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George Carlin religion
I’ve tried for years to find a way to best articulate my feelings towards religion. It’s something that was forced upon me for years and really did mess with my head. Ricky Gervais comes close but this man nails it in a very small space of time.
I hope one day to sit down and respectfully discuss my views, and I don’t mean any offence, although I do hold a lot of resentment towards religion in general.
Genuinely interested in hearing people’s respectful views on this video, and boss man Mike, If you feel this needs to be shunted to a side forum then please do so.
https://youtu.be/8r-e2NDSTuE
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Without going too deep into religion (Is that possible?) i would say that coming from a religious household (My mother) Although she wasn't hard line. Taught me respect and discipline. I interpreted it into a way that suited me and my own beliefs both socially and politically ( That is allowed, millions of people with faith do it) I essentially took the good things out of religion and used them to my advantage.
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Tuerto
Without going too deep into religion (Is that possible?) i would say that coming from a religious household (My mother) Although she wasn't hard line. Taught me respect and discipline. I interpreted it into a way that suited me and my own beliefs both socially and politically ( That is allowed, millions of people with faith do it) I essentially took the good things out of religion and used them to my advantage.
That’s a good point mate but respect and discipline can be taught without being told you’re going to burn in hell, or without any religious affiliation at all. My upbringing was much more hardline than yours, by the sounds of it, but I do get your point.
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UNDERHILL1927
That’s a good point mate but respect and discipline can be taught without being told you’re going to burn in hell, or without any religious affiliation at all. My upbringing was much more hardline than yours, by the sounds of it, but I do get your point.
I was never told about hell, I don't think that my mother believed it existed, she was of the opinion that God would not hurt people in such a way. More interpretation, which is common for the majority of people with faith, and something that those who hate religion can't quite understand, or choose not too.
You have my Sympathy for what you went through, that was terrible. My experience was positive.
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I find it hard to understand why anyone would follow any religion in the 21st century. I have friends who do and I totally respect their choice but it leaves me completely baffled.
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Tuerto
Without going too deep into religion (Is that possible?) i would say that coming from a religious household (My mother) Although she wasn't hard line. Taught me respect and discipline. I interpreted it into a way that suited me and my own beliefs both socially and politically ( That is allowed, millions of people with faith do it) I essentially took the good things out of religion and used them to my advantage.
My mother was the religious stalwart in our house as well. Looking back she personified the good things of the Catholic faith. She loved being a member of the Catholic mothers group, loved trips to Lourdes & Knock. A very calm woman, nothing seemed to faze her and she just got on with life, raising us and keeping house. She didn’t have much, my old man always tipped the wages up and we certainly didn’t go without but, in hindsight, was that to her detriment? I know it’s my Mam but if every religious person, and she was massively Catholic, lived their life like her the world wouldn’t be too bad a place.
One funny anecdote, towards the end of her life, St Alban’s church provided a mini bus to pick elderly parishioners up for Saturday night mass. When she passed away the other ‘bus goers’ retired her seat:hehe: Its been a few years now so I trust someone’s sat in it now.
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It’s been surprising for me, living into my 60s with zero interest in religion, then moving to Poland where Catholicism is so prevalent and sets the tone for daily life. Last week was a huge deal for Corpus Christi, the whole country shut down.
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splott parker
My mother was the religious stalwart in our house as well. Looking back she personified the good things of the Catholic faith. She loved being a member of the Catholic mothers group, loved trips to Lourdes & Knock. A very calm woman, nothing seemed to faze her and she just got on with life, raising us and keeping house. She didn’t have much, my old man always tipped the wages up and we certainly didn’t go without but, in hindsight, was that to her detriment? I know it’s my Mam but if every religious person, and she was massively Catholic, lived their life like her the world wouldn’t be too bad a place.
One funny anecdote, towards the end of her life, St Alban’s church provided a mini bus to pick elderly parishioners up for Saturday night mass. When she passed away the other ‘bus goers’ retired her seat:hehe: Its been a few years now so I trust someone’s sat in it now.
That sounds just like my Mother, although she was very politically active in terms of defending workers rights, the poor etc. She once occupied the benefits office with Kathleen from number 62 over a dispute over money, took in my friends and showed them love and compassion at difficult times etc. I'm sure that her faith played a part in that, even though the men at the top of her faith weren't so interested. Wonderful woman.
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Robin Friday's Ghost
I find it hard to understand why anyone would follow any religion in the 21st century. I have friends who do and I totally respect their choice but it leaves me completely baffled.
Indoctrinate children with belief systems and you have a good chance of keeping a fair number of them in the fold. It's called indoctrination, of course - and religions would peter out very quickly if we were all allowed to be free of such dogma until adulthood.
Religion is a fascinating subject but it's amazing how few believers are aware of the stories in their so-called 'holy books' were taken from even earlier religions. Tis folklore after all.
Oh, and few believers seem to be aware as to how their tomes were selected, edited and compiled - and who actually wrote them.
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My experience of religion was being sent 10 miles away to a Catholic school whilst all my other mates went to the local primary and secondary around the corner
And until at 13 when I told my old dear I wasn't interested and didn't believe in God being dragged to mass every Sunday morning which was a complete bore for a young kid more interested in fishing
It's clearly all complete nonsense invented by man to deal with the inevitability of death
Everyone wants eternal life , I want to have liz hurley feed me grapes and hoover but it's not going to happen .
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Tuerto
I was never told about hell, I don't think that my mother believed it existed, she was of the opinion that God would not hurt people in such a way. More interpretation, which is common for the majority of people with faith, and something that those who hate religion can't quite understand, or choose not too.
You have my Sympathy for what you went through, that was terrible. My experience was positive.
You're right. I don't understand how religion or the bible is up for interpretation. There's a doctrine and a book of stories and rules. If god is as described, why would a mere mortal think they had the right to believe some bits and not others? That's one of the biggest problems with religion. People pick and choose. And they flat out make shit up. There's nothing about abortion in the bible. But religious people are up in arms about it. Some of them literally break commandments over it. And yet no one wants to talk about Noah's Ark.
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NYCBlue
You're right. I don't understand how religion or the bible is up for interpretation. There's a doctrine and a book of stories and rules. If god is as described, why would a mere mortal think they had the right to believe some bits and not others? That's one of the biggest problems with religion. People pick and choose. And they flat out make shit up. There's nothing about abortion in the bible. But religious people are up in arms about it. Some of them literally break commandments over it. And yet no one wants to talk about Noah's Ark.
In my opinion, it's because faith means so many different things to so many different people. Education, social standing, being poor, rich, middle income, destitute, Mental health, social and political views etc can be and are a factor in how people interpret faith. I don't think that there is anything wrong with that, most people that i know who do have faith are quite liberal people. If i went to another part of the world that may be different, although i would've thought that there would be a whole host of reasons for that.
In my opinion, religious institutions are like most things that have way too much power, and it's the people at the top who need scrutinizing and criticism. The huge group of people below them (us) have no power, yet it seems to me that they take the brunt of criticism from people who are opposed to religion. for me, that doesn't sit too well :thumbup:
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Des Parrot
It’s been surprising for me, living into my 60s with zero interest in religion, then moving to Poland where Catholicism is so prevalent and sets the tone for daily life. Last week was a huge deal for Corpus Christi, the whole country shut down.
We were in Benidorm on Palm Sunday, the old town ground to a halt with the various ceremonies, a wonderful procession began at the church, very colourful with parishioners carrying palms as tall as fir trees:hehe:. A marvellous choir on the beach serenaded the sunbathers. We loved it.......meanwhile over the new town:yikes:
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Teach people that there is a pangalactic Big Cheese and some of them will happily subject their children to mutilation of the genitals.
Still, it's no skin off my nose...
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UNDERHILL1927
That’s a good point mate but respect and discipline can be taught without being told you’re going to burn in hell, or without any religious affiliation at all. My upbringing was much more hardline than yours, by the sounds of it, but I do get your point.
And now you burn in the crem, so at the end of the day it didn't really matter :biggrin:
PS I liked George's take on the Big Club (and you ain't it). I admire the way he could be funny and thought provoking in equal measures.
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Tuerto
In my opinion, religious institutions are like most things that have way too much power, and it's the people at the top who need scrutinizing and criticism. The huge group of people below them (us) have no power, yet it seems to me that they take the brunt of criticism from people who are opposed to religion. for me, that doesn't sit too well :thumbup:
Great paragraph. Spot on.
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Des Parrot
It’s been surprising for me, living into my 60s with zero interest in religion, then moving to Poland where Catholicism is so prevalent and sets the tone for daily life. Last week was a huge deal for Corpus Christi, the whole country shut down.
So a bit like Covid-19 then, maybe it should be reclassified as a religion? :biggrin:
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I prayed for Gareth to come, he didn’t. God’s will be done
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UNDERHILL1927
I prayed for Gareth to come, he didn’t. God’s will be done
Somebody in LA prayed harder!
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Wales-Bales
Somebody in LA prayed harder!
Looks that way, bastards.
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I believe in divinity but not a god. Religions are just human fabrications, sets of beliefs, stories and life tenets agreed upon by groups which can of course have lots of good take aways from as to how to live your life but fabrications nonetheless.
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gabbsthenewt
I believe in divinity but not a god.
Can you explain what that means?
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I think religion exists, and always will, to keep the poor in check.
Can you imagine the carnage if it was all exposed as bollox.
There would be rebellion all over the world, with folk wanting there share of the wealth in this life.
To me, it’s like an adult version of Father Christmas.
A wealthy businessman will have his legal team go over a new contract with a fine tooth comb before he signs it, but will then put all his faith in some ****er he’s never seen.
Bat shit crazy!
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William Treseder
Well I think that is the winning card
Fry sums it up perfectly
Why would God create a world so full of pain and suffering ? And the only way to get out of it is to pray to him ?
Give me liz hurley feeding me grapes in a dress , Sabbath on the sound system
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well I think that is the winning card
Fry sums it up perfectly
Why would God create a world so full of pain and suffering ? And the only way to get out of it is to pray to him ?
Give me liz hurley feeding me grapes in a dress , Sabbath on the sound system
What if Liz hates Sabbath and gave you an ultimatum: "It's me or Sabbath". Which would you choose?
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NYCBlue
What if Liz hates Sabbath and gave you an ultimatum: "It's me or Sabbath". Which would you choose?
Sabbath
She's going to go downhill at some point
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Sabbath
She's going to go downhill at some point
Do you expect to live forever? You've had enough Sabbath. It's time for some Hurley.
You chose unwisely.
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NYCBlue
Do you expect to live forever? You've had enough Sabbath. It's time for some Hurley.
You chose unwisely.
Do you remember Rosie Vela ?
New York Model , made a solo album 1985 ?
Got it on now
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Sabbath
She's going to go downhill at some point
Would you change your mind if it was Kate Humble?
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gabbsthenewt
Would you change your mind if it was Kate Humble?
She was great pre op
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well I think that is the winning card
Fry sums it up perfectly
Why would God create a world so full of pain and suffering ? And the only way to get out of it is to pray to him ?
Give me liz hurley feeding me grapes in a dress , Sabbath on the sound system
You 'speak' as if there were just one god and that the deity concerned was 'male' . There have been thousands through the history of mankind: male, female, animals, mythical creatures and a lot else.
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Taunton Blue Genie
You 'speak' as if there were just one god and that the deity concerned was 'male' . There have been thousands through the history of mankind: male, female, animals, mythical creatures and a lot else.
Yeah but when a conversation about....God......comes up on here or down the pub .......we generally accept its the Abraham god with the white beard that's being discussed
Are we speaking the same language ? 🤔
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gabbsthenewt
I believe in divinity but not a god.
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Baloo
Can you explain what that means?
