Harsh?

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30-07-25, 06:59
the other bob wilson

Harsh?

I want Tan gone from City, but I don't think he deserves to be put on a par with Chansiri or the man who is destroying Morecambe FC.

https://x.com/MatchDayFeverr/status/1950322093759090790

That Whittingham at Morecambe has form as he was in the group running Worcester Warriors RFC when they went bust three years ago and he you wonder how someone like him can still be considered as a fit and proper oerson to run a football club when you read this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/c860979gg64o
30-07-25, 08:35
MacAdder

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I want Tan gone from City, but I don't think he deserves to be put on a par with Chansiri or the man who is destroying Morecambe FC.

https://x.com/MatchDayFeverr/status/1950322093759090790

That Whittingham at Morecambe has form as he was in the group running Worcester Warriors RFC when they went bust three years ago and he you wonder how someone like him can still be considered as a fit and proper oerson to run a football club when you read this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/c860979gg64o

Without knowing too much about Tan's business history financially, that Whittingham sounds a right charlatan and whilst I agree with the sentiment that VT should not be allowed to run a club again, that would be because he seems to be not very good at it (at the moment!).

With so many people trying to get in on the owning a football club act, it is difficult to see into the future how a club's fortunes might pan out and whether someone is suitable.
This Whittingham bloke certainly ain't.
30-07-25, 08:58
Carl Dale's Mole

Re: Harsh?

I’ve always viewed Tan as more arrogant and incompetent instead of unfit or malicious.
30-07-25, 09:37
The Prophet of Doom

Re: Harsh?

I am, as is well documented mainly by myself(!), not a huge fan of Vincent Tan. BUT supporters need to be careful what they wish for...

The Wrexham story is one side of the coin, and it is a classic case of right place at the right time up in North Wales. There are umpteen other examples of new investors coming into football and having more than their fingers burned.

Vincent Tan has one huge thing in his favour - he is a very wealthy man and a successful business owner. Anybody taking over CCFC will have to have deep pockets...

Wrexham fans and the area are crying out for success, down here fans have been to two major cup finals, play off finals and have had two spells in the top flight. So apart from winning a trophy or staying up fans have seen it all in the past 18 years. Wrexham on the other hand were playing non league football....

Proceed with caution.... and be careful
30-07-25, 10:17
Underhill1980

Re: Harsh?

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Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole

I’ve always viewed Tan as more arrogant and incompetent instead of unfit or malicious.

This, his inability to listen to feedback and his stubbornness has been his downfall. Oh and his complete lack of self awareness or communication skills.
30-07-25, 12:29
NYCBlue

Re: Harsh?

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Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole

I’ve always viewed Tan as more arrogant and incompetent instead of unfit or malicious.

This. I'd also add vain to the list.
30-07-25, 13:04
WJ99mobile

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole

I’ve always viewed Tan as more arrogant and incompetent instead of unfit or malicious.

Absolutely.

He kept putting in money even when he messed up.
30-07-25, 15:09
Canton Kev

Re: Harsh?

Wednesday’s players have been told they won’t be paid their wages for July on time (4th time in 5 months) and are threatening to not play the opening fixture.

10,000+ seats at Hillsborough are condemned and unsafe for use.

Players, coaches and managers are leaving in droves.

We’ve never come anywhere close to that level of poor management under Tan
31-07-25, 10:57
Lord Worcester

Re: Harsh?

To this point, incredibly harsh. He is not even close to those 2. He is running our football club in a way that very few of us like, but to even bracket him with those 2 is faintly ridiculous imo.
31-07-25, 11:12
Dave Blue

Re: Harsh?

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Originally Posted by Lord Worcester

To this point, incredibly harsh. He is not even close to those 2. He is running our football club in a way that very few of us like, but to even bracket him with those 2 is faintly ridiculous imo.

