally. A nice memory to look back on with her dad in years to come, for sure.
I would be very interested to see what outlets this was first sold to. I could take a guess, but it would be good to see who first reported it. The grifters that are connected just make it worse.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Well that's three out of four paragraphs we agree on so I don't consider that poles apart.
The bias comes in your scrutiny of someone's fathers opinions,which I suspect you rarely do normally. And also in placing more focus on speculation about that rather than the fact a child has plainly been discriminated against.
This is staggering , even by your pompous stupidity
This girls father is a committed racist who is in dialogue with other known racists
One has been shunned by swansea city fans , such is his extremism ......hes the guy who has ....just happened to stumble upon this incredible story .....and set up a crowd funding page
And they know Tommy Robinson
How's all that for a coincidence 🤔
Are you really as stupid as you are sounding ?
Surely not
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SLUDGE FACTORY
This is staggering , even by your pompous stupidity
This girls father is a committed racist who is in dialogue with other known racists
One has been shunned by swansea city fans , such is his extremism ......hes the guy who has ....just happened to stumble upon this incredible story .....and set up a crowd funding page
And they know Tommy Robinson
How's all that for a coincidence 🤔
Are you really as stupid as you are sounding ?
Surely not
I'm not as stupid as you are sounding, that's for sure.
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superfeathers
The “ban” on her was only wrong in the sense that the school took the bait rather than rising above. The father used her like a puppet for his own agenda. Who lets their 12 year old daughter appear at a Tommy Robinson rally?
From reading this thread I reckon JW 😄
Staggering
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superfeathers
The story doesn’t happen without the father.
Yes, I would typically consider the parents in the actions of a 12 year old.
I’m not placing any focus on speculation. I’ve given you clear evidence of the fathers lean towards the far right. Prior to this story.
There’s plenty of speculation about the father online, which makes me wonder why he doesn’t seem too close to his other children. I haven’t got involved in this. As you say, it’s speculation.
It’s sad to see that she will unfortunately be further indoctrinated, especially as she becomes a poster girl for Lennon in his September rally. A nice memory to look back on with her dad in years to come, for sure.
I would be very interested to see what outlets those was first sold to. I could take a guess, but it would be good to see who first reported it. The grifters that are connected just make it worse.
So now you are more interested in what media outlet reported the story first, what the dads views are (has he expressed any as bad as the schools policy of placing some cultures above others?) and some rally that has never happened?
Again, the focus here should be on the original story, condemning what made it happen and then your other concerns drift away as they don't have oxygen. All you are doing is fanning the flames of a fire you claim to dislike.
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JamesWales
So now you are more interested in what media outlet reported the story first, what the dads views are (has he expressed any as bad as the schools policy of placing some cultures above others?) and some rally that has never happened?
Again, the focus here should be on the original story, condemning what made it happen and then your other concerns drift away as they don't have oxygen. All you are doing is fanning the flames of a fire you claim to dislike.
You fecking idiot 😆
Hes clearly demonstrated what a bunch of racist chancers these idiots are and because you end up with egg on your face you think hes some lefty agitator 😆
You silly little ponce
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JamesWales
So now you are more interested in what media outlet reported the story first, what the dads views are (has he expressed any as bad as the schools policy of placing some cultures above others?) and some rally that has never happened?
Again, the focus here should be on the original story, condemning what made it happen and then your other concerns drift away as they don't have oxygen. All you are doing is fanning the flames of a fire you claim to dislike.
James, IÂ’ve said since the very start of this that IÂ’m more interested in what the dadÂ’s views are. Because itÂ’s him grooming his daughter with them. The rally is due to happen as you well know, in September. It will happen. I hope the turnout is low, I hope this girl doesnÂ’t attend, but it will happen.
You said in your previous post that you agreed with 3 out of 4 paragraphs that I wrote. Which one was it you disagreed with?
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James, IÂ’ve said since the very start of this that IÂ’m more interested in what the dadÂ’s views are. Because itÂ’s him grooming his daughter with them. The rally is due to happen as you well know, in September. It will happen. I hope the turnout is low, I hope this girl doesnÂ’t attend, but it will happen.
You said in your previous post that you agreed with 3 out of 4 paragraphs that I wrote. Which one was it you disagreed with?
I disagree with your last one. You don't present any evidence of it, or how it changes or is indeed relevant to the original story. We don't know the full story on that. If the school has discriminated against people before then that may partly explain whatever he may or may not feel. But again, we don't know the full story and I haven't seen a single thing he has supposedly said that is anywhere near as bad as what the school did.
Alas I am off to sleep now, but it's been good chatting 👍
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I disagree with your last one. You don't present any evidence of it, or how it changes or is indeed relevant to the original story. We don't know the full story on that. If the school has discriminated against people before then that may partly explain whatever he may or may not feel. But again, we don't know the full story and I haven't seen a single thing he has supposedly said that is anywhere near as bad as what the school did.
Alas I am off to sleep now, but it's been good chatting 👍
Thanks for confirming, we’re near the same page. So to repeat what you agree with:
I don’t think the treatment of the girl
Is right - the school should have done a collective eyeroll and avoided the drama. Realistically, this won’t have been the first attempt.
I agree with you that most parents will criticise the school in this story. I would say that a majority of reasonable parents “with context” of what’s going on here would change their minds.
I would absolutely look at the bigger picture in every other case. I consider myself left of centre, (I presume left is the “bias” you mean?), but I’m capable of seeing a story and looking at it objectively.
Her dad’s politics aren’t fueled by the original decision. That’s complete nonsense. His feed has the same vitriol prior to this story.
Ie
1)The school should have rolled their eyes and ignored the bait
2) most parents would understand this is a bullshit story
3) we agree I’m capable of looking at a story neutrally
4) this is where we disagree. I’ve provided you with evidence that the father is related to far right groups, prior to the event in school. I’ve provided evidence, provided by the the girl, her father and the extreme right (Robinson), that she will be attending a rally in September. She is very clearly being groomed. You don’t think that this is correct.
Night
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So now you are more interested in what media outlet reported the story first, what the dads views are (has he expressed any as bad as the schools policy of placing some cultures above others?) and some rally that has never happened?
Again, the focus here should be on the original story, condemning what made it happen and then your other concerns drift away as they don't have oxygen. All you are doing is fanning the flames of a fire you claim to dislike.
And the likes of that grifter Tommy Robinson isn’t?
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superfeathers
Thanks for confirming, weÂ’re near the same page. So to repeat what you agree with:
I donÂ’t think the treatment of the girl
Is right - the school should have done a collective eyeroll and avoided the drama. Realistically, this wonÂ’t have been the first attempt.
I agree with you that most parents will criticise the school in this story. I would say that a majority of reasonable parents “with context” of what’s going on here would change their minds.
I would absolutely look at the bigger picture in every other case. I consider myself left of centre, (I presume left is the “bias” you mean?), but I’m capable of seeing a story and looking at it objectively.
Her dadÂ’s politics arenÂ’t fueled by the original decision. ThatÂ’s complete nonsense. His feed has the same vitriol prior to this story.
Ie
1)The school should have rolled their eyes and ignored the bait
2) most parents would understand this is a bullshit story
3) we agree IÂ’m capable of looking at a story neutrally
4) this is where we disagree. IÂ’ve provided you with evidence that the father is related to far right groups, prior to the event in school. IÂ’ve provided evidence, provided by the the girl, her father and the extreme right (Robinson), that she will be attending a rally in September. She is very clearly being groomed. You donÂ’t think that this is correct.
Night
Her fathers views on " culture " were given to the little girl in her " speech " to be read out whilst wearing the dress
JW has fell for this like a kipper
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I'm surprised we are poles apart.
If you honestly think there is anything normal about the treatment of this girl then that's up to you.
But like I said. Most parents will not be heading into your and Sludges camp on that.
They will firmly be criticising the expulsion of a child for expressing her culture. And to that you will say...ahh..it's her parents influence! But you would never say that in any other case, and that exposes your bias. It's wrong. It was wrong from the start, the school knows it and no one should have sympathy with the school.
Whatever her dad's politics, they are fueled by the original decision. Fanned by the kind of arguments you are making here tbh.
She was expelled?
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And the likes of that grifter Tommy Robinson isn’t?
I am more than happy to say that the likes of Tommy Robinson, and the kind of policies in schools that divide people by culture are both part of the problem, and feed off each other yes.
What I also understand, which with respect many of you on the left don't seem to, is that I understand why some will turn to people like Tommy Robinson, when stories like this happen
