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Well, so surprising…..the mythical black hole strikes again. Got to rinse the workers a bit more to cover that £15 billion needed to house them skilled foreigners we love letting in…
Another day another load of budget conjecture.
I think they are probably praying for some kind of multi billion pound rounding error that stops them having to do anything to income tax or NI.
The reality is when the Tories cut NI, they absolutely weren't acting responsibly and Labour could have just avoided this by running on a platform to raise it back to where it was, but that would have taken more balls.
There's 650 people in the HOC (minus those that don't sit) who know that triple lock a) can end and b) needs to end for the country to have any future at all, and none of them have the guts to say it.
British pensioners (not all of course} are generally not that well off compared to equivalent nations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Ultimately, that isn't really relevant but here goes..Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
They must have found the magic money tree OR maybe it's a combination of them a) having higher mandatory contributions into a ringfenced scheme b) higher average taxation for the average worker OR potentially they are just as ****ed as we are.
The UK pursued a system whereby the intent was for people to contribute to their own retirement via a private scheme and for the state pension to supplement that and now because people didn't, we are trying to shapeshift it into a system whereby the state pension provides a baseline/minimum retirement income. The generation we decided to run this dodgy experiment on? The same one who benefited from skyrocketing asset prices.
People absolutely have not and do not pay enough NI to deal with this and it will bring the whole system down. If triple lock is turned into something more reasonable in the next few years then it will survive as a defacto universal benefit (masking it's failings probably). If it isn't then it will end up being means tested, creating a massive sense of injustice and crucially lessening the incentive for people to save for their own retirement (and providing future governments with yet another lever to **** people over without them noticing).
You’re forgetting the billions we pay in foreign aid. If you looked at the breakdown of what we pay yearly, who we pay it to and why, it’s mind boggling! We are 2.8 trillion pounds in debt, but hey, that’s not much, let’s help everyone else, and also let’s let 1’000’s and 1,000’s of immigrants to enter the UK illegally and molly coddle them.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Be careful though. If you have the audacity to question any of this on here, you are instantly branded as a right wing racist!!
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Originally Posted by William Treseder
The country we help the most is Ukraine , by some distance
Yes.But as I said above, look at the total breakdown and give me your opinion on that if you can be bothered.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
If you know then tell us rather than pulling your hair outQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Objecting to foreign aid is obnoxious. The same people who donÂ’t like it donÂ’t like any public expenditure on helping ANY people out letÂ’s face it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Labour should have been up front before the election instead of putting themselves in a straight jacket. Taxes had to rise as the public services were on its knees. There was no need for the ming vase approach.
Who’s pulling their hair out? You look yourself. You have more time than me. I’m busy working to my taxes to the government you voted in to waste.
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
What a complete pile of horse poo you’ve just posted there. You and Sludgie boy are like programmed robots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Mind numbing !
If anything labour are likely to spend as much as they can out of necessity and to try and plug their sinking shipQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
The former is essential the latter is a waste of time now I think , unless they get rid of starmer and his bodyguards its curtains
I dont think Carol likes CCMB's favorite son :hehe:
PS i edited the hurty words
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Stop poncing aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
You fired off a loaded question so you must have some details
Now we know that we dont spend as high a proportion of foriegn aid as at least 9 other nations
But as for the ins and outs of a cats arse I will leave that up to you
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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Sludge isn’t Labour anymore, he’s deserted them as quick as a rat deserts a sinking ship. He’s into his tactical voting now, to keep the big bad wolf at bay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Stop being a pussy, if you feel so uncomfortable saying what you think because people might call you something then all it says is you aren't confident enough in what you think and why.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Obviously the immigration system has to change, no government can deliver anything on housing, NHS or anything else without a certain level of predictability but there have to be red lines you won't cross as a country.
The issue I have with the rights approach to immigration is
a)that they aren't confident enough in what they think and why so it inevitably moves away from pragmatism and towards dirty personal stuff around culture and motives (fighting age males etc.) trying to stoke tension and create fear.
and b) they are completely sold by simple answers to complex questions, to the point of being taken for a bunch of idiots time and time again by the same people.
