Sheffield Wednesday's SHOCK net spend over 10 years compared to Cardiff City and Watford

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Absolutely, as there's bugger all football knowledge on the board, apart from the legend Tan, knower of everything.

Unfortunately I reckon they have no interest in spending extra money on a director of football, neither does Tan want someone with more say than him, possibly.

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Dalman acts as our Director of Football, with our Manager, Tan just rubber stamps and pays for deals he is persuaded are worthwhile! He has many other businesses to run including two other football clubs so does not get involved with the nitty gritty!
I think he should replace Dalman with a proven Director of Football?

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Originally Posted by Ianto13

Dalman acts as our Director of Football, with our Manager, Tan just rubber stamps and pays for deals he is persuaded are worthwhile! He has many other businesses to run including two other football clubs so does not get involved with the nitty gritty!
I think he should replace Dalman with a proven Director of Football?

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I heard a podcast talking about LAFC, which Tan used to have a stake in. They were pretty progresive with their setup and had drafted in analysists and DoF type roles from other American sports (which have a much longer pedigree at this type of thing) - and it seems to have paid off as they went from nowhere to being force in the MLS in a very short time.
You'd think that Tan would have been paying attention and want to copy that model.

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Originally Posted by Ianto13

That’s not what Dalman and the accounts say, Dalman said the other day that Warnock spent £100m in his 3 years, where do you get your figures from?

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The actual transfer fees of the players they signed.

Almost like signing older players with no sell on value and then paying up their contracts was a bad idea!

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Warnock spent around £40m, Mackay £45m and Solskjaer under £30m.

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Warnock spent more than £40m but nowhere near £100m on transfer fees.

Might be close to £100m if you include the Sala fee, all signing on fees and agents fees on Warnock's signings though.

Glatzel £5.5m
Flint £4m
Pack £750k
Tomlin £3m
Reid £10m
Murphy £10m
Whyte £2m
Cunningham £3m
Smithies £3m
Bacuna £3m
Madine £6
Bogle £1m
Vassell £2m
Vaulks £2m
Ward £1m+

That comes to around £56m (would be £70m+ if Sala fee was included).

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I heard a podcast talking about LAFC, which Tan used to have a stake in. They were pretty progresive with their setup and had drafted in analysists and DoF type roles from other American sports (which have a much longer pedigree at this type of thing) - and it seems to have paid off as they went from nowhere to being force in the MLS in a very short time.
You'd think that Tan would have been paying attention and want to copy that model.

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Tan had a minor stake in LAFC. He probably never paid them much mind. Even if he did, who's to say he would understand?

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Warnock spent more than £40m but nowhere near £100m on transfer fees.

Might be close to £100m if you include the Sala fee, all signing on fees and agents fees on Warnock's signings though.

Glatzel £5.5m
Flint £4m
Pack £750k
Tomlin £3m
Reid £10m
Murphy £10m
Whyte £2m
Cunningham £3m
Smithies £3m
Bacuna £3m
Madine £6
Bogle £1m
Vassell £2m
Vaulks £2m
Ward £1m+

That comes to around £56m (would be £70m+ if Sala fee was included).

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Camarasa and Arter probably didn't come cheap either. Maybe Dalman factored in wages.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Warnock spent more than £40m but nowhere near £100m on transfer fees.

Might be close to £100m if you include the Sala fee, all signing on fees and agents fees on Warnock's signings though.

Glatzel £5.5m
Flint £4m
Pack £750k
Tomlin £3m
Reid £10m
Murphy £10m
Whyte £2m
Cunningham £3m
Smithies £3m
Bacuna £3m
Madine £6
Bogle £1m
Vassell £2m
Vaulks £2m
Ward £1m+

That comes to around £56m (would be £70m+ if Sala fee was included).

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Of those Tomlin has been a good signing (but probably only since warnock left), Smithies undoubtedly(but we already had a good enough keeper), Vaulks maybe and Ward certainly was good value for that fee.
The rest aren't great signings

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Originally Posted by cityhammer

Its not a P&L statement its surely sales/purchases of players.

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Then the figures must be wrong, because there's no way we made a profit of £85M on player sales.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Then the figures must be wrong, because there's no way we made a profit of £85M on player sales.

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that isn't what it is saying

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Of those Tomlin has been a good signing (but probably only since warnock left), Smithies undoubtedly(but we already had a good enough keeper), Vaulks maybe and Ward certainly was good value for that fee.
The rest aren't great signings

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I'd add :
Pack at under a million is a decent buy.
Reid we got money back .
Cunningham may come good.
Bacuna price not that bad in todays market.
Murphy has huge talent but under performs
Ward as okay and we sold him for about the same as we bought him for .
Whyte will attract a fee.

Madine price was the worse by far

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Originally Posted by life on mars

I'd add :
Pack at under a million is a decent buy.
Reid we got money back .
Cunningham may come good.
Bacuna price not that bad in todays market.
Murphy has huge talent but under performs
Ward as okay and we sold him for about the same as we bought him for .
Whyte will attract a fee.

Madine price was the worse by far

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Cunningham we paid almost £4 million for which is a lot for a championship fullback. he's in his last year of his contract, is 30 in January and has played a total of 11 games for us.

if he's going to come good as a signing for us he's leaving it pretty late.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Cunningham we paid almost £4 million for which is a lot for a championship fullback. he's in his last year of his contract, is 30 in January and has played a total of 11 games for us.

if he's going to come good as a signing for us he's leaving it pretty late.

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Tagging on to your reply...

We signed Bacuna in the January transfer window whilst we were in the Premier League - fighting against relegation.. whilst Bacuna was underperforming for Reading every week in the Championship. £3m was about 6x over the odds of what he was worth at the time. Plus he was given a 4.5 year contract for God knows what reason. Awful signing.

We didn't sell Danny Ward for "about the same as we bought him for"... His contract ran out and he joined Huddersfield on a free transfer.

Pack wasn't a "decent buy for under a million" either. It doesn't matter if he cost us nothing, he hasn't put a consistent run of games together for us since he's been here. I can genuinely only remember the away game against Derby where I thought he looked like a good player.

We have to rely on Whyte's international form for any hope of getting money for him as he's not shown anything here that will attract others to pay good money for him.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

that isn't what it is saying

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OK, there's no way that we sold £85M more than we bought.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

OK, there's no way that we sold £85M more than we bought.

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You're right, there is no way.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

OK, there's no way that we sold £85M more than we bought.

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They've completely messed up. They've got + and - the wrong way round for net spend.

They've also put Derby in the wrong position... Typical Derby!

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Camarasa and Arter probably didn't come cheap either. Maybe Dalman factored in wages.

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Yes, no one is free! Free and loan signings cost signing on fees, agents fees and of course huge wages so costs will be £100m plus?

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Originally Posted by Ianto13

Yes, no one is free! Free and loan signings cost signing on fees, agents fees and of course huge wages so costs will be £100m plus?

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But that's not what the article was about. It was about net spend on transfer fees.