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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
City123
Ahead of who? One of the players of the tournament in Chiesa? Insigne who's had a wonderful season with Napoli? Serie A winner Barella?
English teams and players are hugely overhyped. Foden's a good player but he doesn't "walk into" the best team at the tournament. Had England been on the other side of the draw they'd have been knocked out well before the final
I watched the start of one of those Match of the Day programmes where Alan Shearer and Micah Richards rank ten candidates with Gary Lineker having a casting vote if needed this morning. It was made before the tournament started and the subject was candidates to be Player of the competition. Foden was on the shortlist and maybe he might have lived up to such a billing if his shot had not rebounded back into play off the inside of a post after just five minutes of the opening match with Croatia, but it didn't and that seemed to sum up the next few weeks for him - with the comparisons with 1966 that the media are so fond off, I suppose it could be said that Foden was a little bit like Jimmy Greaves in 1966.
Despite all of the plaudits and the hype, I'm not wholly convinced by the much of the spine of the England team - Pickford doesn't seem as error prone playing for England as he is with Everton mind and Kane has added a new dimension to his game this season which I believe now makes him one of the best in the world in his position, but central defence and central midfield? I'm not sure.
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
As soon as England lost there would be questions on negative selection.
Foden walks into the Italian team. Doesnt even kick the ball in the final. England have better strikers who didnt even make the plane than Immobile and Belotti.
Grealish Sancho Saka etc all bit part players.
The Italians deserved the win , England have had a superb tournament and been edged out. We will never know what would have happened if say theyd played 1 DM and added another attacking player.
Foden was injured
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I watched the start of one of those Match of the Day programmes where Alan Shearer and Micah Richards rank ten candidates with Gary Lineker having a casting vote if needed this morning. It was made before the tournament started and the subject was candidates to be Player of the competition. Foden was on the shortlist and maybe he might have lived up to such a billing if his shot had not rebounded back into play off the inside of a post after just five minutes of the opening match with Croatia, but it didn't and that seemed to sum up the next few weeks for him - with the comparisons with 1966 that the media are so fond off, I suppose it could be said that Foden was a little bit like Jimmy Greaves in 1966.
Despite all of the plaudits and the hype, I'm not wholly convinced by the much of the spine of the England team - Pickford doesn't seem as error prone playing for England as he is with Everton mind and Kane has added a new dimension to his game this season which I believe now makes him one of the best in the world in his position, but central defence and central midfield? I'm not sure.
Maybe it’s better movement, but I find Ingurlish players, play better with their foreign teammates alongside them (club football)
This is and always will be their problem, fantastic players at club level, mediocre at international level.
Kane is a cheat
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
If they lose there will be carnage all over England tonight. A full day on the piss and more disappointment will be the catalyst for major disorder.
"Euro 2020: Warning over spikes in domestic abuse during England matches | The Independent" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...64404.html?amp
You'd think it was only after Wales rugby matches if you read this board, but England football fans as well...
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
and England rugby fans, and old firm football fans, and people who go to office Christmas parties.
the problem is related to alcohol rather than the event.
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
and England rugby fans, and old firm football fans, and people who go to office Christmas parties.
the problem is related to alcohol rather than the event.
Yes, that's what the article basically says.
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
and England rugby fans, and old firm football fans, and people who go to office Christmas parties.
the problem is related to alcohol rather than the event.
Black Friday anyone?
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
They've really shit the bed with this final, crap performance and quite rightly getting absolutely slated by all media today for the fans behaviour... :hehe: predictable twats.. Rio Ferdinand - never want to hear that guys opinions on anything ever again!
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
As soon as England lost there would be questions on negative selection.
Foden walks into the Italian team. Doesnt even kick the ball in the final. England have better strikers who didnt even make the plane than Immobile and Belotti.
Grealish Sancho Saka etc all bit part players.
The Italians deserved the win , England have had a superb tournament and been edged out. We will never know what would have happened if say theyd played 1 DM and added another attacking player.
England did not have a superb tournament
They had barely any travelling apart from one game which was against a team who were out on their feet after playing extra time in the last 16.
They had a final at home against a team who had some injuries to key players and had to beat Belguim and Soain to get there.
Apart from 20 minutes at the start of the match they were clearly the better team
Phil Foden does not walk into their team
He is a good player but really is over hyped
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
willo1927
England did not have a superb tournament
They had barely any travelling apart from one game which was against a team who were out on their feet after playing extra time in the last 16.
They had a final at home against a team who had some injuries to key players and had to beat Belguim and Soain to get there.
Apart from 20 minutes at the start of the match they were clearly the better team
Phil Foden does not walk into their team
He is a good player but really is over hyped
What's lack of traveling got to do with having a good tournament?