You could argue that Tan is like he is because he was let down in various ways by former staff and didnÂ’t want a repeat. His main fault is still employing the people who have no knowledge of how to run a club. I dread to think where we would be if he had seen sense years ago and stop ploughing his money into a bottomless pit.
31-07-25, 11:22
Cardiff-Cal

Re: Harsh?

There are many sets of fans who would or would have swapped their owners for Tan in a heartbeat.

Much of it has been wasted but we have spent loads on wages and transfer fees over the years.

The stadium has been improved.

The training ground situation is being improved

The academy has been improved.

Two Premier League promotions..

This doesnÂ’t mean I donÂ’t want a change, but heÂ’s not the Satan like figure some fans will have you believe.
31-07-25, 11:26
B. Oddie

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole

I’ve always viewed Tan as more arrogant and incompetent instead of unfit or malicious.

Agreed.
31-07-25, 11:35
Charles Bukowski

Re: Harsh?

If there was a choice between Tan and Hammam, I would take Tan.
31-07-25, 11:41
Lord Worcester

Re: Harsh?

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Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski

If there was a choice between Tan and Hammam, I would take Tan.

As would I
31-07-25, 11:42
Underhill1980

Re: Harsh?

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Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

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This doesnÂ’t mean I donÂ’t want a change, but heÂ’s not the Satan like figure some fans will have you believe.

He is to those fans that feel that way. Not all fans will feel the same towards Tan. I personally will never forgive him for the rebrand and that’s what I’ll judge his tenure on.

Two disappointing forays to the Premier League won’t change my feelings on that.
31-07-25, 13:19
Cardiff-Cal

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Underhill1980

He is to those fans that feel that way. Not all fans will feel the same towards Tan. I personally will never forgive him for the rebrand and thatÂ’s what IÂ’ll judge his tenure on.

Two disappointing forays to the Premier League wonÂ’t change my feelings on that.

And what about all the other positives I stated?

The rebrand was a terrible mistake, made by someone from a completely different part of the world, that had no idea how much something like that would mean to football fans here, IÂ’m sure he regrets it now.

The important thing for me though was that he owned up to his mistakes and changed it back.
31-07-25, 13:25
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

And what about all the other positives I stated?

The rebrand was a terrible mistake, made by someone from a completely different part of the world, that had no idea how much something like that would mean to football fans here, IÂ’m sure he regrets it now.

The important thing for me though was that he owned up to his mistakes and changed it back.

It's pretty fundamental to running a business as to researching what entity you are purchasing, the number and nature of its existing customers and what those customers see as important. Disenfranchising your customers in the way he did is now cited in Intellectual Property circles as a very good example of extremely poor judgement in respect of branding/re-branding.
31-07-25, 13:58
bobh

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski

If there was a choice between Tan and Hammam, I would take Tan.

I dare you to post that on the other board!
:hehe:
31-07-25, 14:07
Rjk

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski

If there was a choice between Tan and Hammam, I would take Tan.

Yes absolutely
31-07-25, 14:58
Underhill1980

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

And what about all the other positives I stated?

The rebrand was a terrible mistake, made by someone from a completely different part of the world, that had no idea how much something like that would mean to football fans here, IÂ’m sure he regrets it now.

The important thing for me though was that he owned up to his mistakes and changed it back.

They’ll always be overshadowed by the rebrand for me.
31-07-25, 15:17
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Harsh?

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Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

There are many sets of fans who would or would have swapped their owners for Tan in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't go that far :hehe:
31-07-25, 15:18
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

There are many sets of fans who would or would have swapped their owners for Tan in a heartbeat.

Much of it has been wasted but we have spent loads on wages and transfer fees over the years.

The stadium has been improved.

The training ground situation is being improved

The academy has been improved.

Two Premier League promotions..

This doesnÂ’t mean I donÂ’t want a change, but heÂ’s not the Satan like figure some fans will have you believe.

We're a division lower than when he took over

Our crowds are the lowest they've been in 20 years

A decent number have washed their hands with the club

The training ground still isn't built and rumours are that relegation has paused it
31-07-25, 15:32
Cardiff-Cal

Re: Harsh?

