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Great to see the UK leading
Listening to the radio it seems Europe( even the super efficient Germany ) is lagging well behind in procurement and administering the vaccine, not sure if true we've vaccinated more than all of Europe and only lag behind a few others in the world.
Perhaps Europe's desire to go as one was a mistake in hindsight?
That early UK investment and preparation was well thought out and delivered.
My only disappointment is the slow progress in Wales , pharmacies are delivering in England, as we still trial them still , even churches and supermarkets are being readied and used in England.
Anyways well done the UK ( well some of it )
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Listening to the radio it seems Europe( even the super efficient Germany ) is lagging well behind in procurement and administering the vaccine, not sure if true we've vaccinated more than all of Europe and only lag behind a few others in the world.
Perhaps Europe's desire to go as one was a mistake in hindsight?
That early UK investment and preparation was well thought out and delivered.
My only disappointment is the slow progress in Wales , pharmacies are delivering in England, as we still trial them still , even churches and supermarkets are being readied and used in England.
Anyways well done the UK ( well some of it )
Congratulations. You manage to praise the Tories while having a go at the EU and Labour govt in Wales in one go. There's a surprise....
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Eric the Half a Bee
Congratulations. You manage to praise the Tories while having a go at the EU and Labour govt in Wales in one go. There's a surprise....
LOM surprises me, he has documented on here that he grew up in hardship and that it followed him into adulthood, yet he seems to champion every policy and political group that would've probably contributed towards his earlier difficulties. This isn't a pro labour post, because starker; isn't any good, he's already started to cosy up to the right and big boss financial funders.
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Listening to the radio it seems Europe( even the super efficient Germany ) is lagging well behind in procurement and administering the vaccine, not sure if true we've vaccinated more than all of Europe and only lag behind a few others in the world.
Perhaps Europe's desire to go as one was a mistake in hindsight?
That early UK investment and preparation was well thought out and delivered.
My only disappointment is the slow progress in Wales , pharmacies are delivering in England, as we still trial them still , even churches and supermarkets are being readied and used in England.
Anyways well done the UK ( well some of it )
You do make me laugh 😆
Boris is a cnut
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Congratulations. You manage to praise the Tories while having a go at the EU and Labour govt in Wales in one go. There's a surprise....
I wasn't expecting it , he's caught me off guard 😳
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Tuerto
LOM surprises me, he has documented on here that he grew up in hardship and that it followed him into adulthood, yet he seems to champion every policy and political group that would've probably contributed towards his earlier difficulties. This isn't a pro labour post, because starker; isn't any good, he's already started to cosy up to the right and big boss financial funders.
don't like starmer at all
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Just like they are leading the highest death rate and highest economic damage in Europe while have 20+ miles of sea in every direction, pathetic excuse for a government.
Also 9 months late to close the borders, wasn’t that what Brexit was all about? Useless
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SLUDGE FACTORY
don't like starmer at all
I'm still baffled why he was elected as leader. Commentators put the election loss down to Corbyn (obviously) and Labour's BREXIT policy yet the Party elected the man responsible for that policy. Doh!!!!
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Donald Trump was leading in the election when he went to bed.
If it's a race, shouldn't you wait until it's over?
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Re: Great to see the UK leading
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Listening to the radio it seems Europe( even the super efficient Germany ) is lagging well behind in procurement and administering the vaccine, not sure if true we've vaccinated more than all of Europe and only lag behind a few others in the world.
Perhaps Europe's desire to go as one was a mistake in hindsight?
That early UK investment and preparation was well thought out and delivered.
My only disappointment is the slow progress in Wales , pharmacies are delivering in England, as we still trial them still , even churches and supermarkets are being readied and used in England.
Anyways well done the UK ( well some of it )
Yep, no problem in praise when due. The government certainly gets a battering every other day, often warranted lately.
The slow and super steady approach from Drakeford isn't a surprise. Can do no wrong though Labour in Wales.
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Vindec
I'm still baffled why he was elected as leader. Commentators put the election loss down to Corbyn (obviously) and Labour's BREXIT policy yet the Party elected the man responsible for that policy. Doh!!!!
He's a bright bloke but he's no leader
Mind you I want the end of the labour party and a formation of a left of centre opposition as most people don't vote Conservative, a decent alternative without idiots like corbyn and his lot would sweep up , I mean Boris is a complete time bomb
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SLUDGE FACTORY
He's a bright bloke but he's no leader
Mind you I want the end of the labour party and a formation of a left of centre opposition as most people don't vote Conservative, a decent alternative without idiots like corbyn and his lot would sweep up , I mean Boris is a complete time bomb
There are a lot of decent women in the Labour Party that would make good leaders - Lisa Nandy, Rachel Reeves and Yvette Cooper to name three. There must have been better candidates than Starmer. I'm surprised you want the Liberals anywhere near the Labour Party given their coalition with the Tories but perhaps you are moving to the right.
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Vindec
There are a lot of decent women in the Labour Party that would make good leaders - Lisa Nandy, Rachel Reeves and Yvette Cooper to name three. There must have been better candidates than Starmer. I'm surprised you want the Liberals anywhere near the Labour Party given their coalition with the Tories but perhaps you are moving to the right.
No but I realise that this country will never elect a socialist government so I have to try and get as close to that as I can . I would never vote Liberal unless they were the only alternative to the tories . I think the Labour Party is done . Rachel Reeves would make a great leader of a left of centre opposition .
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Tuerto
LOM surprises me, he has documented on here that he grew up in hardship and that it followed him into adulthood, yet he seems to champion every policy and political group that would've probably contributed towards his earlier difficulties. This isn't a pro labour post, because starker; isn't any good, he's already started to cosy up to the right and big boss financial funders.
Some would say its false consciousness through cultural hegemony
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SLUDGE FACTORY
No but I realise that this country will never elect a socialist government so I have to try and get as close to that as I can . I would never vote Liberal unless they were the only alternative to the tories . I think the Labour Party is done . Rachel Reeves would make a great leader of a left of centre opposition .
Labour are finished. Controlled by a managerial class in million pound houses with too much to lose, the modern Labour Party will never bring about real change
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City123
Labour are finished. Controlled by a managerial class in million pound houses with too much to lose, the modern Labour Party will never bring about real change
Labour are not finished, nor will be, in Wales. The Party can make a mess of many things but will still be elected. Even nationally Labour will have a chance in 4 years time as the Tories will lose popularity as a result of COVID unless they get the vaccination programme right.
The 2008 financial crisis ruined Labour even though in hindsight they handled the crisis reasonably well. COVID may well turn out to be the Tories equivalent.
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Vindec
I'm still baffled why he was elected as leader. Commentators put the election loss down to Corbyn (obviously) and Labour's BREXIT policy yet the Party elected the man responsible for that policy. Doh!!!!
I think I'm right in saying he was elected leader and effectively Prime Minister with just 90000 votes. Doesn't seem right to me.
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Former Labour leader
I think I'm right in saying he was elected leader and effectively Prime Minister with just 90000 votes. Doesn't seem right to me.
It is equally baffling why the Tories voted Johnson as Leader, why the Labour Party voted for Corbyn (and now Starmer) and in the USA why the public voted for Trump. There is something odd going on in political parties as to why they vote for such unsuitable leaders.
As for the voting system I think if you look back in history more people voted for the Tories than Labour even when Labour won elections. It's the system.
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Interesting the Tories are keen to allow country by country comparisons on vaccines but not on COVID deaths...:sherlock:
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Vindec
It is equally baffling why the Tories voted Johnson as Leader, why the Labour Party voted for Corbyn (and now Starmer) and in the USA why the public voted for Trump. There is something odd going on in political parties as to why they vote for such unsuitable leaders.
As for the voting system I think if you look back in history more people voted for the Tories than Labour even when Labour won elections. It's the system.
I dont think that's happened very often. It's certainly going to be a hell of a lot harder for Labour to win with the new 600 seats.
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Vindec
Labour are not finished, nor will be, in Wales. The Party can make a mess of many things but will still be elected. Even nationally Labour will have a chance in 4 years time as the Tories will lose popularity as a result of COVID unless they get the vaccination programme right.
The 2008 financial crisis ruined Labour even though in hindsight they handled the crisis reasonably well. COVID may well turn out to be the Tories equivalent.
I just don't think it will, the Tories are still at 40% in spite of the constant feck ups, the boundaries have been redrawn cutting Wales' seats by 8 and would see the Tories gain 10 with Labour losing 9. The Conservative vote in the south of England & outside the cities is so strong its highly unlikely Labour will make any inroads. Labour's only realistic route into power is in coalition with the SNP which they know will trigger another referendum and likely secession. The Conservatives are backed by most of our media, any ideas that are even broadly left of centre are ridiculed and deemed as the "loony left", whilst scandals are just allowed to happen without any repercussions for the ruling party.
Added to this is that the Conservatives are an election winning machine. In all likelihood Johnson won't last until the next election when someone relatively "clean" comes in after being hyped up by the press and Starmer will be painted as a far left, authoritarian anti democracy judge part of a metropolitan London elite. I just can't see a Labour government in the near future
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Pedro de la Rosa
I dont think that's happened very often. It's certainly going to be a hell of a lot harder for Labour to win with the new 600 seats.
I beleive the have cancelled or at least posponed the reduction to 600, for the next election anyway. But the boundary commission will reducve labours chances of winning an election.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
don't like starmer at all
Probably too far to the right of Stalin for your tastes ?
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Another thread hijacked by the lefties to do a bit of Tory bashing. I thought that this was a football supporters forum and for the avoidance of doubt, anyone doesn't have to be a raving left wing socialist to follow City or enjoy football but anyone who remotely indicates they might not be of that persuasion is continually attacked.
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City123
Labour are finished. Controlled by a managerial class in million pound houses with too much to lose, the modern Labour Party will never bring about real change
Brilliantly put. Sludge is a right wing apologist if he's advocating a Centrist (right wing in most languages) Party in place of Labour.