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Maybe it’s better movement, but I find Ingurlish players, play better with their foreign teammates alongside them (club football)
This is and always will be their problem, fantastic players at club level, mediocre at international level.
Kane is a cheat
They made the semis of the last World Cup and lost the final of the euros on penalties. They aren’t perfect but they are a lot better than mediocre.
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
They made the semis of the last World Cup and lost the final of the euros on penalties. They aren’t perfect but they are a lot better than mediocre.
It’s about opinions.
Once they came up against a top team, they lost.
They got there with an outrageous pelanty.
They drew against Scotland, without threatening a goal.
They were lucky against Croatia
They are not that good.
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
What's lack of traveling got to do with having a good tournament?
It means they had the easiest route of anytime in the tournament.
Less travelling time means more training and recovery time.
It's not hard to understand
It was more of a factor in this tournament as it was spread over so many countries
England only had to leave London once
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
willo1927
It means they had the easiest route of anytime in the tournament.
Less travelling time means more training and recovery time.
It's not hard to understand
It was more of a factor in this tournament as it was spread over so many countries
England only had to leave London once
Italy had a great tournament because they won it. How far did they travel?
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
It’s about opinions.
Once they came up against a top team, they lost.
They got there with an outrageous pelanty.
They drew against Scotland, without threatening a goal.
They were lucky against Croatia
They are not that good.
you can think about it in more than one way.
you could say they had their best European championships ever, only missing out on winning the whole thing by a couple of penalty kicks To a team who haven't lost in 34 games. with a very young squad that will only get better. they only conceded one goal in open play in the entire tournament.
in successive tournaments they've finished 4th, 3rd and now 2nd.
on the other hand they got to play almost all their matches at home, had no important injuries or suspensions to contend with. an extremely favourable draw in the competition, and they still didn't win anything. their manager is still to slow to react when another team are dominating the ball.
when the dust settles it should go down as a good tournament for them though.
some pundits are already talking about them dominating for the next 10 years though, which is extremely premature.
sure, they COULD - especially if the manager corrects his shortcomings (and retains his strengths). but they won't keep getting favourable draws, or avoiding injuries to key players, and the next world cup will be very hot which might not suit them.
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Italy had a great tournament because they won it. How far did they travel?
Really?
After the group games they played all the 4 knock out games outside Italy
They knockout Spain and Belgium
Ranked 6 and top in the rankings on neutral grounds.
England beat Germany ranked 12 at home
Only game away from home was against Ukraine ranked 24th
Italy beat England in the final in England
Is that enough reasons for you to see the difference between the good and average?
Anything else you need explaining I'm happy to oblige
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
It’s about opinions.
Once they came up against a top team, they lost.
They got there with an outrageous pelanty.
They drew against Scotland, without threatening a goal.
They were lucky against Croatia
They are not that good.
If England are mediocre, what does that make the 22 teams who didn't make the final?
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
lardy
If England are mediocre, what does that make the 22 teams who didn't make the final?
So the finalist in the fa Cup are the best teams?
If England had met France/Italy/Belgium in the last 16 that would have been as far as they went.
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
willo1927
So the finalist in the fa Cup are the best teams?
If England had met France/Italy/Belgium in the last 16 that would have been as far as they went.
No, 'mediocre' is the key word. England are clearly not mediocre.
I predicted that France would beat England in the last 16, but can you really say France 'would' have won? In hindsight, now we know that Switzerland knocked them out, I don't think so.
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
lardy
No, 'mediocre' is the key word. England are clearly not mediocre.
I predicted that France would beat England in the last 16, but can you really say France 'would' have won? In hindsight, now we know that Switzerland knocked them out, I don't think so.
France should have beaten the Swiss.
But being France they got lazy thinking it was all done at 3-1 then came unstuck.
If England played France tomorrow I know who I would put my money on.
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
willo1927
France should have beaten the Swiss.
But being France they got lazy thinking it was all done at 3-1 then came unstuck.
If England played France tomorrow I know who I would put my money on.
on the other hand, Italy were the best team in the tournament and needed penalties to beat England.
England could have beaten or lost to any of the other to sides
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
willo1927
France should have beaten the Swiss.
But being France they got lazy thinking it was all done at 3-1 then came unstuck.
If England played France tomorrow I know who I would put my money on.
None of that means England are mediocre.
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
on the other hand, Italy were the best team in the tournament and needed penalties to beat England.
England could have beaten or lost to any of the other to sides
Agreed Italy were worthy winners.
But apart from the early goal when England caught them cold do you think England looked like scoring?
Only one team was trying to win it in extra time and it wasn't England
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Re: FT: ENGLAND 1 - 1 ITALY. Italy win on pens
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Originally Posted by
lardy
None of that means England are mediocre.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=me...ile-gws-wiz-hp
I stand by what I said !
As pointed out above, only meaningful shot on goal, was in the 2nd minute.