Has anyone found anything in it for John and Jane Dough with 1.7 kids and who both work with medium incomes, an average mortgage, drink 5 pints a week, smoke 10 fags a day and pay TAX ?
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Has anyone found anything in it for John and Jane Dough with 1.7 kids and who both work with medium incomes, an average mortgage, drink 5 pints a week, smoke 10 fags a day and pay TAX ?
John and Jane would be better off packing in work They could blame it on stress and have a wealthier lifestyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
They should pack in work and have more kids, live the dream….Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I found it quite boring tbh, and budgets are one of the few things for which that isn't a grave insult.
Relatively speaking there wasn't much in it. This lack of changing the tax thresholds is starting to annoy me. A year or two is fine but keeping them as they are for the best part of a decade fundamentally changes what a high earner is. It's also an easy way to put more money in lower earners pockets.
Minimum wage going is was inevitable and good for those on it of course, but I do worry we are at a point where businesses will see cutting jobs as a means to cut costs.
Agree on a few things they did re. increasing taxes on internet deliveries, online gambling, Uber etc. Personally I would have a flat 1% tax on all internet purchases to encourage in person activities.
What else was there? The budget leak beforehand was ridiculous, but the OBRs fault it seems. Kemi Badenochs budget response was ferocious, perhaps too much so.
I don't agree with the limits to ISAs, as stock investments are risky. People shouldn't feel compelled towards them. But you can still put a grand a month in a normal ISA so I'm not that concerned about people who can afford to do that.
Mixed feelings on the two child benefit limit. I'm not convinced it's a golden ticket as Universal , credit and housing benefit are greater than child benefit. Can see why it pisses off tax payers who struggle to pay for things for their own kids too.
Markets barely moved. No bad thing. Some stability is welcome I guess, but at the same time, I can't see it changing much really.
Are their kids self-raising?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Touche!Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
I hope she doesn't have another bun in the overn
Plenty of the usual hidden stuff that most won’t notice for a while. Got to fund the mythical black hole for them to waste billions on vanity projects. Good idea to try and get the 1 million NEETS between 16-24 into doing something but you can’t just magic a course to make someone a plumber or carpenter for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
The lefty’s are all very quiet today:hehe:
A few takes on the reaction:
Racists like to say letÂ’s start with looking after our ownÂ…until you do and then they say you canÂ’t do that they are skivers and scroungers.
Business owners moan about taxes and costs but obviously want their own staff to work for nothing.
People with £1m houses bleat they are hard done by. Many are inherited but they whine that their ‘hard graft’ isn’t rewarded.
They all think an ambulance will arrive at their house on time financed by the tooth fairy.
Bla bla bla…….a budget with no plan at all, as ever. She will be gone by Christmas and I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole shambles of a party have gone by next summerQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
how would the entire labour party be gone by next summer?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Have you never even seen Deep Impact?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
It's home prideQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Don't expect an answer, they just want to sound VERY ANGRY.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Even if they had it all their way there's some on here who would sound VERY ANGRY just because it's a LABOUR budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
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Originally Posted by delmbox
You sounded the angriest on here by some distance old chap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
For the record though, there is a very slim change of Labour not being in government next summer and remarkably slim chance of the entire party being gone
Well, they’ve sacked off half the inept lying cabinet already haven’t they? Even the deputy….A few more go, jump ship or Starmer does like some on here allude to, then I’d say it’s fair game for another election…can the sh*tshow continue much longer?? Everyone is soooo angry :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Name 5 vanity projectsQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
It's not the lefty's that created the neet generationQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
There are over 150 billionaires in the UK today.
Scumbag Reform brexiteers the great patriots leaving the UK to avoid tax and protect their wealth.
Unless these issues are addressed and the huge wealth gap narrowed then things will never improve and get worse.
The wealthiest in Society need to pay far more.
It wont happen though.
Not when they are making the rules no chance….i wonder when the penny will drop on who exactly are buying up so many properties after new government legislation is forcing many to sell up….hmmmmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Seething!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
The politics of envy will not realise a bigger take take.
Calm down i'm a basic rate tax payer :biggrin:
BTW I agree that the wealth gap is obscene, IMO by taxing them even more, and as 1000;s are doing currently, they will just piss off and the tax take gets less resulting in a bleaker outlook.
"The politics of envy" is one of the silliest and least accurate right wing mottoes. It's up there with "skivers and strivers" as some of the most puerile of throwaway lines which promote unpleasant beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
You would have been much more on point using the description "politics of ethics" because that is the reality. Huge levels of inequality are very damaging and also unethical. Nature abhors a vacuum so you can be certain that when the rich elite flounce off into the sunset, their places will be occupied soon enough.
