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She was the first to implement the closing of the money losing industry and global warming stuff.
"Maggie closed our mines".
Facking good I say, who the fack wanted to work down those sh it holes?
Can you imagine if she kept em open? What with all the where there's a blame there's a claim culture?
Maggie had a roasting for something that is now , rightly, celebrated
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-59159018
Worst and crappest attempt of a bite ever.
The last roasting Thatcher had has seen her end up in an urn. Some did celebrate.
Brilliant how she had the foresight to replace them with long term employment in other fields and 40 years later the ex mining communities are thriving, hardly any unemployment, most people as fit as a fiddle, hardship eradicated & benefits hardly required. Brilliant long term planning.........Nah, she was a c*nt of the highest order, a horror & witch of a woman.
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Originally Posted by splott parker
She didn't care about people's health or futures it was Capitalism versus unions.
My mate found out where she was buried and actually pissed on her grave.
The Great One was indeed a visionary.
Bollocks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Feedback
Shutting the mines was all about revenge after the unions effetively brought down the Heath government.
She knew how Scargill would react to closures, so built up stocks then the closure program was "leaked" to provoke him.
Lots of people who were not socialists hated Thatcher and with good reason
It wasn't just the mines
She flogged off the council houses
Privatised the trains , gas , electricity etc
Fecked up social care completely .......vulnerable people are now looked after by people with very little workers rights , on low pay etc
Brought private sector nonsense into the NHS
Dreadful woman
why let facts get in the way of dogma and rhetoricQuote:
Originally Posted by bobh
1929 there were 250,000 working the mines
1979 there were 25,000 working the mines
the South Wales coal fields were losing 5,000 miners every year. Based on that run rate the mines were due to stop production in 1984.
What killed the mining industry was not Thatcher, but the Royal Navy's switch to diesel engines in the 1920s and 1930s.
The Valleys had little population before the Bute's exploited its natural resource. The entire Valleys community was build around extracting coal and once that stopped then given the topography there was little other industry that could take its place.
All miners were offered the chance to retrain, some did, others did not.
Why are we even having this debate today. We all know coal is a dirty polluter and who in their right mind thinks sending someone underground is a sensible way to live.
Political bollocks, nothing more.
more dogmatic nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
can't be arsed because you're blinded by hatred of anything right of Mao.
I was a mere twinkle in my father's eye when Thatcher was elected but I've come to view her as something necessary, who's time came, and went, to suit the country's needs at the time. Just like Churchill, Attlee, Blair and just as will be so for Johnson. That's not to say get policies didn't cause hardship for many, because they did.
Personally I neither admire nor hate her.
My understanding is there is good reason she was elected in 1979, and the country faced enormous problems at that time.
What's more, most, ' Thatcherite' changes were global structural shifts. Didn't all countries weaken union rights at this time? Didn't all western countries see industrialisation? Didnt all countries liberalise the economies? Didn't the EEC before the EU require it? They did, of all members.
Of course, how you do it is what counts, and the accusation is she left communities to rot. This happened across the UK though and yet it is our mining communities in South Wales that suffered the worst legacies.
Why is that? Geography? Governance?
We can't keep blaming a woman elected 42 years ago, that's a disservice to our kids IMO. Need to look to the future and I think the Valleys is a beautiful place, and those with good transport links can be powerhouses again. Those without can become more rural.
Jesus wept, Johnson and Blair are utter scum, as bad as that vile bitch Thatcher in my eyes. You need to wake up son, and get out into the real worldQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Who would you have rather been prime minister in those periods? How do you think they would have dealt with the challenges posed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
Just checked and I'm pleased to say I'm in the real world. :thumbup:
What nice mates you haveQuote:
Originally Posted by insider
Margaret Thatcher, the "Iron Lady" of British politics who died Monday at the age of 87, is being lionized as the woman who tilted British domestic and economic policy to the right.
Less noted is how seriously she viewed the threat of climate change and the robustness, more than 20 years ago, of climate science and United Nations body tasked with assessing state of that science.
In a 1990 speech at the second World Climate Conference, in Geneva, Thatcher compared the threat of global warming to the Gulf War, which was then just escalating following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
As in the usual style of LoM (in not making clear what and what are not his own personal contributions on here) the above was copied and pasted from https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...limate-change/ or another publication syndicated to use the same material)Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Of course it was , I have no opinion other to point out she made this speech way back in 1990 which is interesting when you consider its now 2021 , sorry to have upset you .Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...her-green-hero Here is a pretty balanced assessment of thatcher's green credentials. It is undeniable that towards the end of the 80s she did help to raise the profile of green issues. How much of that was her heartfelt belief and how much was just shrewd political opportunism we will never know.
Your right it's something we may never know due to the hatred folk have for her . I do think she was sincere in what she believed in albeit I didn't take to her very strong agenda and view , outside the UK she was quite revered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I wasn't upset. I just think it important for posters to make clear what are their own words and what is cut and pasted from elsewhere. You seem to be the only person on here who doesn't do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I expect she stopped free school milk to reduce the impact of dairy farming, introduced Right to Buy to make sure fewer houses that needed to be heated/lit etc were built, and declared war on Argentina to because the General Belgrano was terribly carbon inefficient.
You have some brass neck after your recent kickingQuote:
Originally Posted by Feedback
Your ego is the size of a fridge freezer , you just won't have it
I am surprised your wife hasn't had you shot
Poor woman
Hey ho 😘Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Very mature reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
i was only a kid but i can remember it like yesterday...good old maggie banging on about the environment eco etc etc...got boring in the end
I hated the women , and still do as she is of an age and political thought I find hard to defend or relate too, however my bitterness has wained and its on record she did make those ecological statements , she didn't of course bang on about them , however as a matter of record she did make them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK