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Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
As someone who has supported my club for over 60 years it goes against the grain to lay criticism at the door of a side that has gone on a tremendous run of form lately, yet our passing is so poor and almost universal, that I actually wonder if it is a bad as we're seeing it, or is MM telling our players - especially the back 3 - to just kick it anywhere so long as it goes upfield.
I can't imagine a scenario where passing to a colleague could be counter-productive, but then I'm not privy to the grand plan..
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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A Quiet Monkfish
As someone who has supported my club for over 60 years it goes against the grain to lay criticism at the door of a side that has gone on a tremendous run of form lately, yet our passing is so poor and almost universal, that I actually wonder if it is a bad as we're seeing it, or is MM telling our players - especially the back 3 - to just kick it anywhere so long as it goes upfield.
I can't imagine a scenario where passing to a colleague could be counter-productive, but then I'm not privy to the grand plan..
I'm sure Nelson and Flint are told either to find an easy pass or kick it long but Morrison seems to be trusted to play a bit more.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
It's probably a bit of both.
Our defenders aren't great at passing (or heading) the ball to a team mate so often end up making a clearance (our hoofball tag stems from this) and it doesn't appear there is any coaching of them to improve this aspect of the game; it's all about distance and height.
This inability to make a simple clearance to a team mate is often why we have so little of the ball and it so often comes straight back at us. Yesterday was a classic example of almost all clearances going straight to a Boro player and at times we were penned in despite the defenders having 5 targets ahead of them to aim for.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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A Quiet Monkfish
As someone who has supported my club for over 60 years it goes against the grain to lay criticism at the door of a side that has gone on a tremendous run of form lately, yet our passing is so poor and almost universal, that I actually wonder if it is a bad as we're seeing it, or is MM telling our players - especially the back 3 - to just kick it anywhere so long as it goes upfield.
I can't imagine a scenario where passing to a colleague could be counter-productive, but then I'm not privy to the grand plan..
That's exactly how I think, how can it possibly benefit any side to "pass" the ball like we did for most of yesterday's game - it's akin to telling your strikers to just smash the ball as hard as they can when they get a shooting chance!
The commentator on the feed I watched yesterday's match on said during the game that Neil Warnock had been saying that Johnny Howson is the best midfield player he's worked with as a manager. Now, Howson is a good player, who has spent all of his long career playing in the top two divisions with a fair bit of it in the Premier League, but when a manager who has taken charge of around 1.500 games with plenty of experience of taking charge of matches in the Premier League and Championship singles him out as the best he's worked with in his position, you really have to wonder what Warnock looks for in a central midfielder and I would suggest that the ability to pass the ball accurately to a team mate ranks fairly low on his list of priorities.
I honestly don't get the thinking at City when it comes to what I've always thought was a very important part of the game - Warnock said that he only signed Will Vaulks because Marlon Pack wasn't available and then when Pack became available, he barely gave Vaulks a look in - this suggests that he thinks Pack and Vaulks are similar type players, but are they really? I don't see it myself.
I've often found myself wondering the same as you - are our players told not to place too much emphasis on passing the ball accurately and just concentrate on knocking it into particular areas instead (not sure ten rows back into the stand running the length of the pitch would qualify as one of them, but, based on yesterday, perhaps it might!)?
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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the other bob wilson
The commentator on the feed I watched yesterday's match on said during the game that Neil Warnock had been saying that Johnny Howson is the best midfield player he's worked with as a manager.
Neil Warnock also said that Sol Bamba's a better defender than Virgil van Dijk.
Neil Warnock regularly talks about players, referees, supporters, etc, being either the best or the worst he's ever seen during his career, depending on where he is at that particular point in time.
Basically, Neil Warnock talks a lot. And talks a lot of shit.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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A Quiet Monkfish
As someone who has supported my club for over 60 years it goes against the grain to lay criticism at the door of a side that has gone on a tremendous run of form lately, yet our passing is so poor and almost universal, that I actually wonder if it is a bad as we're seeing it, or is MM telling our players - especially the back 3 - to just kick it anywhere so long as it goes upfield.
I can't imagine a scenario where passing to a colleague could be counter-productive, but then I'm not privy to the grand plan..
The thing is, you have been critical over quite a long period of time of the teams ability and standard of coaching. So therefore it is not a surprise to me that after an admittedly bad passing game like yesterday, you rather sarcastically raise the questions that you do in your post. This totally ignores the fact that for the previous 8 games under McCarthy the standard of our general play, including, pressing, passing and movement, has improved quite considerably and the end product has also improved greatly with 19 goals in the last 9 games and we are actually now second top scorers in the division. To pick on the team performance yesterday, in what was overall a poor game from both sides, is very unfair and to suggest that the manager would be instructing the players to deliberately pass to the opposition as a tactic, is ridiculous. McCarthy has to deal with the players at his disposal - Wilson is one of the best passers in the division, Hoilett, Vaulks, Ralls and NG are good on their day but the fact is that most of the remainder are not renowned for their passing ability overall and have other strengths such as tackling, heading and work rate. That doesn't make them bad players but to expect the manager to be suddenly able to turn them all into a passer like Bruno Fernandes or Lionel Messi is totally unrealistic.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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dml1954
The thing is, you have been critical over quite a long period of time of the teams ability and standard of coaching. So therefore it is not a surprise to me that after an admittedly bad passing game like yesterday, you rather sarcastically raise the questions that you do in your post. This totally ignores the fact that for the previous 8 games under McCarthy the standard of our general play, including, pressing, passing and movement, has improved quite considerably and the end product has also improved greatly with 19 goals in the last 9 games and we are actually now second top scorers in the division. To pick on the team performance yesterday, in what was overall a poor game from both sides, is very unfair and to suggest that the manager would be instructing the players to deliberately pass to the opposition as a tactic, is ridiculous. McCarthy has to deal with the players at his disposal - Wilson is one of the best passers in the division, Hoilett, Vaulks, Ralls and NG are good on their day but the fact is that most of the remainder are not renowned for their passing ability overall and have other strengths such as tackling, heading and work rate. That doesn't make them bad players but to expect the manager to be suddenly able to turn them all into a passer like Bruno Fernandes or Lionel Messi is totally unrealistic.
Pack is a much better passer of the ball than Vaulks.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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The Lone Gunman
Neil Warnock also said that Sol Bamba's a better defender than Virgil van Dijk.
Neil Warnock regularly talks about players, referees, supporters, etc, being either the best or the worst he's ever seen during his career, depending on where he is at that particular point in time.
Basically, Neil Warnock talks a lot. And talks a lot of shit.
That last line sums it up.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
There's no reason we can't pass more, it has to be with purpose but we should keep more of the ball. If we had done so for even slightly longer periods yesterday we may have snuck the win.
League 2 teams keep the ball better, my Sunday league team do at times. They are championship level players and are more than capable.
Sometimes they just get sucked into the lazy option, particularly when knackered which for me they definitely were yesterday.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
Remind me how many points we have gathered in February .
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
Passing has improved since MM took over, but given the intensity and significance of the games recently, you've cut to cut the team some slack, not least because of the number of points accrued in such a short period of time.
If however yesterday's performance becomes the norm, fans would be justified in questioning the tactics employed by the coaching staff and the player's ability to pass the ball and retain possession.
For now, let's enjoy the team's newly-found resolve and steely determination to keep picking up points, regardless how unattractive the style of football may appear at times.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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dml1954
The thing is, you have been critical over quite a long period of time of the teams ability and standard of coaching. So therefore it is not a surprise to me that after an admittedly bad passing game like yesterday, you rather sarcastically raise the questions that you do in your post. This totally ignores the fact that for the previous 8 games under McCarthy the standard of our general play, including, pressing, passing and movement, has improved quite considerably and the end product has also improved greatly with 19 goals in the last 9 games and we are actually now second top scorers in the division. To pick on the team performance yesterday, in what was overall a poor game from both sides, is very unfair and to suggest that the manager would be instructing the players to deliberately pass to the opposition as a tactic, is ridiculous. McCarthy has to deal with the players at his disposal - Wilson is one of the best passers in the division, Hoilett, Vaulks, Ralls and NG are good on their day but the fact is that most of the remainder are not renowned for their passing ability overall and have other strengths such as tackling, heading and work rate. That doesn't make them bad players but to expect the manager to be suddenly able to turn them all into a passer like Bruno Fernandes or Lionel Messi is totally unrealistic.
Passing is probably the most basic of all football requirements - to to be able to pass the ball to another player in your side. Without passing a game would just be the ball going back and fore between two sets of players. My post had an element of sarcasm, but it was serious - [I think TOBW understood]. To put it another way, if our back 3, plus Vaulks and Bacuna could find another City shirt once in a while would it improve the side ? It's probably a rhetorical question because I think most would say yes.
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Hilts
Pack is a much better passer of the ball than Vaulks.
That's open to debate, as is my comment that Pack struggles in possession. He's very slow and indecisive.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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dml1954
The thing is, you have been critical over quite a long period of time of the teams ability and standard of coaching. So therefore it is not a surprise to me that after an admittedly bad passing game like yesterday, you rather sarcastically raise the questions that you do in your post. This totally ignores the fact that for the previous 8 games under McCarthy the standard of our general play, including, pressing, passing and movement, has improved quite considerably and the end product has also improved greatly with 19 goals in the last 9 games and we are actually now second top scorers in the division. To pick on the team performance yesterday, in what was overall a poor game from both sides, is very unfair and to suggest that the manager would be instructing the players to deliberately pass to the opposition as a tactic, is ridiculous. McCarthy has to deal with the players at his disposal - Wilson is one of the best passers in the division, Hoilett, Vaulks, Ralls and NG are good on their day but the fact is that most of the remainder are not renowned for their passing ability overall and have other strengths such as tackling, heading and work rate. That doesn't make them bad players but to expect the manager to be suddenly able to turn them all into a passer like Bruno Fernandes or Lionel Messi is totally unrealistic.
You are the only person in this thread so far to have said this. You're right about it being ridiculous though.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
We have been a poor passing team for so long but I hope that as a natural progression MM will strive to improve this part of our game before too long.
So far, he has changed the set up of the team by playing a back 3 successfully. He has energised players that had been under-performing for the previous manager and before the game on Saturday had players pressing the opposition all over the pitch.
He's canny enough to know that aimless passing will ultimately undo all the good work he's done so far and I'd be more than surprised to learn that he considered ball retention and passing accuracy to be of no importance going forward.
If he is rewarded with an extended contract and given some funds to strengthen the team next season, let's hope ball playing midfielders feature high on his priority list.
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Newcastle spent 35m on a forward who can't score. So we can all sit and criticise the recruitment all we want (and i have done) but we've decreased average age and improved the floor of the squad. Sheff Utd were never going to stay up numerous years this time round.
The game is to incrementally improve. Add saleable assets to trade on. Improve floor and general quality of squad so when you do come back you don't rebuild whilst in PL but just try to add 2/3 1st 11 ready players. Ultimately we haven't been good enough in all areas....
Recruitment included in that. We likely needed to go with more 1st team ready hardened players but at risk of comitting long contracts to older players. Club is in much netter shape asset wise than it was when we arrived in PL.
https://twitter.com/Blades_analytic/...97776338960388
Thought it was interesting to add this to a thread raising lack of football ability while looking at a side who are coming down from premier league (Sheffield United) and what their fans are saying. We didn't spend as big as Newcastle but was there any way Warnock improved the floor and quality of the squad either with the premier league money or the parachute payments? Is that why we're seeing this particular tactic now? Arguably the type of player he was looking at was good but then really struggled to adjust his tactics to reflect the better quality we had.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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The Lone Gunman
Neil Warnock also said that Sol Bamba's a better defender than Virgil van Dijk.
