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UEFA- It has to be said
Money grabbing bar stewards, with corruption at the Heart.
Denmark forced to either play last night or play today at noon. The So-Called big Countries playing their games at home. Why friggin’ bother having a tournament, just have Germany, France,England and Spain and b ugger the rest.
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
Denmark forced to either play last night or play today at noon.
What options would you have offered?
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
What options would you have offered?
Certainly not those, I would have left any decision until the following day at least.
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Cleve van Leef
Certainly not those, I would have left any decision until the following day at least.
So no suggestions
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So what would you have done? The same as UEFA? I certainly wouldn’t have pressured the players in any way. I would have left until Monday then found a suitable date to finish the fixture.
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Cleve van Leef
I would have left until Monday then found a suitable date to finish the fixture.
Such as when?
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Moving a fixture more than 24 has implications for rest the tournament. Cant see what else they could have done.
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I expect all concerned wanted to get it out of the way and the crowd were still there. An horrendous thing to witness but no doubt as they heard news of his progress, it may have been a relief to get back out there who knows?
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The Lone Gunman
Such as when?
Next F uck ing Christmas. I don’t run UEFA,
. Don’t be such a ****ing arsehole.
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
Next F uck ing Christmas. I don’t run UEFA,
. Don’t be such a ****ing arsehole.
I am sure something could have been arranged , even if was a 10 pm kick under lights or 12 am midday Denmark and Finland are not playing every day ,today for example has very few games.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
What options would you have offered?
Abandoned as a 0-0 draw with both teams taking a point.
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Originally Posted by
Cleve van Leef
Next F uck ing Christmas. I don’t run UEFA,
. Don’t be such a ****ing arsehole.
So, in a nutshell, you're criticising UEFA for offering Denmark two options to get the game finished in unique and extremely difficult circumstances, but you don't actually have any alternative suggestions. And I'm the arsehole?
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
I am sure something could have been arranged , even if was a 10 pm kick under lights or 12 am midday Denmark and Finland are not playing every day ,today for example has very few games.
They were offered the chance to play it today.
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The Lone Gunman
So, in a nutshell, you're criticising UEFA for offering Denmark two options to get the game finished in unique and extremely difficult circumstances, but you don't actually have any alternative suggestions. And I'm the arsehole?
The point is, which you clearly miss, is that it was distasteful in the extreme to force the teams to make a decision within an hour or so of the incident. Waiting til today and discussing the options would have been a better idea.
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No way should those players who witnessed that traumatic incident have been made to play that game so quickly . Utter disgrace .
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SLUDGE FACTORY
No way should those players who witnessed that traumatic incident have been made to play that game so quickly . Utter disgrace .
They weren't. They chose to once they knew Ericson was awake and talking in hospital.
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The Bloop
They weren't. They chose to once they knew Ericson was awake and talking in hospital.
They didn't really have much of a choice , Russian Roulette springs to mind
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cityhammer
The point is, which you clearly miss, is that it was distasteful in the extreme to force the teams to make a decision within an hour or so of the incident. Waiting til today and discussing the options would have been a better idea.
its like saying here is a car but its got no brakes
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The Lone Gunman
They were offered the chance to play it today.
hardly time to get over the trauma of one of their team mates nearly dying in front of them
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cityhammer
The point is, which you clearly miss, is that it was distasteful in the extreme to force the teams to make a decision within an hour or so of the incident. Waiting til today and discussing the options would have been a better idea.
I'm not missing anything at all. I was merely questioning what somebody who is criticising UEFA over their handling of this incident would have done if he was in their place.
He apparently believes Monday would have been a suitable day to make a decision. You reckon today would have been better. So when could the game itself have been played, I wonder?
I don't know about you, but I've got a suspicion that rescheduling a game of this nature at very short notice may not be altogether straightforward given the circumstances in the world at present.
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The Lone Gunman
I'm not missing anything at all. I was merely questioning what somebody who is criticising UEFA over their handling of this incident would have done if he was in their place.