The conversation has to start from the point of acceptance that most of these people are doing exactly what you would be doing if you had their lives, that doesn't have to mean they are all wonderful people and it doesn't have to mean you don't look to change the system/status quo when it isn't working for Britain.
But she can’t articulate why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Fck off Carol you Talentless ctttQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I had a curious google. For anyone who cares, the UK spends 0.5% of its gross national income on foreign aid, dropping to 0.3% by 2027 to cover an uplift in defence spending to 2.6%
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...ome-from-2027/
Stupid promise to make to begin with. Of course you're going to need to raise taxes, the only alternative is austerity.
Now granted, you can structure the taxes so it doesn't clamp down on the majority of people and only the affluent, but that's never how things have worked in practice, given the affluent can jury-rig the system to their liking.
It kind of is how things have worked if you split the country down the PAYE divide. Taxes aren't what is dragging down the median worker, its fixed costs i.e. housing mainly. We are in a very strange place right now - we have high fixed costs completely stifling the economy, a generation that has benefitted massively from asset (housing) increases alongside other things (better private pension provision etc.) who are significantly wealthier and more comfortable than the generation that came before them, and the country collectively shat its pants when the government tried to take away free money from them (the WFA).Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote
I think this is an interesting piece on UK taxes on the average worker in comparison to other countries.
https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/06/27/...-infographics/
The reason increasing taxes at the bottom/middle is a problem for the government is not that those taxes are high already, its that a lot of these people are a paycheck or two away from being ****ed - wages are pretty crap for the majority.
I already am because I don’t vote Labour so no matter….foreign aid is a weird one, I know we do have one of the biggest economies in the world I’m not sure how mind, but we need 1000’s of new doctors here for starters to sort the nhs out, 1000’s more police and our schools are falling apart, not to mention the huge amount of homeless people everywhere yet for some bizarre reason we have some historic duty to pour money into other countries? I think we are the ones who need to the foreign aid these days, not sure we are that ‘Great’ Britain anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
I see Rachel from accounts managed to forget to get a HMO license on her house she rents out for a paltry £3000 in London, now if I didn’t get a licence for the ones I rent out I think it’s a £20,000 fine and struck off…..just a wee oversight though like wrong un raynor did a few weeks ago. At least we can all use these great excuses now in the future, you wouldn’t think the ones actually creating these new nightmares laws would somehow forget about them mind….:hehe:
In 1970 the UK set a target of spending 0.7% of national income on aid. For the next 40 years we got nowhere near that. In 2015 the 0.7% target became law (not an aspiration) and it was met until Boris Johnson reduced it to 0.5% in 2021 during Covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
In February Starmer announced it would be reduced further - to 0.3% - from 2027, but in annual steps down. The difference between 0.5% and 0.3% is to go on arms (to tick a box with Trump) not on doctors, nurses, police, or getting the homeless into permanent homes.
In the past 2-3 year somewhere between 20% and 35% of the entire overseas aid budget has been spent in the UK on asylum seeker accommodation (hotels, barges, barracks....) and not gone abroad at all!
The biggest single recipient of UK aid is Ukraine!
https://www.context.news/socioeconom...s-the-money-go
I think she was talking about Sir Kier not you :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Cut foreign aid so we can look after our own citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Can poor kids get toast at schools? Also no.
I don’t really care what % of whatever it is, this country is in a mess and the things our tax is supposed to pay for are struggling badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Before you can afford philanthropic ways, you should really be sorted in your own house.
The faaaar left rejoice in spending other people's money especially when it's being laundered back to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
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Originally Posted by Heathblue
Its outrageous that Thatcher spent loads of other people's money on bribing the electorate by giving huge reductions for buying council houses
Shocking
Dreadful
So you dont want to help Ukraine and try and protect us from that tosser putin ?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Farages pal
No wonder you are voting reform
Putin's about 50 miles closer to us than he was 5 years ago. They have an economy smaller than Italy. Russia's probably the last Country we need to be worried about.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Bristol ?
Don't let facts get in the way of a good story Jon.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Development work always had a branding problem and got away with it for years, describing their work as 'aid' was always going to be latched upon by the disingenuous right. It is essentially strategic spending abroad, it was never much but it had a noticeable affect in places where we wanted a presence.
There are a lot of British people who don't see the world beyond their back garden.