It's a job to as I'm not certain myself! I don't believe in a supreme being, we are all as good as it gets and all as good as each other. There is a high degree of pure spontaneous chaos to life - it would be obviously wrong to hold it out as an absolute that if you do go in life, that success is guaranteed - too many people suffer in the world for that to be an absolute, yet however indeed there can be some correlation in "living right" (doing your level best in all, and not meaning to cause harm) - "doing the right things - and things going well for you. So divinity to me in some sense to use small example is when I take myself out on a 5 mile run I tend to see a lot of Robins up close - to me I tell myself that is a sort of divinity as they are my favourite bird and particularly personal me to a person no longer with us loved them too - I tell myself when I see them it's a result/reward of my getting my arse in gear and doing the right thing. So you may say, if I believe in a divinity how can I not believe in a god which put some kind of intelligent design to it all. Well, damn for a start I don't know for sure either way and frankly I don't sweat it (it also ends up monetarily a lot cheaper that way). I just get on with life - doing the right things as best as I can; however given i do believe there is something sort of divine, I believe it is not through a creator but through ourselves and through our energies - in a way we kind of cant fully comprehend or are not fully aware of .
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Yeah but when a conversation about....God......comes up on here or down the pub .......we generally accept its the Abraham god with the white beard that's being discussed
Are we speaking the same language ? 🤔
You don't want to be as parochial as your detractors :-)
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gabbsthenewt
It's a job to as I'm not certain myself! I don't believe in a supreme being, we are all as good as it gets and all as good as each other. There is a high degree of pure spontaneous chaos to life - it would be obviously wrong to hold it out as an absolute that if you do go in life, that success is guaranteed - too many people suffer in the world for that to be an absolute, yet however indeed there can be some correlation in "living right" (doing your level best in all, and not meaning to cause harm) - "doing the right things - and things going well for you. So divinity to me in some sense to use small example is when I take myself out on a 5 mile run I tend to see a lot of Robins up close - to me I tell myself that is a sort of divinity as they are my favourite bird and particularly personal me to a person no longer with us loved them too - I tell myself when I see them it's a result/reward of my getting my arse in gear and doing the right thing. So you may say, if I believe in a divinity how can I not believe in a god which put some kind of intelligent design to it all. Well, damn for a start I don't know for sure either way and frankly I don't sweat it (it also ends up monetarily a lot cheaper that way). I just get on with life - doing the right things as best as I can; however given i do believe there is something sort of divine, I believe it is not through a creator but through ourselves and through our energies - in a way we kind of cant fully comprehend or are not fully aware of .
That's all very romantic but it doesn't stop some dirty stinking cat pouncing on your Robin and chewing it to bits
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SLUDGE FACTORY
That's all very romantic but it doesn't stop some dirty stinking cat pouncing on your Robin and chewing it to bits
Tends to be on the taff trail so don't see many cats about so hasn't happened yet.
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gabbsthenewt
It's a job to as I'm not certain myself! I don't believe in a supreme being, we are all as good as it gets and all as good as each other. There is a high degree of pure spontaneous chaos to life - it would be obviously wrong to hold it out as an absolute that if you do go in life, that success is guaranteed - too many people suffer in the world for that to be an absolute, yet however indeed there can be some correlation in "living right" (doing your level best in all, and not meaning to cause harm) - "doing the right things - and things going well for you. So divinity to me in some sense to use small example is when I take myself out on a 5 mile run I tend to see a lot of Robins up close - to me I tell myself that is a sort of divinity as they are my favourite bird and particularly personal me to a person no longer with us loved them too - I tell myself when I see them it's a result/reward of my getting my arse in gear and doing the right thing. So you may say, if I believe in a divinity how can I not believe in a god which put some kind of intelligent design to it all. Well, damn for a start I don't know for sure either way and frankly I don't sweat it (it also ends up monetarily a lot cheaper that way). I just get on with life - doing the right things as best as I can; however given i do believe there is something sort of divine, I believe it is not through a creator but through ourselves and through our energies - in a way we kind of cant fully comprehend or are not fully aware of .
OK, thanks for trying to explain.
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gabbsthenewt
Tends to be on the taff trail so don't see many cats about so hasn't happened yet.
They are waiting
They are Satan
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SLUDGE FACTORY
They are waiting
They are Satan
No such thing imo