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Tuerto
Brilliantly put. Sludge is a right wing apologist if he's advocating a Centrist (right wing in most languages) Party in place of Labour.
A socialist government which I want is never going to get elected in this country so we need to flush the labour and Liberal parties down the bogs and form a new centre left democratic alliance to keep the tories out
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Tuerto
Brilliantly put. Sludge is a right wing apologist if he's advocating a Centrist (right wing in most languages) Party in place of Labour.
he's right in that labour are finished , its 2021 more people vote against the tories than vote for them , we have to unite
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dml1954
Another thread hijacked by the lefties to do a bit of Tory bashing. I thought that this was a football supporters forum and for the avoidance of doubt, anyone doesn't have to be a raving left wing socialist to follow City or enjoy football but anyone who remotely indicates they might not be of that persuasion is continually attacked.
its always good to see a tory getting a kicking
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SLUDGE FACTORY
he's right in that labour are finished , its 2021 more people vote against the tories than vote for them , we have to unite
That's right but that's not the statistic that counts. More people voted Tory than Labour. The only way to change that is to change the voting system along the lines of the BREXIT referendum but even then the Tories would be the most likely Party to win. However, Labour supporters shouldn't give up on Labour just yet as the political landscape may well change in 4 years time especially if Johnson remains in post.
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Vindec
It is equally baffling why the Tories voted Johnson as Leader, why the Labour Party voted for Corbyn (and now Starmer) and in the USA why the public voted for Trump. There is something odd going on in political parties as to why they vote for such unsuitable leaders.
As for the voting system I think if you look back in history more people voted for the Tories than Labour even when Labour won elections. It's the system.
Just scrolled through Wikipedia to see if it's true, and it was the case in Feb 74 and 1929, but not for any others.
In 1951 labour got more of the vote but the Tories won.
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lardy
Just scrolled through Wikipedia to see if it's true, and it was the case in Feb 74 and 1929, but not for any others.
In 1951 labour got more of the vote but the Tories won.
You omitted 2005.
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Vindec
I'm still baffled why he was elected as leader. Commentators put the election loss down to Corbyn (obviously) and Labour's BREXIT policy yet the Party elected the man responsible for that policy. Doh!!!!
I think a big part is that he looks a bit like somebody who might be prime minister and has actually had a proper job, they made a lot of his career and fights for justice during the leadership election and will do so again once covid-19 subsides (crossing those fingers) and we approach the next election.
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Vindec
That's right but that's not the statistic that counts. More people voted Tory than Labour. The only way to change that is to change the voting system along the lines of the BREXIT referendum but even then the Tories would be the most likely Party to win. However, Labour supporters shouldn't give up on Labour just yet as the political landscape may well change in 4 years time especially if Johnson remains in post.
I'd like to see a non-tory coalition next election and a vote for some kind of electoral change, I don't think a Labour majority would lead to that. Sludge is right, Brexit aside, 2019 was the first election where I think the majority of people voting against something rather than for it, FPTP is responsible. I voted against electoral change the last time we were asked and regret it. People argue that under a different system you wouldn't have elected local representation but I would challenge that they don't really do much for the people that put them there, majority of MPs far more attached to HQ than their local communities now.
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As somebody who is still young'ish and therefore not particularly worried about the virus severely impacting me personally, I am pleased to see the rollout going well so that we can move forward.
Not convinced that LOM and others pitting Wales against England is a particularly successful tactic (unless you aren't aware of what has gone on in the south east and london over the past 6-8 weeks). For the first time during the pandemic, my parents who live just north of London are petrified tbh. Happy to concede that the variant has had an effect but when you saw the crowds who were traipsing into London every day to do their Christmas shopping in packed streets and shops with the full backing of number 10, I would suggest that the impact of the variant is being overplayed to cover up for absolutely terrible decision making during that period.
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Vindec
You omitted 2005.
Probably because Labour had just short of a million votes more than the Conservatives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_U...neral_election
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SLUDGE FACTORY
don't like starmer at all
Good hair though ( Lego Hair )
I'm waiting on a policy decision or alternative Covid plan, seeing Boris is such a disgrace .
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Tuerto
Brilliantly put. Sludge is a right wing apologist if he's advocating a Centrist (right wing in most languages) Party in place of Labour.
I hear the middle class are moving to Labour and the working class see the Tories as more in tune with their needs , which might explain the last election result .
The trouble for Labour is their Londoncentric inner City appearance , and I don't think Sir Kier moves that on .
Scotland is a huge issue for Labour if they need a coalition to beat the Tories and the SNP would want a referendum on independence as thats the only ribal policy they have , they sell on that and thier done .
Liberals might link up with Labour if they cull all the ex Corbynistas and move to a Blarite format.
Labour really did mess Scotland and the North up.
At least Wales will remain a socialist haven and utopia, as it has for the last 20 years ,yep we're in safe hands .
