Now has the biggest capacity in London for league games.
https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/...adium-capacity
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/62441004
62,443 today , amazing support
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Now has the biggest capacity in London for league games.
https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/...adium-capacity
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/62441004
62,443 today , amazing support
And have sold a record number of season tickets. 55,000!
Quite something. My mum is from that part of the world and I remember going to a family party in the late 90s in the east end and driving around there and essex and seeing west ham shirts hanging on the lines everywhere.
The whole issue with their capacity is weird though. Why so many hoops to jump through!?
How long is this sustainable ?
United , Liverpool , have the day tripper support
And whilst West Ham have a good following they are no Spurs or Arsenal in my opinion
Not sure why you don’t think they’ll keep these crowds. We get ~4k walk ups on average with 14k season tickets. If it scales up evenly then their 55k ST would be ~15k walk ups. Considering they’re a much bigger club and have a much bigger catchment area plus the tourists in London I wouldn’t be surprised if it was higher.
As for the empty seats they’ve had restrictions on their capacity from the local government. The reason for the record crowd today was they were given permission to increase capacity by 2500.
I think that Liverpool and United have fans to replace any fan that wants to give up their season ticket
They are enormous worldwide clubs
Below them in British football are spurs , the arse , man City, Newcastle
West Ham are a well supported club but if they dropped down the league or just tread water like I think they probably will do I can't see them getting 60000 plus gates
That puts them above Newcastle in terms of support . I don't think they are that big personally .
Apparently they've got 20k-30k members which automatically puts you on the ST waiting list. Most people on the waiting list seem to wait several years before getting one.
We sold 14500 STs last season and are on around the same now after our worst season in 20 odd years. I can only see relegation being enough to take their crowds below 60,000.
Cannot stand West Ham. The sooner they go down to league 3 the better.
Glory seekers
I know plenty of so called Cardiff fans who pleaded for fa cup final tickets and have barely watched us since
The fact we were only getting gates of 13000 or so in the championship surely shows you that we simply don't have the support the bigger clubs have ?
We returned 1500 tickets to Middlesborough when we beat them to get to Wembley
Again that tells a story to anyone except the most one eyed of Cardiff fans
We got good gates in the Premier league but they don't stick around do they ?
Against Norwich we had a crowd of just under 20000 with 1500 or so Norwich
18500 home fans
Swansea City had around 16000 home fans on Saturday
Now people may not like this but part of our problem is embarrassing ourselves thinking we are a bigger club than we actually are . We are , given that Swansea is a much smaller populated area , a club of similar size . I can't stand the jacks but you don't hear them talking about getting big crowds .
When hammam was here he and his followers were talking about huge crowds of 60000 !
I can't believe people are still doing it , it really is embarrassing 😳
The only way that the millennium stadium would be full for a football match would be to get Liverpool or Man United to play there .
There are plenty of football fans around here but sadly most of them are not Cardiff fans .
I wish it wasn't true , I would love to see a successful Cardiff City , supported by the crowds you talk about but its never going to happen .
Sorry .
Our fans emerge out of the woodwork for the big games ......take the fa Cup, carling Cup etc ......then vanish
The history of Cardiff City crowds don't tell of these huge crowds , they show a region capable of getting good gates for big games but then a return to moderate support.
It's always been this way .
It's that way for most clubs at our level. The only clubs at our level who still get the best gates are the ones who have had sustained presence in the PL.
I'm getting a bit fed up of discussing crowds with you. Your knowledge of football crowds beyond the 90s clearly hasn't improved. There is no evidence of our crowds plummeting to 90s levels. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that if we were PL regulars, we would soon outgrow the CCS. This is the same for so many clubs, not just us. I can see it. The data proves it.
yet again sludge clueless on his favourite subject, Cardiff crowds and now also West Ham crowds
its been explained why West Hams crowds have been lower, council restrictions, they are a big club support wise, the Boleyn ground was great but they outgrew the capacity, the will easily sustain an average of 60000 all season,support for them in East London and Essex is massive
As for Cardiff Sludge just cannot grasp that we have NEVER had sustained success and that's what builds higher support base, getting to the prem and staying there would easily see us fill CCS on a weekly basic,
You are another deluded Cardiff City fan , the type the jacks take the piss out of on a regular basis
When we were in the lower leagues some of our fans , the likes of you clearly , would say oh wait till we get back into the championship , watch our crowds then ! , huge , sell outs , potential , sleeping giant and all that bollocks 😴
Our first crowd back v Bradford? , including 500 of them ......16421
17 years away from any sort of success .....we get some .......and that's the sort of crowd we get
Basically what Cardiff fans like you are saying is yes we can get big crowds .......but only if we are doing well
That's a pretty poor defence 😕
As for West Ham I don't think they will be getting 60000 gates for long
The data proves that considering we have a catchment area of about 1 million , with no other professional club to compete with , this club does not get crowds on a regular basis to justify us being mooted as a big club , even by championship standards
I know this hurts people , we would all love CCFC to be getting better support from the locals but it's always been the same
Even a successful Cardiff City doesn't seem to hold onto its support . People fight to get season tickets when we go up but after the inevitable relegation 15000 of them disappear . I almost feel that locally people are there to watch the big teams as much as they are to watch us .
Cardiff fans and some of our players believe their own hype .....big club , massive club etc
We are no bigger than Swansea , Plymouth , Bristol , Coventry etc
It's sad but it's true
West Ham were getting 34k average crowds at the Boleyn Ground. I seriously doubt there were 25k every week desperately trying to get what spare tickets were available for home games. They haven't had a fan base above that and were averaging around 22k in the early days of the PL.