Envy has nothing to do with right or left , it's one of the seven deadly sins .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Us ing Covid as an excuse are they? Or did the Tories give them ptsd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Agree. Politics of envy. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Correct but it seems to have been commandeered by the right but their usage makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I despair with it all. Silly slogans for the sort of people who want to boast how rich, successful and wonderful they are. Status candy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
A bit of Envy for you, my lad on bass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
the band Magenta made an album called Seven, the seven songs being? obviously :hehe:
its my favorite album of theirs although it was before my lad joined them so he didn't play on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWxXsHdZ9FA
Noone could doubt your musical taste Heath 👍
Reeves accused of lying to justify tax raid
OBR publishes timeline showing Chancellor knew there was no fiscal black hole when she warned of income tax rise
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...tify-tax-raid/
https://web.archive.org/web/20251128...tify-tax-raid/
Oh what a surprise, Do you mean there was never a 25 billion pound black hole, I’m stunned, I really am.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
And she did this to justify tax hikes on the pretending to be angry people? Whilst giving it away to those that do nothing as is the socialist way? How can we brush this one under the carpet?:hehe:
“She hinted that she was dealing with challenging economic forecasts by saying everyone would have to do their bit to balance the books. It followed weeks of briefings that suggested the Treasury was facing a £30bn shortfall in the public finances.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
However, it has emerged that she was told by the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) that she had £4.2bn of fiscal headroom days before, on Oct 31 – meaning tax rises were not necessary at all to meet the Chancellor’s rules, which aim to balance the books and get debt falling by 2030.
Mrs Badenoch, the Conservative Party leader, said: “Yet more evidence, as if we needed it, that the Chancellor must be sacked. For months Reeves has lied to the public to justify record tax hikes to pay for more welfare.
‘Bribing MPs to save her own skin’
“Her Budget wasn’t about stability. It was about politics: bribing Labour MPs to save her own skin. Shameful.”
Sir Mel Stride, the shadow chancellor, said: “We now know the truth. Rachel Reeves spent the months leading up to the Budget claiming she would need to make difficult choices because of a downgrade in the economic forecasts that was not of her making. She even let it be known she was considering raising income tax rates.
“But as I pointed out in my letter to the OBR last week, Labour’s story did not add up. It was all a smokescreen. Labour knew all along that they did not need to raise taxes and break their promises.
“It was an active choice to do so, to fund a huge increase in welfare spending. The OBR have now made that very clear. It appears the country has been deliberately misled.”
Said she might not make Christmas, after this, I don’t think she will even be in a job when she cracks up the advent calendar….:hehe::wave:
The vanity projects will still continue mind until they get exposed…..are we still planting trees in Uganda?
Rachel from accounts will be in one of the green tee shirt mans advent calendar windows saying we're done when it is opened.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
The Tories take some beating, but this lot are surpassing all for lies and deceit…..can you imagine what the people that voted them in must be thinking, the ones that work and have a family that is….:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Some of them might be thinking, "gosh I wish I hadn't labelled anyone who didn't vote the same way as me as fascist, scum, etc etc.." but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Fundamental problems don't disappear when a government changes. What the hell did people expect?!
Personally I think Starmer runs a tighter ship in terms of discipline and admonishing MPs etc and he shows more contrition, but the fundamental issues in the country don't change, nor the ease of solving them.
I don't think Labour are failing per se. They just overpromised.
But they always over promise, lying about how much the country needs to balance the books is a whole other ball game and when this gets out properly and is analysed, which no doubt it will be, I think it will see them collapse…..Starmer has replaced half his cabinet already and no doubt now a few more will have to go AND these are the ones that need to be more transparent than those on the back benches….imagine what they get up to?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Running a tighter ship or showing more contrition than Boris ( by the time Sunak .much of his work was firefighting) is hardly a great endorsement though James.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
No, it's not. They get 5/10 from meQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
I admire your attempt to actually debate and reason with them, you will have noticed i don't, and treat them with the contempt they have for everyone and anyone who will not comply to their way of the world, their labelling has worn off and people are increasingly losing the care of the label and just telling them to F**K off, I do disagree with your take on Starmer, Starmer IMO via his orders from above is shitting all over the UK, he's continued the agenda from previous governments in removing the aspirations of the young to own a home and maybe have a couple of brats, thats unless they want to forget life and just work a couple of jobs, he's treating our pensioners in a manner that he hopes they die before receiving their triple locked pensions as if this is anywhere near enough to live on, i'm confident its not just pensioners who have sat cold in their homes this year worried about heating costs, wanting everyone to rely on the state he's rewarding those who chose not to work with a message of carry on shagging. Successive governments have committed circa 20 billion to a regime in that the right hand man has just stepped down with allegations of fraud who fkin knew? obviously the full time marcher never!! Government (ALL) is totally corrupt and IMO Ukraine is the head of the snake for the laundering and is why the EU/NATO is desperate for it to continue, The Green Tee Shirt Man is via quite a few reports now looking for a sympathetic country to flee to, he is slowly being thrown under the bus as the US peace initiative draws closer, IMO his days are numbered and i'd not be surprised to see him Saddamed in the not too distant future by his own people and not a foreign actor although either option is on the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
FWIW I desperately feel for the people of Ukraine having to suffer being used as a US proxy to weaken the Russians after their invasion, their young men and women sent to be slaughtered in a conflict that they could never win but continually egged on by cowards 1,000's of miles away with money and arms continually poured into the country for it to continue, whilst hopeful it will soon be resolved, i wouldn't be shocked with an escalation backed by the EU.
Jeffery Sachs has called the Green Tee Shirt Man for what he is in a recent broadcast and there isn't many more qualified than him to do so.
Sorry about the swerve above :biggrin: back on topic
Cyril and his one eyed army see this coming and is the reason for the increasing anger in their posts, like Russian collusion they continually doubled down on fake news provided by the MSM, we all get it wrong and some of us just say you got me this time :biggrin:
UKRAINE will be the key that unlocks the map
"Q"