He apparently believes Monday would have been a suitable day to make a decision. You reckon today would have been better. So when could the game itself have been played, I wonder?
I don't know about you, but I've got a suspicion that rescheduling a game of this nature at very short notice may not be altogether straightforward given the circumstances in the world at present.
Well they managed to have a meaningless summit in Cornwall where they all agreed to be nicer to the planet so anythings possible I suppose
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I didn’t see the incident last night so can’t comment on the specifics but I am surprised at the reaction.
I’ve been involved in motorcycle racing for 60 years, in that time 201 riders have been killed on the Isle of Man, 22 of whom have been friends or very close friends. If I add in other UK & Irish tracks the number probably reaches 30 friends. I’ve seen horrendous & fatal accidents.
15 or 30 minutes later everyone is back racing.
I guess people are going to say it’s a shite comparison but for me it is the measure by which I can’t understand the fuss about this incident.
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Des Parrot
I didn’t see the incident last night so can’t comment on the specifics but I am surprised at the reaction.
I’ve been involved in motorcycle racing for 60 years, in that time 201 riders have been killed on the Isle of Man, 22 of whom have been friends or very close friends. If I add in other UK & Irish tracks the number probably reaches 30 friends. I’ve seen horrendous & fatal accidents.
15 or 30 minutes later everyone is back racing.
I guess people are going to say it’s a shite comparison but for me it is the measure by which I can’t understand the fuss about this incident.
Weird take
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Originally Posted by
Des Parrot
I didn’t see the incident last night so can’t comment on the specifics but I am surprised at the reaction.
I’ve been involved in motorcycle racing for 60 years, in that time 201 riders have been killed on the Isle of Man, 22 of whom have been friends or very close friends. If I add in other UK & Irish tracks the number probably reaches 30 friends. I’ve seen horrendous & fatal accidents.
15 or 30 minutes later everyone is back racing.
I guess people are going to say it’s a shite comparison but for me it is the measure by which I can’t understand the fuss about this incident.
probably time to give up motorcycling to be fair
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Going road racing and playing a football match are hardly comparible
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Last group game is on the 21st with the last sixteen game on either the 26th or 27th. Could’ve played it on the 23rd or 24th. Would obviously cause some disruption to travel arrangements but st. Petersburg isn’t that far from Copenhagen. 16s are in Amsterdam or 27th in Seville. 30 minutes from Copenhagen to Amsterdam... an hour and a half and a day extra if in Seville.
Probably doable if uefa could’ve been ****ed to make an effort.
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Divine Wright
Last group game is on the 21st with the last sixteen game on either the 26th or 27th. Could’ve played it on the 23rd or 24th. Would obviously cause some disruption to travel arrangements but st. Petersburg isn’t that far from Copenhagen. 16s are in Amsterdam or 27th in Seville. 30 minutes from Copenhagen to Amsterdam... an hour and a half and a day extra if in Seville.
Probably doable if uefa could’ve been ****ed to make an effort.
Do you think that was the reason? They couldn't be bothered?
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
Last group game is on the 21st with the last sixteen game on either the 26th or 27th. Could’ve played it on the 23rd or 24th. Would obviously cause some disruption to travel arrangements but st. Petersburg isn’t that far from Copenhagen. 16s are in Amsterdam or 27th in Seville. 30 minutes from Copenhagen to Amsterdam... an hour and a half and a day extra if in Seville.
Probably doable if uefa could’ve been ****ed to make an effort.
There's no way UEFA would allow the final round of group games to be played separately. Don't think Belgium or Russia would be happy with that. Imagine a similar incident happened during Italy Vs Turkey and it transpired that, in their game in hand, a draw (or another result) would qualify both countries and knock Wales out. We'd be up in arms.
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imagine if Gareth Bale collapsed on the pitch in such traumatic circumstances
Welsh players surrounding him
Then Wales are given two options
Play it later on tonight or tomorrow
I know what the reaction to that would be
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SLUDGE FACTORY
imagine if Gareth Bale collapsed on the pitch in such traumatic circumstances
Welsh players surrounding him
Then Wales are given two options
Play it later on tonight or tomorrow
I know what the reaction to that would be
What would the reaction be?