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

I wouldn't go that far :hehe:

No?
I would.

Tan is incompetent and too vein or egotistical to let others help him make better decisions.

But many other clubs have had it much worse with owners, and have even lost their club entirely due to them.
31-07-25, 15:39
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

No?
I would.

Tan is incompetent and too vein or egotistical to let others help him make better decisions.

But many other clubs have had it much worse with owners, and have even lost their club entirely due to them.

They wouldn't take it in a heartbeat :hehe:

He's been a desperately poor owner and has sucked the life out of the club.
31-07-25, 16:28
Cardiff-Cal

Re: Harsh?

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

They wouldn't take it in a heartbeat :hehe:

He's been a desperately poor owner and has sucked the life out of the club.

I think they would, he’s a shit owner but there’s no chance of us going bust with him at the helm. Many sets of fans live with that worry or have lived through that nightmare.

Fair enough if you disagree though. Hopefully Tan is off soon anyway 🤞
31-07-25, 17:09
NinianKnight

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole

I’ve always viewed Tan as more arrogant and incompetent instead of unfit or malicious.

I agree. One thing he hasn't done is put his fingers in the till. He is arrogant and incompetent but he has picked up the tab for his useless nature. Sam Hamman was a worse owner and put the existance of the club at risk and took a salary to do so
31-07-25, 18:00
ToTaL ITK

Re: Harsh?

Tan has cash that's about it imo. Don't forget the red shirts.
31-07-25, 22:38
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

I think they would, he’s a shit owner but there’s no chance of us going bust with him at the helm. Many sets of fans live with that worry or have lived through that nightmare.

Fair enough if you disagree though. Hopefully Tan is off soon anyway 🤞

Tan is a slow death, that sucks the soul out of the club.

There is a very big chance of us going bust too, he's no spring chicken and his family have said they don't like football and don't know why he bothers.
01-08-25, 16:35
jon1959

Re: Harsh?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/ce3j27y92p8o

The English Football League is increasingly concerned about Sheffield Wednesday's financial situation and their ability to fulfil their Championship fixtures this season, the BBC has been told.

The Owls are in a deepening financial crisis under the ownership of Thai businessman Dejphon Chansiri, including late payments to HMRC, multiple failures to pay the wages of players and staff members, and rising debts.

This week the club have lost multiple first-team players who have exercised their right to exit their contracts, as well as parting ways with manager Danny Rohl and closing the North Stand of its Hillsborough stadium over safety concerns.

Their Championship season is due to kick off on 10 August, but the club has a first-team squad of only 14 players, with more set to depart.

The BBC has also learned that:

Some staff members have been struggling to pay their bills because of the late payment of salaries

Players are refusing to play, leading to the cancellation of a pre-season fixture against Burnley and a risk that the opening league fixture against Leicester City is called off

Players have been informed they will have to pay for their own hotel rooms if they wish to stay overnight before upcoming away matches

One player, speaking anonymously, told the BBC that players have been left in the dark by the club and have been given no information about what the future holds for them.

Wages were paid late in March, May and June, and earlier this week players were warned that July's payments were to be delayed too.

Once players receive late payment in two consecutive months, they are entitled to hand in their notice, effectively ending their contract immediately and rendering them free agents.

BBC Sport understands English full-back Max Lowe is the latest to exercise that option, with multiple others considering following suit.

The club website currently lists 16 senior players, but one of those is Lowe, and another is former captain Barry Bannan, whose contract expired earlier this summer and is expected to finalise a transfer elsewhere imminently.

Wednesday are also currently unable to pay transfer fees for players in the next three windows because of an embargo put in place over late payments of fees owed to other clubs.

The club and Chansiri were charged by the EFL for breaching its rules at the beginning of June over the non-payment of wages. Those cases have not yet been heard as written submissions are still being worked through.
02-08-25, 12:19
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Harsh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

The training ground situation is being improved

No, it’s on hold indefinitely now