Neil Warnock regularly talks about players, referees, supporters, etc, being either the best or the worst he's ever seen during his career, depending on where he is at that particular point in time.
Basically, Neil Warnock talks a lot. And talks a lot of shit.
Exactly and it's all for the greater good of Neil Warnock
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
Saturday’s game was a reality check: for all the great results we’ve had lately, this squad has a long way to go before it can be considered worthy of promotion and standing a cat in hell’s chance of passing muster in the Premier League.
Wales Online have an interesting article today, resurrecting the rumours of signing Jordan Rhodes, who it seems McCarthy would prefer over Glatzel.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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The Hooded Claw
Saturday’s game was a reality check: for all the great results we’ve had lately, this squad has a long way to go before it can be considered worthy of promotion and standing a cat in hell’s chance of passing muster in the Premier League.
Wales Online have an interesting article today, resurrecting the rumours of signing Jordan Rhodes, who it seems McCarthy would prefer over Glatzel.
To be fair to the team, they were running on empty after the Bournemouth game, so whilst I agree we have a way to go before we can be considered a team worthy of promotion, I don't for one minute think that the performance at Middlesbrough was a reality check.
Our game as we know is based on pressing the opposition and fighting for every ball. This is the Mick McCarthy way. It was inevitable that having worked so hard to improve our league position, there would come a time when we would hit a wall. But we still came away with a very useful point. Having plunged down the league before MM was appointed, anything we achieve this season is a bonus
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NYCBlue
You are the only person in this thread so far to have said this. You're right about it being ridiculous though.
Perhaps you should read the original post and heading. It clearly suggests this could be the case.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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dml1954
The thing is, you have been critical over quite a long period of time of the teams ability and standard of coaching. So therefore it is not a surprise to me that after an admittedly bad passing game like yesterday, you rather sarcastically raise the questions that you do in your post. This totally ignores the fact that for the previous 8 games under McCarthy the standard of our general play, including, pressing, passing and movement, has improved quite considerably and the end product has also improved greatly with 19 goals in the last 9 games and we are actually now second top scorers in the division. To pick on the team performance yesterday, in what was overall a poor game from both sides, is very unfair and to suggest that the manager would be instructing the players to deliberately pass to the opposition as a tactic, is ridiculous. McCarthy has to deal with the players at his disposal - Wilson is one of the best passers in the division, Hoilett, Vaulks, Ralls and NG are good on their day but the fact is that most of the remainder are not renowned for their passing ability overall and have other strengths such as tackling, heading and work rate. That doesn't make them bad players but to expect the manager to be suddenly able to turn them all into a passer like Bruno Fernandes or Lionel Messi is totally unrealistic.
There's a strange tendency on this messageboard to accuse anyone who wants us to pass the ball a little bit more of wanting us to play "tiki taka" or expecting world class play. None of us expect that, we'd just like a little bit more of the game on the floor and less head tennis
These are professional footballers paid thousands of pounds a week, they should be able to find a teammate
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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dml1954
Perhaps you should read the original post and heading. It clearly suggests this could be the case.
No, it does not. Specifically, it says "is MM telling our players - especially the back 3 - to just kick it anywhere so long as it goes upfield".
The heading is: "Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?"
There is no mention or suggestion of the players being told to deliberately pass to the opposition. You made that up.
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NYCBlue
No, it does not. Specifically, it says "is MM telling our players - especially the back 3 - to just kick it anywhere so long as it goes upfield".
The heading is: "Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?"
There is no mention or suggestion of the players being told to deliberately pass to the opposition. You made that up.
If I could interject. You are correct, I never implied that. Would MM prefer those 60 yard punts up the field go to another City player ? I can't think why not, so it's just confirmation that our back 3 especially are unable to play a long ball out of defence. Will Vaulks said you 'don't have to play the ball from the back', and he's right, but lately we don't seem to be able to even get to the point where we can get crosses into the box. Let's see what happens tonight.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
Be interesting to read the posts after the 9 game unbeaten run ends:hehe:
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splott parker
Be interesting to read the posts after the 9 game unbeaten run ends:hehe:
The same thing occured to me too, only let's take it a step further.
"Fans clamour for McCarthy's head as Cardiff's unbeaten 20 match run comes to an end".
If I jinx us for tonight I apologise in advance !
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A thank you to the poster known on here as Steve the Tea who posted this on my blog recently about the Middlesbrough game;-
"One staggering fact I unearthed was that in the first period we had just a 33% passing accuracy. In the second half it rose to 51% making a figure of 42% for the whole match. Middlesbrough’s passing accuracy during the game was approximately 50% better than our figure at 66%."
To put those figures in some sort of context, here's the Championship's passing stats for each team throughout the season;-
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/25...ship-2020-2021
What this shows is that Saturday was not typical of us - we may have some of the poorest figures in the division, but our 42 per cent against Middlesbrough would leave us a long way adrift at the bottom of the table if was our normal figure. So, I think it's fair to say our figures on Saturday were shockingly bad and I suppose the big question is could this be put down solely to tiredness? My view is that it can't,
Our position in the passing accuracy and completion tables tells us that it would be daft to expect there to be any real improvement in those figures for the rest of the season and I would say it excuses Mick McCarthy from too much criticism for them because there's little he can do about improving them for now - given the rapid turnover of games, there's not much he can do about it in training either. However, we really do need to make Middlesbrough a one off because I don't see how a top six challenge can be maintained if we see too much of such low figures in the future.
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
My biggest criticism of our team and mainly of our defenders is how easily they give the ball away.
Hopeful balls are played down the line. Whilst I understand that I don't necessarily like it except when it works.
When defending our penalty area under pressure the ball is too often played out to the opposing side.
But for me the worst situation is when the defenders with space and time try to pick a pass and it goes to the the opposition and the worst culprits are the Centre backs who will often play a ball from midway in our half forward to mid way in the opposing half, often to Moore who is running towards it to receive it. On many occasions the pass is mis directed and when it does go to feet there is little that can be done with it. The guys have got to be brave and savvy enough to move forward with the ball and to better execute the pass .
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Re: Is 'not passing to another team member' a tactic, or evidence of a lack of football ability ?
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the other bob wilson
A thank you to the poster known on here as Steve the Tea who posted this on my blog recently about the Middlesbrough game;-
"One staggering fact I unearthed was that in the first period we had just a 33% passing accuracy. In the second half it rose to 51% making a figure of 42% for the whole match. Middlesbrough’s passing accuracy during the game was approximately 50% better than our figure at 66%."
To put those figures in some sort of context, here's the Championship's passing stats for each team throughout the season;-
https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/25...ship-2020-2021
What this shows is that Saturday was not typical of us - we may have some of the poorest figures in the division, but our 42 per cent against Middlesbrough would leave us a long way adrift at the bottom of the table if was our normal figure. So, I think it's fair to say our figures on Saturday were shockingly bad and I suppose the big question is could this be put down solely to tiredness? My view is that it can't,
Our position in the passing accuracy and completion tables tells us that it would be daft to expect there to be any real improvement in those figures for the rest of the season and I would say it excuses Mick McCarthy from too much criticism for them because there's little he can do about improving them for now - given the rapid turnover of games, there's not much he can do about it in training either. However, we really do need to make Middlesbrough a one off because I don't see how a top six challenge can be maintained if we see too much of such low figures in the future.
I agree. Tiredness, fatigue, seems to have taken it's toll perhaps, but sitting watching the games on my laptop when Flint & Co thump a long ball out of defence, I wait in anticipation for the camera to catch up and see who's the recipient. Usually it's a patch of grass.