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lardy
What would the reaction be?
Play it later that night once they know he's pretty muck OK I guess.. like the Danish players did.
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Originally Posted by
Des Parrot
I didn’t see the incident last night so can’t comment on the specifics but I am surprised at the reaction.
I’ve been involved in motorcycle racing for 60 years, in that time 201 riders have been killed on the Isle of Man, 22 of whom have been friends or very close friends. If I add in other UK & Irish tracks the number probably reaches 30 friends. I’ve seen horrendous & fatal accidents.
15 or 30 minutes later everyone is back racing.
I guess people are going to say it’s a shite comparison but for me it is the measure by which I can’t understand the fuss about this incident.
I think today's 'elite' professional footballers are not cut from the same cloth as TT riders. The Danish and Finnish players have been provided with counselling, though having seen a colleague collapse and then receive expert medical treatment and recover consciousness would be a rather uplifting experience in my opinion..
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A Quiet Monkfish
I think today's 'elite' professional footballers are not cut from the same cloth as TT riders. The Danish and Finnish players have been provided with counselling, though having seen a colleague collapse and then receive expert medical treatment and recover consciousness would be a rather uplifting experience in my opinion..
You know he was actually dead on the pitch at one point, don't you?
Of all the things to play the 'footballers today are softies' card on, this one is ridiculous.
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lardy
You know he was actually dead on the pitch at one point, don't you?
Of all the things to play the 'footballers today are softies' card on, this one is ridiculous.
But they are though. Most live in a protective bubble. sheltered from the great unwashed. They can't even manage their own 'twitter' accounts, often employing someone else to post all those 'great performance from the lads' messages for them.
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lardy
What would the reaction be?
The reaction would have been ff sake cut us some slack
The Denmark players were given a loaded gun to play Russian Roulette with
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Originally Posted by
Freitag 4.17
Play it later that night once they know he's pretty muck OK I guess.. like the Danish players did.
witnessing the event clearly had an effect on their performance and the game should have been delayed
Imagine your old man collapsing in front of you
You are supposed to be playing a gig in your local pub
The pub says either get on with the gig in an hour or play tomorrow
😒
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A Quiet Monkfish
But they are though. Most live in a protective bubble. sheltered from the great unwashed. They can't even manage their own 'twitter' accounts, often employing someone else to post all those 'great performance from the lads' messages for them.
I feel like I've stumbled on to the Mailonline by mistake. Do you think they don't know how to operate twitter?
Their social media accounts are used as marketing tools. It's not my kind of thing, following someone like Harry Kane who has exactly that sort of message. I can't imagine enjoying reading the updates. Over 3 million people do follow him, for whatever reason.
But he doesn't have someone to write it because he's pampered and lives in a bubble, it's because they are for 'building the brand' and eventually selling merchandise.
Quite what the link between this and being offered counselling after having had the world watching you watching someone nearly die is, I don't know...
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The reaction would have been ff sake cut us some slack
The Denmark players were given a loaded gun to play Russian Roulette with
Yeah, I'm sure the Danish forums are full of their fans saying the same thing, especially having lost the game.
But they can't just mull it over for a while and then try to squeeze the game in when they can. As said on here, the final group games have to kick off at the same time, for a start. And then, whoever qualifies from this postponed game would have a much shorter recovery time before the knockouts and be at a disadvantage. And organising all the stadium workers/media plus teams and backroom staff in a pandemic and keeping everyone as safe as they can from covid must be a nightmare even with months to prepare, let alone at short notice.
That's the reality.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
witnessing the event clearly had an effect on their performance and the game should have been delayed
Imagine your old man collapsing in front of you
You are supposed to be playing a gig in your local pub
The pub says either get on with the gig in an hour or play tomorrow
It's not on the scale of a gig at the local pub, is it?
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It would be interesting to see whether and of the Danish players, officials or fans have objected to the time scales offered by uefa. As far as I can see, they haven't.