I think there's just such an enormous catchment area withing Greater London [9 million], and a culture of staying within the area for any form of recreation - whereas we may head off to the coast/countryside - that to have the opportunity to watch PL football 20 odd times a season, even though you weren't really a WHU fan, is an attractive proposition. It's definitely a 'London' thing.
We lost 6.6k after our first relegation and 8.6k after our second. Both times that was around 25% of our fan base. Such drops in attendance are not unusual by any means. I'll happily repeat myself again and say that virtually the only clubs that have not suffered drops in attendance after relegation from the PL are those who have enjoyed a long history in the top division. There are sides who have enjoyed more top flight football than us over the last 50 years that have seen crowds drop by more than ours has.
Norwich probably keep a lot of theirs, they get battered every week in the Premier, we know how that feels and normally batter everyone in the Championship, so they probably enjoy it more?
Glad to see them not finding it easy so far this season, long may it continue!
Norwich's support was maintained even when they went down to League 1. Other sides like Leicester and Southampton saw their crowds drop.
From the mid 70s Norwich spent 20 out of 23 seasons in the top division. Their support didn't wobble in the 80s and 90s like most. I guess there isn't a lot else to do in that part of the world, that the football club is a huge part of the community.
Norwich 23rd in the attendance league , but they have been more successful than most
http://european-football-statistics....eague/norc.htm
City , with much less success 32nd
http://european-football-statistics....eague/carc.htm
West Ham are 10th in the all time attendance figures
http://european-football-statistics....league/whu.htm
They could easily manage 60,000 over a sustained period.
Not sure if this is of interest, but here's a table I've created showing league teams ranked by overall average attendance and a comparison with their overall league ranking. To save time I've taken the list of total attendances and divided by number of home games played, so one or two teams might be out by a position or two as my data doesn't include cup games. Not that it matters, this is just a comparison. For overall league ranking, I've taken an average of each teams' league position at the end of the season (adjusted per division, so currently bottom of the Championship would be 44th). This is how average attendance rank and average league position rank compare.
I've just listed the top 50. On the left is the attendance rank. On the right is the average position rank and the difference between them, calculated attendance rank minus position rank. The more negative that number, the better a club's average crowd has been given their league performance; the more positive a number, that club's crowds haven't matched their league positions.
1 Manchester United 4 (-3)
2 Arsenal FC 2 (0)
3 Liverpool FC 1 (2)
4 Tottenham Hotspur FC 5 (-1)
5 Chelsea FC 7 (-2)
6 Newcastle United FC 9 (-3)
7 Everton FC 3 (4)
8 Manchester City FC 8 (0)
9 Aston Villa FC 6 (3)
10 West Ham United FC 12 (-2)
11 Sunderland AFC 10 (1)
12 Leeds United FC 15 (-3)
13 Sheffield Wednesday FC 18 (-5)
14 Wolverhampton Wanderers FC 14 (0)
15 Birmingham City FC 23 (-8)
16 West Bromwich Albion FC 11 (5)
17 Middlesbrough FC 17 (0)
18 Leicester City FC 19 (-1)
19 Sheffield United FC 20 (-1)
20 Southampton FC 25 (-5)
21 Nottingham Forest FC 24 (-3)
22 Derby County FC 16 (6)
23 Ipswich Town FC 27 (-4)
24 Norwich City FC 36 (-12)
25 Bolton Wanderers FC 21 (4)
26 Stoke City FC 22 (4)
27 Portsmouth FC 31 (-4)
28 Coventry City FC 34 (-6)
29 Crystal Palace FC 38 (-9)
30 Blackburn Rovers FC 13 (17)
31 Fulham FC 30 (1)
32 Cardiff City FC 39 (-7)
33 Charlton Athletic FC 33 (0)
34 Burnley FC 26 (8)
35 Huddersfield Town AFC 32 (3)
36 Queens Park Rangers FC 37 (-1)
37 Preston North End FC 28 (9)
38 Bristol City FC 41 (-3)
39 Brighton & Hove Albion FC 52 (-13)
40 Millwall FC 47 (-7)
41 Hull City AFC 44 (-3)
42 Plymouth Argyle FC 53 (-11)
43 Watford FC 48 (-5)
44 Blackpool FC 35 (9)
45 Swansea City AFC 49 (-4)
46 Luton Town FC 40 (6)
47 Reading FC 54 (-7)
48 Bradford City AFC 56 (-8)
49 Bradford Park Avenue AFC 55 (-6)
50 Notts County FC 42 (8)
Hate to say it, but Sludge got a point when it comes to Cardiff and our support. Always been fickle and I don’t think in a million years we’d average 60K, even with sustained success.
If you look at our league history compared to other teams, you probably wouldn’t see another club with such peaks and troughs with its support. Up and down like a yo yo.
Our highest average is approximately 38,000 back in the 50’s. Football was in a post war boom then and even then we didn’t average over 40k in the old Division 1.
Counter point, top flight crowds on average have gotten much bigger since then. In the 50's the average Division 1 crowd was ~30k, over the past decade the Premier League average is ~38k. If our crowds rose by roughly the same amount then we'd be looking at 45k average crowds for a midtable PL team.
Boleyn ground capacity was 35,000 so basically sold out every week Same as Spurs at the old WHL don't see people saying they wont maintain their crowds over a season and considering most of their support (West Ham) is from Essex all they way to Southend/Colchester its definitely not a London thing