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It does beg the question, would you prefer a Dave Jones nearly-men team that plays thrilling football on occasions or a big, strong Stoke-esque side that lack the niceties but achieve relative success.
Of course the answer is somewhere in between but is that possible with this group of players ? Have they got the ability individually and/or collectively to adopt a fluent passing game ?
In the short term the answer to my last question is I suspect a resounding no. As for long term, well it's over to you Mick (probably !).
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Moodybluebird
It does beg the question, would you prefer a Dave Jones nearly-men team that plays thrilling football on occasions or a big, strong Stoke-esque side that lack the niceties but achieve relative success.
Of course the answer is somewhere in between but is that possible with this group of players ? Have they got the ability individually and/or collectively to adopt a fluent passing game ?
In the short term the answer to my last question is I suspect a resounding no. As for long term, well it's over to you Mick (probably !).
The Dave Jones' sides would probably have been the best equipped to improve upon in the PL, but as you say we flattered to deceive at times. Warnock's promotion side was probably the closest to getting the right balance, and but for a point or two would have stayed up..
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A Quiet Monkfish
The Dave Jones' sides would probably have been the best equipped to improve upon in the PL, but as you say we flattered to deceive at times. Warnock's promotion side was probably the closest to getting the right balance, and but for a point or two would have stayed up..
From what we've been told recently in different podcasts that side failed because of a lack of professionalism including a shocking attitude to pre-season training. We played relatively well each year which suggests we weren't the only side in Championship with lax attitudes but, assuming premier league was already more advanced, that edition of City would have been beaten badly if had managed promotion. Next time someone is interviewing Hudson or Purse they should ask why no one knocked some heads together until Bellamy arrived?
Warnock with a slightly more forward thinking coaching staff would probably have had the best bet - we conceded so many goals that year because he refused to adjust to the better quality of opposition.
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surge
From what we've been told recently in different podcasts that side failed because of a lack of professionalism including a shocking attitude to pre-season training. We played relatively well each year which suggests we weren't the only side in Championship with lax attitudes but, assuming premier league was already more advanced, that edition of City would have been beaten badly if had managed promotion. Next time someone is interviewing Hudson or Purse they should ask why no one knocked some heads together until Bellamy arrived?
Warnock with a slightly more forward thinking coaching staff would probably have had the best bet - we conceded so many goals that year because he refused to adjust to the better quality of opposition.
From what I've been told Dave Jones wasn't exactly 'hands on'. Except perhaps a five iron.
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One thing discussions like this brings to mind for me is how big a player was Aron Gunnarsson for us? I used to watch him in his latter days with us and think he wasn’t contributing that much, but it strikes me that we’ve never really replaced him.
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the other bob wilson
One thing discussions like this brings to mind for me is how big a player was Aron Gunnarsson for us? I used to watch him in his latter days with us and think he wasn’t contributing that much, but it strikes me that we’ve never really replaced him.
We've never replaced Gunnarsson. He was a fantastic player at this level who was under appreciated for much of his time here.
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City123
We've never replaced Gunnarsson. He was a fantastic player at this level who was under appreciated for much of his time here.
Much appreciated, as was his Mrs. :wave:
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City123
We've never replaced Gunnarsson. He was a fantastic player at this level who was under appreciated for much of his time here.
Agree with that.
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A Quiet Monkfish
If I could interject. You are correct, I never implied that. Would MM prefer those 60 yard punts up the field go to another City player ? I can't think why not, so it's just confirmation that our back 3 especially are unable to play a long ball out of defence. Will Vaulks said you 'don't have to play the ball from the back', and he's right, but lately we don't seem to be able to even get to the point where we can get crosses into the box. Let's see what happens tonight.
OK. So it seems there must have been some tactical element to it. Last night the difference was startling - I even recall Morrison and Flint running past Derby defenders way up the pitch ..
